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On July 04 2013 14:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Ok, so here's the deal. I think Wave messed up the timeframes and thought that the pause happened AFTER the whole mass roleclaim discussion. He's making shit up now about not remembering timestamps and being told that he's not allowed to discuss it but check this out: Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. Why would he be "absolutely fucked"? The roleclaim discussion happened AFTER the pause in the game. Which means he must have his role already. SO I ask him when he got his role: Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim? How does this affect you? Good question. I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez. Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less. He's trying to retcon what he said right here. He starts talking about timestamps and says oh he was probably wrong. How could he have been wrong? Did he somehow imagine the feeling of being "absolutely fucked" when people were talking about roleclaims? WoS is absolutely scum. No doubt about it.
how does this make him scum other than survivor????
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On July 04 2013 16:12 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 14:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 04 2013 13:52 mkfuba07 wrote:On July 04 2013 13:39 Oatsmaster wrote:And again, as I explained above, I play every game as a survivor that only wins if town wins. Survivor isn't all that much harder for me than town. I just had an extra power that I didn't end up using and would show up as german to cop checks.
Yeah bullshit man. Dr Who? Also, why are you not happy that WoS outed himself? How is it bullshit? And what would make me happy about it, other than being confirmed if he flips first? It's not like town needs to win for me to win the game, I need to live. His fakeclaim has pretty much reduced my chances of winning by 50%. Because Ive never seen you play survivorish as town. You are happy because he is fakeclaiming and YOU KNOW IT. YOU KNOW IT. but it doesnt seem like you have justice on your side, not like WoS posting. I don't even know what that means. You don't even have another survivor game to compare this one to. And yeah, I KNOW IT. You know who doesn't know it? Everyone else in the game. As it turns out, that's who matters. Fact remains, the thing that made me KNOW IT is the reason I'm up for lynch today. It's the reason I might lose the game, so why would that make me happy?
I dont know man, why dont you try and convince us that WoS is scum?
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oh no.
Marv is aware of his meta.
Anyway, what do you think about JJD marv?
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So how does this speculation help us?
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k cool.
Why dont you want to speculate about the other scum members?
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On July 04 2013 20:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
k cool.
Why dont you want to speculate about the other scum members? Because there's one important thing to do today, and that thing isn't name the entire scumteam. I flicked through your filter and didn't see you doing so either. What gives, El Hypocritico? ^_^
Im lazy, you arent.
Isnt the important thing to lynch Fuba? Cant you do other stuff on the side?
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On July 04 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Last time you used this kinda hypocritical defence about your laziness in a game with me you were mafia (Ego). Not interested in conversing with you if you're going to behave like this. Well, I am interested in a make-me-doubt-you're-town sort of way.
Still musing on this fakeclaim business.
Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg.
how is it hypocritical?
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so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles?
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On July 04 2013 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
Like there are 12 townie roles, and 12 total players in the game. I think iGrok would have foreseen that if mafia have no idea what to claim at any point, then a massclaim looks really really tough on mafia. Also, look at... the Active Games thread? iGrok was contemplating using this as an open setup, but decided against this.
What does an open setup mean? It means that mafia (and town alike) would know what roles existed. So in this game as we have it, I think that mafia knew what roles existed in the game, and were thus given a safe, fakeclaim each, and the Survivor got one too, to make 12=12.
I'm aware this is speculation, but this is what makes the most sense to me.
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because counter claiming vig when YOU ARENT is bad.
Its really bad.
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honestly, I would be way more inclined to believe the survivor claim than the vig claim.
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so lets kill JJD tmr then 
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JJD I JUST QUOTED IT ON THIS PAGE.
wtf dude.
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On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:
Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?
Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN.
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Either spill the beans or shut up WoS.
Its annoying.
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Ok. JJD, why does it make a difference who igrok gives the fakeclaim to?
Neither of them can confirm it.
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Yes its you marv, mostly because if WoS couldve disclosed ANYTHING else, he wouldve done it.
JJD. In a game where the survivor has a proc. If he claims, he is really really likely to get shot in the event of a game where scum arent losing. So when WoS has to claim, he loses.
Anyway, I dont think it matters that much that scum knows which blues town has. So if I were hosting, I wouldve probably given mafia fakeclaims that were definitely true so town cant break the game. And igrok has hosted longer than me.
SO THEREFORE, we should stop predicting host's actions and play the fucking game without thinking of the likelyhood of fakeclaims and no fakeclaims and JUST, in terms of which claim, Fuba's or WoS' is more believable. WoS for me by far. Fuba gives no shits that WoS' claimed his role.
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Lying isnt against the rules.
Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.
JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?
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On July 05 2013 00:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lying isnt against the rules.
Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.
JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?
Lying isn't the same as lying about what hosts told you. In my opinion at least.
It works once and everyone feels like you are a dick if you win with it.
But mafia doesnt think about stuff like that.
hmm next mafia game, lie about what the host gave me. good idea.
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What?
No I dont.
Which is why he felt fucked.
:>????
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