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/obs for now.... | ||
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FUCK IT. /in | ||
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On July 05 2013 01:56 marvellosity wrote: I think you're taking me a little too seriously. Dick move, marv. | ||
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I'm already gonna have like 5 people in this game gunning for me right off the bat, you gotta contribute to this delinquency? | ||
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On July 05 2013 03:02 geript wrote: What up love tunnel? I bought you this ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7DdQNm3.jpg) You can only drink it if you promise not to nuke me for being scum. Can we start forming post-apocalyptic factions pregame? Me and you can nuke all the LoL players that are out to get me, k? | ||
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When I get home in a month or so I promise to play with everybody all the time. | ||
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VayneAuthority was just temp banned for 2 days by Falling. That account was created on 2012-10-18 05:37:07 and had 1174 posts. Reason: Ok at this point, I don't know if you are being daft or stubborn. But you have wrecking up this thread, so out with you for a bit. Artanis don't start for 2 days, k?  | ||
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Someone /in, quick! | ||
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GERIPT I JUST REALIZED WHAT WE GOTTA DO. We gotta RNG dat nuke. | ||
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Who do I have to nuke again? Oh yeah. ##Nuke: VayneAuthority | ||
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When have I EVER been useless? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Even though I was scum last game I still felt bad for the town because of how useless you were. Let's not repeat that again. I was an extremely busy talking head, what can I say? I dunno that was my first ever big themed game man; I wanted to have some fun. There are plenty of other people I've played with in here and I'd like to think they don't think I'm useless when I play fo realz. PS I plan on playing fo realz. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:11 geript wrote: Actually, you and I have been quite useless quite often. LX, LXI, The Game... But I'm really only terribly useless as scum. So what's your excuse this game? HAY I've gotten better since those games! And I was not useless at all in LXI. Neither were you for that matter (but let's not get into THAT horseshit again). | ||
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I'll be back around my usual time. | ||
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Gumshoe town Not sure on everyone else yet Be back again sooooooooooooooooooooon | ||
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Chez scum---if vyou wash all the brown off its red underneath I vote when not phonepsoting | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote: Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play. If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum. Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be. Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? | ||
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Also don't tell anyone, but my nuke was fake. Vayne isn't actually going to die. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat. | ||
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WOO WOOOOOOO!!! ##Vote: johnnywup | ||
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Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. | ||
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On July 07 2013 21:36 geript wrote: Meh, I went back and read through LXI and PYP. I'm not all ready to be lovey dovey with Rayn, but I'm ok with him for now. Not really. Seems more likely to be town by how fast he picked up some votes especially for pretty weak reasoning. I'm going to go with "too stupid to be scum." I mean, I'd love to have him be scum instead of my wubbybumpkin WoS, but I like WoS as scum far far more. Of course you do, luv muffin. | ||
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Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum. On July 07 2013 10:42 johnnywup wrote: I now remember why I stopped playing mafia, lol. Sorry if I look like scum, I haven't played in a looong time and even then I was terrible and always looked scummy as town. Why wait until two others voted me to vote me? You already thought I was scum. I really do think vayne is scummy atm though. Nothing productive at all. (say what you want about me but you can't deny that vayne hasn't done shit). Look through his filter. I don't know if he's just lazy/bad town or purposefully doing nothing but not liking him :\ WoS is also not looking very good for me atm but I can't really put a finger to why. His sarcasm is questionable for me and obviously I don't like him voting for me (don't like anyone voting for me though, obviously). The only constructive post he has is the one that targets me, which is good, but for the rest of his filter he's sarcastic, talking about other games, etc. I don't know. There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. On July 07 2013 07:20 geript wrote: WoS I don't have a real read on yet. But I'm not happy with how he didn't make a response to my luv tunnel comment. He normally would joke back at that. Rayn is not acting all towny rayn and acting far more like Hydra 2 just getting in the way. This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript. | ||
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He whoopsed to many times imo. | ||
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K. Anyway let me comment on some other stuff. Dandel is much lurkier as scum than town so mabes keep an eye on him. He tends not to give a shit about anything at all which is certainly evident thus far. As far as another lurker lynch I don't like it. There are WAAAYYY too many people who fit that description at this time and while I'd agree that there must be scum amongst them right now, it's basically a crapshoot and I don't know what our odds look like. Who is who thought Onegu might be scum? From watching his newbie games I'm pretty sure I could pick him out so let me have a look. | ||
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On July 08 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: This part of Johnny's post mirrors my thoughts on the people voting for him like 100%. Only thing i disagree to some extent is that WoS is the scummiest of those people. Rayn you really believe that half the scumteam jumped on the Whoops Wagon this early when half the thread is lurking and it's just as easy for them to hide? You say Johnny is town, why? Just because his post mirrors your thoughts? | ||
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As for Onegu: I have a little something pre-written up on him but I'm going to sit on it a bit. Onegu, do you have any nukes? If you had one (or do have one) who would you nuke right now and why? | ||
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I'll look over Chez again and your post but if you'd recall I already commented on how this play is extremely similar to his scumplay in LX; it's probably a little too early to tell though. As far as Maju, why the fuck would I vote him if I said I didn't advocate a lurker lynch? At least Johnny had some actual content to look at. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:36 Onegu wrote: No I dont have a nuke, if I did I wouldnt launch day 1 though, but if I was forced to I would kill chez, as he refused to answer any relevant questions and I think he is either maf or 3p. What if he is mafia or 3p with a 'buff' ability like you said? Would you be worried about that? What kind of nukes do you think are possible in a game like this and what kind of other abilities? | ||
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Since people seemed to advocate not freaking out trying to save Xat, what do you think people should do regarding yoiu? | ||
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What is scummy about Johnny's post aside from what I've mentioned? Rayn seems to think it's pretty towny and it echoes his thoughts. Also I super disagree with you regarding gumshoe. | ||
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Maybe Geript and Rayn as well? | ||
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I have way more townreads than I do scumreads atm (which on one hand sucks yet on the other makes sense considering the ratio). I could get behind a Dandel lynch today....MAYBE Chez. Ace I saw you commenting on how it's bad to talk about whether a player has a nuke or not: I was trying to lead Onegu into setup discussion to see if he would take the bait and go on with it. As you know in the recent newbie game you yourself instructed scum to stop the Nosy Neighbour talk after it had died down because they didn't want to be the only ones left cluttering up the thread. I wanted to see if he'd take it and run with it; he did not and as such i believe he has either taken your advice to heart as scum or is more likely town this game. I will see how he continues to play but for now I would not lynch Onegu. To comment on Geript's tunnel of me----that's just what he do. He does it literally every game we've ever been in together, regardless of either of our alignments (I've always been town). I firmly believe him to be town this particular game so it hasn't really bothered me a great deal thus far, and whereas most games he tunnels me to the exclusion of all others, in this game he hasn't so it hasn't been counterproductive to scumhunting. | ||
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The fact that he brought up the stupid Venn diagram makes me want to say BH but it would be too simple. He says he has a knowledge of my scumgame so someone in Les Mafia for sure. I'm thinking DP/iamp/BH/Prom. Either way I want to see more from him because I'd like a better read. You and I appear to have similar thinking this game so I'd like to see if he really IS a good lynch today. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:10 VayneAuthority wrote: nope I'm good with the lynch I just see a lot of people getting cold feet on it so I gave some alternatives I'd agree with so my vote isn't wasted. I don't tend to write long posts/cases until the game is much more developed so I am not going to be something I am not, sorry. There's nothing to elaborate on Caucasian, his filter is 2 posts. The thing is his 2 posts were both pretty large scum traits in my opinion so I am fine with lynching him already. What about them specifically? I don't see how you think it's enough to elaborate that you think it's not just a lurker lynch and then provide no reasoning. | ||
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I've drunk posted before....I actually forget which game it was. Was it Les? | ||
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So did BH. Why is Caucasian's drunkpost different? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: When you played your first (town) game with chez you knew or found out right away what kind of player he was, and didn't waste your time on him. I was the same way. Any town player who sees someone acting so clearly insane and anti-town tries to look for an explanation, besides just "he is scum" because as a town player you don't trust anything or anyone. You don't trust the obvious. You see someone acting like Chez and you don't think "ah, this veteran is obvious scum" because that's not how you think. No, you see him acting that way and you ask "why", and not just rhetorically. You ask the thread. You find out he's insane. And you act on it. That's not what Onegu has done here. This is a reference to LX in which Geript was town, I was town, and Chez was scum (and dayvigged someone much in the same way he nuked here. He put more effort into trying to appear like a town dayvig though in that game but it's still eerily similar). This means it's either Prom or BH who of my above list were in both of those games. I'd lean towards Prom as Prom relies heavily on meta which is how he analyzed me (I would argue somewhat incorrectly) thus far. If it's Prom (or hell, any 'veteran') they would know better than to think Onegu would have a good idea of how to regard to Chezinu at this stage in their mafia careers, as Chez is one of the most enigmatic players out there. I was told to ignore grush in that very same game and yet I didn't ALL game, and have seen other newbies do the same. Why does he expect a newbie like Onegu to ignore Chez's scummy actions?? | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:23 Ace wrote: I dont think it really matters if NG is a smurf anyway. Could be someone who has lurked and read a lot of games like Alakaslam. Compare how NG writes to Alakaslam. NG has initmate knowledge of playstyles and games, Alakaslam (no offense) reads the games and tries to look like a vet by trying to get in on in-jokes and name-dropping. No comparison. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:21 VayneAuthority wrote: Because it wasn't just one post. BH and you came in and rambled to shit which is a lot different then being able to control yourself to only making 1 post and to explicitly say you are drunk and useless. do you see the difference there? I do. Interesting point. I don't think that was the game where I drunkposted btw though, because I know exactly the time I got drunk last and Les hadn't started then; your point still stands however. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:34 johnnywup wrote: Whether or not he's a smurf is irrelevant. Focus on actions, not meta. Don't try to figure out who it is because that's a waste of effort that could be used to hunt scum. Then ignore the point I'm making about who he is specifically. It is obvious he is a smurf of some mafia veteran, or at least veteran enough to know of the games Geript and I have played in. I would think someone like him would know better than to expect that level of analysis (or the ability to 'ignore' the blatancy of Chez's scummy-seeming crazniess) from Onegu. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:59 Ace wrote: Ok let me try break this down from your pov: NG has intimate knowledge of people's playstyles. More than just reading games but actually playing with us - he's a legit smurf. He expected Onegu to be able to read Chez as a troll. When Onegu fails to do so NG votes him. NG also gives an explanation as to why he thinks Onegu's thinking isn't town motivated based on geript's play in another game. This is where you think he is a smurf account. Right now is this the way it went? Are you about to drop some sort of Ace bomb on me? | ||
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Who scum? | ||
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So he just ninja voted ZBoson. Chez put way more effort into his game as scum in LX. I understand your reasoning for pushing Chez atm, but I can't help but get that kush feeling out of it----it essentially amounts to a policy lynch because we may get no information at all out of Chez, and it's entirely possible he flips town. I would call it one of those 'why are you pushing lynchbait' kind of things but it's not even like Chez IS lynchbait...he's on a whole other level. You probably know him a lot better than I do. Is there a chance that there is some convoluted town motivation for what he is doing right now or could he be trolling us as town? If this really WILL be amounting to a policy lynch and no one knows or can expect more from him this game then it may make sense whether or not he is actually scum, though I don't know if I'd want to lynch him if we have strong scumreads today. | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote: The thing is, I'm already dead. Right when I got my role, I knew I was dead. Then why would you need to do something about a nuke heading towards you if you were already did when you got your role? | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well chez appears to be dead so all you chez haters can now hop off the train and talk about Dandel with me. There's not much to say about Dandel right now. He lurks as scum and is disruptive. He could very well be scum, but again, what kind of lynch do we want today? At least we do seem to be getting more out of Chez atm. | ||
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Stutters Abenson FirmTofu List of [s]people[s/] lurkers who barely posted, showed up and have unanswered questions from me: SnB List of why the fuck are you playing this game: Ghost403 Dandel Ion That is all. | ||
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Abenson. Loving the ninja Chez vote. Good thing you're reading the thread. On that note, Ace, you were the one pushing Chez, what do you think if the info that was (sort of) revealed? | ||
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On July 08 2013 12:31 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut. Abenson. Loving the ninja Chez vote. Good thing you're reading the thread. On that note, Ace, you were the one pushing Chez, what do you think if the info that was (sort of) revealed? Oh missed the Abenson post on the bottom of that page. The question to Ace applies though. | ||
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Geript totes scum | ||
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If someone else could be shot or saved....who would you want it to be? :D :D :D | ||
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Is there more than one person you'd want dead today? Is there someone currently being nuked that can be saved? | ||
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I want to make sure this is something we can all agree on somewhat. | ||
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Today or ever. Come on where are the rest of you guys? I REALLY wanna YOLO this and I'm pretty tempted but I at least want to see if SOME people approve. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:23 TanGeng wrote: But Wave, you can't fire any more nukes until deadline. As for NG, it just reeks of elitism rather than say scummy. The guy is a smurf, right? Is this whole post directed towards me? | ||
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I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: While I appreciate the thought it may be better to save your power until later in the game. Although now that you've claimed you'll probably get killed tonight anyway -_- I doubt it. :D | ||
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DONE DEAL LADIES. | ||
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HE gon' DIEEE | ||
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As a starting point. If consolidation is necessary I'll move around as needed. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damn WoS, i just came up with a better idea. You should have sent the nuke back to Chezinu. Maybe that would make him talk. The nuke on Xalatos was already blown up by Oats. That was Chez's. | ||
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Let's move on Ace. We're not no lynching today, so who are you voting for? You want a lurker to die? Vote Dandel with me. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:15 Ace wrote: I'm thinking a town motivated WoS would nuke someone that is refusing to post. Hitting NG was the popular move based on thread sentiment that was just bs. Except that I mentioned earlier that I'd rather not lurker lynch today since the pool was so large and I didn't know what my odds were. Why u flingin' shit, Ace? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:19 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: I think his choice to fling shit at you is entirely justified. Especially since I at least somewhat fall into the lurker category with my small number of posts and low amount of content (at least at the time you shot me). You shot me (and you wrote this down, too) because thread sentiment had turned against me. That's not how a real vigi plays. Guess I'm not a real vigi and am a very bad player. What are you gonna do about it? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:20 Ace wrote: Wos just to clarify: your policy is not to lynch lurkers, but to nuke them instead? There's a difference in my mind between scummy lurking and I-can't-read-you-for-shit lurking. NG was one of the former so I felt justified. Dandel in my opinion is also one of the former as I know Dandel tends not to give a shit in his scum games. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:24 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: If I'm scum, nothing-- you have nothing to fear when I flip, and you will gain nothing but town cred. But I think we both know what's happening here. I'm gonna flip town, and you're pre-preemptively trying to squirm out of responsibility for my death. "Oh, rayn's on board, okay" and "I guess I'm bad" and so on. Very cute. I have nothing to fear anyway. In fact, please continue this so I don't get shot at night and can survive to attempt to help the town more positively in the future (if you're town). I'm very good at surviving, you see. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:32 strongandbig wrote: looks like i missed some nuke defenses (on pretty good targets) and some more nukes and the worst roleclaim ever from engie (dont kill me im the doctor guise) so im pretty okay with where the nukes are heading, i guess Can you respond to this please? On July 08 2013 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote: SnB those are some bold words especially considering I was a main advocate for Johnny and only recently took my vote off him due to the sheer anger he seems to be displaying towards me for pushing him (which doesn't appear faked). What is scummy about Johnny's post aside from what I've mentioned? Rayn seems to think it's pretty towny and it echoes his thoughts. Also I super disagree with you regarding gumshoe. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that? Ace seems to have the idea that there are a lot of fake nukes flying around. He thinks Chez's nuke that Oats shot down is fake, and he wants us to 'back up' one of the nukes with votes so we can have 2 daytime KP or something. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote: yeah sure jonnywups post: (1) lists every lurker in the game. no good reason to do that, its a waste of effort for town cause everyone can look for themselves whether a player has posted. literally no one will give a single shit about that list. however, its a convenient way for scum to pad out the post. (2) excessive focus only on people who voted him rather than looking for reads and pursuing them throughout the game. indicates a "get people off of me" mentality rather than a "find who's scum" mentality. (3) votes for wos, doesn't actually explain any reasons why he's scum except "look at before" despite talking about other players. (4) his reasons for omgussing people voting him are all pretty bad; there's nothing about tanggang or abenson explaining why they have a scum mentality or whatever. goes wiht the "get people to stop voting me" rather than "find who's scum" mentality thing. why did people say this was a townie looking post? I personally didn't think that post seemed very townie at all. It was a later response of his that made me change my mind. It was Rayn who found it townie and as I recall his reasoning was that it 'echoes his thoughts.' I'm still pretty sure Johnny is town at this point despite the early scumminess. SnB who (else) is scum? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:43 Xatalos wrote: Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched. That seems pretty unlikely to me really. Ace appears to believe what he's saying; what I don't really get is why he felt so strongly about it. | ||
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Who has played with Boson before/ Boson why do you tend not to contribute to conversations taking place and help us out with those and instead follow your own trains of thought and lines of questioning all game? Can you not do both? | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:44 geript wrote: You're still being useless. Doesn't this look like a mislynch? See...I thought you were town but now your incessant weak blathering about how you 'still think I'm scum' reminds me of The Game where you were shouting it at people all game and no one listened to you. Do you not believe my claim and my recent actions? Do you have any particular reasons for thinking I'm scum? You conveniently left your vote on me all day despite other people actually formulation opinions and reasons on me and having those change an adapt and yet there you sit, with the same basic opinion you formed in the first 2 hours. Why are you shouting about mislynches now when there has been no flip? Do you know something we don't, luv muffin? Have you seen Dandel's town games? I have. This doesn't look like it. At the absolute worst we're getting rid of someone who gives zero shits about the game (who usually acts this way as scum btw) and that's alright in my books. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:53 geript wrote: CA isn't just a lurker, he's a scummy lurker. read his filster. I agree with this, but I can't see thread opinion changing at this point in time. Especially since CA at least seems to show he MIGHT come back and attempt to contribute positively. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:53 geript wrote: Look WoS this is a policy lynch vote. Nothing else. Policy lynch votes tend to have a high mislynch probability. Even worst, how all the votes formed on him pretty quickly makes it look strongly like a mislynch. As for why I haven't shifted my opinions on you, it's because you haven't 'gotten srs' and still look scummy. What in your opinion constitutes getting 'srs?' It's not even that you still find me scummy for whatever inane reasons you may still have, but it's the fact that you feel you need to remind the thread every other post you make. Tell me that's not how you played scum in The Game, I dare you. | ||
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If you believe CA is scum, then start doing your job and convincing the thread of that. | ||
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I could see him just being newbie town atm. Staying on DI. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town. Looks like you are lynching scum atm right? Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this? There are 27 players in this game. It could be all town on this wagon and you wouldn't even know either way. How do you know DI is town, Rayn? | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:24 Dandel Ion wrote: sup Am I getting lynched yet? lol DI. What's up? | ||
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NOW I think it might be time to lynch Chez. | ||
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Why can't you be a normal person. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:49 VayneAuthority wrote: your job is to convince others I am scum, why do you want me to respond 0o I read it and it's all fine and dandy but you just don't know my playstyle. It's fine. I don't think anyone knows your playstyle. That's why you get lynched every game as town. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:52 VayneAuthority wrote: I've been lynched once ever and that was because everyone sheeped marv for no reason when most of the thread even had townreads on me. I wasn't even there to defend myself so I have basically never been mislynched. I don't see how that is every game LOL Oh I forgot you weren't lynched in I Swear. | ||
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Dandel didn't do anything to show me that I should move my vote | ||
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Retarded suspicion is retarded. Anyway sorry for the shit redirect I guess. Already explained myself so I don't really have anything else to say on the matter. I still think DI is scum and I still want him dead. Anybody conveniently feel like calling me scum for that too? | ||
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Honestly my main thoughts regarding the redirect wasn't so much to kill NG as it was to save MZ. His contribution definitely fell off as the day went on though so in return for saving his life I would hope that his second chance would make him help out a little more. | ||
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On July 09 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: WaveofShadow: Answer me this. I launched a nuke on Meapak. You were scummy as hell, came back in thread and implied you have a desire to use your power. Then you redirected the nuke from Meapak to NG. Now if you and Meapak are both scum and i am town, how does this not make sense from my point of view to call you both mafia? I wasn't scummy as hell. If we were both scum do you REALLY think that 2 scum would give themselves away in this manner? Really? This is the second time I've had to say so in this game, but Rayn, you're better than this. Make it a third time and I might be forced to think you're coming up with terrible shit on purpose. | ||
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Why in all that's holy would you have nuked MZ? | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not like i could have done anything about that after i launched it.. Why did you launch it in the first place? | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn what?????? Doesnt make sense to claim the nuke as scum though. No it doesn't. I don't think it makes Rayn scum I'm just trying to wrap my mind around his thought process. | ||
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On July 09 2013 09:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Work with me on this one guys: Chez nukes here Nuke is announced here Rayn starts calling for Chez to be nuked here I call him out here Rayn says and I quote "I don't have a nuke, someone nuke chezinu" here Mystery nuke is launched here what the fuck Uh...hm. Maybe Rayn IS scum. | ||
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On July 09 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Also DI doesnt play lurky as scum so its not alignment indicative that hes been gone. Uh, wat? Les Mafia he certainly did. | ||
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DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 05-19-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) or, you know, keep getting lynched 's cool I have no motivation for playing scum either. | ||
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DandelionPerson was signed in when posted 05-17-2013 06:37 PM ET (US) it's consistent, vayne really has no idea how to play. but it got him townreads, so that's cool. Again, what I always tell my mafia teams: If you want towncred bus me. I will get lynched. It's inevitible. If you want I'll bus you back, that's optional. | ||
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On July 09 2013 11:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok I reread the ON lynch and didnt really see anyone pushing Dandel otherwise. Like it was just convincng people to vote for ON and not convincing people to NOT vote for dandel. Ace, what do you mean by legit? On July 09 2013 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I also think its hialrious that so many people are so sure DI wagon is a mislynch yet clearly a wagon that pops up with 2h to go that everybody jumps on isn't. Lol. I wasn't around when the ON lynch popped up but I was not on board for it and still would have pushed for Dandel. Take that as you will. | ||
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Do you people seriously believe DI is town after this? Also I'm scared because Ace and I are agreeing on stuff right now. Xatalos I'm surprised you're so quick to believe Rayn is making crazy town plays right now. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. | ||
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I DO think DI is scum and needs to be destroyed, however. | ||
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If you actually pulled this move and you are town I gotta give you some credit. That's some sneaky shit and I have a great deal of respect for this if you're making a play. Most people prefer to play straight and I haven't seen a fake play like this since my first game on the site. Some of your conclusions are pretty solid. I'd vote Maju and I want to take a good look an Austin now especially since he was the main proponent of the ON lych which everyone seems to for some reason) agree was completely town-motivated. Since I believe DI to be scum I don't think that's the case. I'm not sure about jampi because he's a newbie, and it's possible he simply may not have thought about silent nuke not firing when you say it out loud. That being said I remember noticing him talking about that and thinking wtf. I will keep my eye on him. Biggest problem I find is Ace. A lot of the points he has brought up regarding you strike true with me. I am certainly not convinced he is scum and I believe it is more likely that you are scum than he is, though I also believe it is very possible you are both town. I'd like to see what he makes of your 'big play' and his reaction to it. I won't be doing any major posting till my usual time later, probably after lynch but I will try to get a list of my reads before deadline just in case I'm shot (doubt it). | ||
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On July 10 2013 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: To all you idiots who didn't want to lynch dandel yesterday. Look at what he's done since and justify your decision. This. Anyone who knows DI at all and how he plays, INCLUDING THE SHIT FROM THE SCUM QT I LINKED, should have absolutely ZERO reason to think DI is town at this point. ZERO. | ||
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Phoneposting atm so scum don't kill me I can't give a concise list of reads and why atm If I die look into geript, lynch the shit out of DI and probs maju. | ||
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Either superdive Geript and find out if he's scum or town once and for all, or completely ignore him. Anyway, we lynch DI up until the point he's modkilled or some shit. Will have the chance to do some more reading in a bit to find out who our next target should be. Something strikes me as off with Xatalos---it may have been the way he was super insane-o quick to believe Rayn without doubting anything he said but I want to be sure before laying down any suspicion. It's probably fairly prudent to mention that it's entirely possible that the NKs were submitted on the basis of this being an extremely lurky scumteam. I think someone else mentioned 'everyone talking now is likely town' (though I forget when it was said offhand) and I remember it resonating with my thoughts. | ||
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Sorry guys my activity will suffer until later. XigXag needs to die and somebody needs to redirect or blow up that nuke. Vayne I agree with you about Maju but I want Xig dead first (sorry buddy, you replaced really obvious scum, no hard feelings). | ||
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On July 11 2013 09:49 geript wrote: @WoS... You going to start playing an anal-izing any time soon luv tunnel? Sorry dudeguy. Catching up in the few seconds I get but my guy is sick and won't sleep tonight. I doubt I'll get to stuff until tomorrow. Until then I stick with what I've got. ##Vote: Xigxag | ||
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I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town. Oats you too. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:15 geript wrote: @WoS you can sheep me b/c I'm voting Maju. You know I'm town. And I know you're town because you wouldn't lie about your kid being sick and you wouldn't use your kid being sick as an excuse for lurking (imo) unless you were town. Ah, the perfect example to bring up marv's patented 'dick move analysis.' (Anyone from Basterd should get this) To be completely honest I don't think I've ever lied about RL stuff in a game of mafia just to lurk but that's beside the point. Geript I'm NOT sure you're town as I stated much earlier in the thread and now considering your massive inactivity period as well. I will vote Maju though because I remember wanting him dead earlier and his actions haven't shown him to be doing anything other than trying to survive. On July 12 2013 01:19 Ace wrote: right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it. To be fair, didn't you guys accuse me of the same thing when I redirected the MZ nuke? ##Vote: Maju | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:52 FirmTofu wrote: Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you are 1 shot and he is 2 shot, he is likely scum. If you are both 2 shot, we can't really tell one way or another. I don't see how that's true in the slightest. | ||
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The people on the DI lynch are far from clear. Vayne should know this, but a scum Dandel ACTIVELY encourages people to bus him. I can link proof from Les scum QT if you wish. | ||
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On July 12 2013 08:01 FirmTofu wrote: I think the best bet for scum bussing Dandel is SnB. What do you think? I think I have a lot of reading to do, and I don't know when I'm going to get to do it. | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:19 Stutters695 wrote: Going to get to play today finally but Sent that's terrible reasoning. My scum game had significantly more posting than this and Vayne was the only person who even had a scum read on me. If you want to shoot me because I'm lurking I'll live with that but I have no reason to change my scum play when no one could tell it was my scum play to begin with. You'd be shooting on a complete gamble you'd lose. Wrong. I did too but I was 3P so I didn't really give a shit. | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:58 Stutters695 wrote: You also said part of it was BH putting me as scum coach for the newbie so I don't count that :p That was only later. I pushed you completely legitimately on D1 before I disappeared. | ||
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On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote: A few things to note: 1. Maju should be lynched not nuked -- this prevents anyone from defending him and a necessary late vote scramble. 2. Why Ace didn't launch that shit immediately after the night post is beyond me. He could be lying about a nuke, he could be scum, anything is possible 3. I think Rayn was right on track. This would be like the second time he's nailed a bunch of scum early. 4. I'll post more tonight but will have limited access later this weekend. 5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion. I have a few things to note, too. Before deadline though. | ||
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On July 13 2013 04:00 FirmTofu wrote: No, town did that because the Dandel wagon had too many inconsistencies. I still think that anyone who switched from Dandel to ON comes off the worst from this. There was very little reason to do that unless you were apathetic about the lynch. If my theory is correct, a good many people on the Dandel wagon are scum and a few people that hammered ON are possible scum. LOL. What inconsistensies? I showed proof of Dandel himself describing his scumgame exactly as he played it this game. There were ZERO inconsistensies. People are easily swayed by bullshit, that's all. Could have been town or scum bullshit for all I know. I would agree that there were likely scum on both wagons though. | ||
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I had to shut up for a while because I have a whole bunch of stuff I'd like to do/say. I figured since pretty much everyone has me as a townread right now if I drew any attention to myself I'd be shot. Assuming my guy ACTUALLY decides to sleep for once, expect a LOT more from me in the next few days. That is a promise. QUIVER IN FEAR, SCUM. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:07 VayneAuthority wrote: If anyone town actually has a nuke they should just nuke maju right now. We don't need to waste a whole day on just lynching him. This. | ||
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Find out right now whether Maju is scum or not. I'm not a huge fan of pre-flip associations but look: Geript likely has the same role as Oats. Oats has used his anti-nuke in a protown manner to protect people. Geript seemingly does the same. Oh wait, he didn't use his on D1 when he could have protected either Xatalos or MZ. MZ who he has a townread on. Fast forward to the last few actions. Uses his anti-nuke to protect jampi, who is town. Alright, makes sense. But now let's think for a minute about the repercussions of his actions? We were forced to actually LYNCH jampi and waste a (likely) town nuke for no reason. Now look at what he proposed today? On July 13 2013 01:59 geript wrote: A few things to note: 1. Maju should be lynched not nuked -- this prevents anyone from defending him and a necessary late vote scramble. 2. Why Ace didn't launch that shit immediately after the night post is beyond me. He could be lying about a nuke, he could be scum, anything is possible 3. I think Rayn was right on track. This would be like the second time he's nailed a bunch of scum early. 4. I'll post more tonight but will have limited access later this weekend. 5. The people who are calling me scum are hilarious. Koshi specifically looks worse for this because they're finding superficial reasons to think me scum and not following the points to their conclusion. He wants to use up the town lynch again---it is MUCH easier for scum to act when they know that town has already picked their target for the day and especially if they have an anti-nuke at their disposal. This technically works if MG is town OR scum because Geript's agenda is simply to waste town lynches. If MG is town he simply could have let him die yesterday, true. But by protecting jampi he sets us back a kill AND gets towncred in the process. And then in the end what does he do regarding yesterday's lynch? HE STILL FUCKING VOTES JAMPI. If MG is scum? Geript may be able to talk his way out of it when MG flips (though he certainly can't get away with protecting him today after what he said about lynching MG). That is why we absolutely MUST nuke MG today and LYNCH Geript. Look back through his posting and look at how much random shitflinging and fingerpointing he does without following up. Shit tons of questions directed at random people, no conclusions. Lynch this guy with cleansing FIRE. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:08 Ace wrote: noted Wos. If you think geript is scum with maju, chances of austin being there too? read his last post. also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point. This is a tough call because it essentially means that austin and geript will be playing the exact same scumgame. Generally when DI isn't active in thread he is still posting in scum QT so the question is how hard did he try to convince his scumteam to bus him, if at all? I'm not sure how much sense it truly makes for austin to hardcore go for the mislynch when he could just as easily have taken the bus all the way to the bank. Geript's waffling on the ON/DI lynch looks much worse than what austin did imo. I'm not clearing austin here, I just think Geript's actions are scummier, and I find it somehow pretty unlikely that they'd both hardcore push a mislynch wagon to save a scummer who would essentially end up dying pretty soon anyway. | ||
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Do you think he is town? I'm honestly unsure how there seem to be so many supporters of Geript's actions yet then set out to accomplish the same thing that would have occurred had Geript not done anything. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:35 geript wrote: Idk why everyone wants to nuke Maju instead of lynch him. We 100% know that there are multiples of multiple roles. A nuke could be redirected in the last minute which would be devastating. A highly suspected scummier could defend him last minute. He could somehow be immune to the nuke. The best action would be to lynch him and fire nukes elsewhere. Hell if you think that I'm scum with Maju, wouldn't I just shoot it down last second? Take the sure route and lynch him. @WoS. You've seen me be scum here a decent amount. Remember how good of scum I've been? In the game I was hella carried by bugs, BH, and Kita. Every other time I've been scummy as fuck and narrowly avoided lynches because town derped. Have I realistically gotten that much better overnight? Rayn trusted me. Catalogs trusted me. I really don't get what your beef is. Geript. When did you drop your scumread on me? | ||
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So you've essentially called me scum all game, never wavering from it, and because of one post I make you immediately flip that around? | ||
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Why didn't you make a case on me? You limply left your vote on me until nearly the end of D1 for basically zero reason and then you jumped on board the ON fail-wagon. I seem to remember you in one of our earlier games (I can't remember which it was, I looked) saying something about how you never pushed a read all game as scum. It's funny because this reminds me of that play. The endless early tunnel also reminds me of your scumplay in The Game, as I mentioned earlier. Have you gotten better overnight? No, you've gotten better over the course of quite a few scumgames that you've had. Let's assume you ARE town right now, however. Let's also assume MG is being nuked and he is not on the table. Who is your scumread? | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:29 geript wrote: I was pushing you before that. I never ended up casing you up because each time I tried there were people who I found to be more scummy and you had a mixed filter. Besides, on top of dick move analysis you just did patented WoS conspiracy theory so I really couldn't careless. Give me a second to read filters and update reads. I've been thinking about the kills last night and no one has talked about FT being NK'd which seems odd to me as this is his second? game afaik. I want to lynch MG instead of being nuked... besides him I need to look at austin, ace and a few others. At least one of Onegu/Alakaslam is scum. Maybe both. I'll explain more later. If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you. Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense. Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.' | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote: something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues. ##nuke MajuGarzett No no. Let's hear it anyway. | ||
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On July 14 2013 12:02 geript wrote: @Whoops, ace wasn't killed because he's either scum or they knew the nuke was fake. I'm leaning the latter which makes Stutters scum. Plus, as town "Toy factory" during D1 after the radiation nuke reveal stuff (after Xat's claim) he would be at 0 cost to claim and confirm. Instead he's convinced DI was scum for no reasoning and continues to be more worthless than a pine cone after you take a shit. I'm especially interested in this comment as well now. | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:20 Ace wrote: I was asking earlier about how could Stutters getting sabotaged equal my nuke being sabotaged as well. I got the PM that I had a nuke, so that shouldn't be affected by whatever supposedly happened to him. It didn't make sense. So I went back to see how things got screwed up. Hosts invalidated my action because I spelled MajuGarzett's name wrong in the original nuke post. And this means we're in trouble why? | ||
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On July 13 2013 00:08 Ace wrote: ##nuke MajuGarzett This is the original nuke post. On July 14 2013 13:00 Ace wrote: something isn't right. I think I figured out what happened and if this works we've got issues. ##nuke MajuGarzett This is your recent nuke post. Am I missing something? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote: This is the original nuke post. This is your recent nuke post. Am I missing something? Ah I am, that was the one you did at night after nuke deadline. Ok, original question stands. Why are we in trouble/have issues? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:38 geript wrote: It's simple. We lynch him with fire like I've been saying already. We don't trust Stutters which means the nukes a fake, or we don't trust Ace which means he has ulterior reasons for launching the nuke. Either way Maju needs to die and the surest way of that is lynching him. Is it possible that they're both town? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote: You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both. Maybe I really am missing something here. Stutters presumably gives Ace a fake nuke. He uses said fake nuke. Fake nuclear launch happens. Town impossibility because....? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:46 johnnywup wrote: Yup, this. Definitely Stutters, like I've been saying. It was such an obvious fake PM -.- I forgot for a second but yes this basically confirms Stutters is scum for me. Whether or not the nuke lands, the fact that it was launched contradicts Stutters claim. So, I say we lynch Stutters actually, and if the nuke lands, great, if not, we do it tomorrow. How does it contradict the claim? Is it not possible for Stutters to have given Ace the nuke and for him to have had his Toy Store destroyed? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:47 VayneAuthority wrote: Unless I am understanding the role wrong, it is similar to other roles ive played with in the past. You are informed you have a nuke (like Ace was) but it doesn't actually do anything so you can discern people's motives without them actually getting to nuke. This goes against that since a nuke was actually launched Uh....why can't a fake nuke be launched? Am I just fucking dense here or are none of you seeing the possibility that both are town (and Stutters is kinda dumb for doing what he did)? | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Well there's quite a few scenarios A. Ace is scum and using this to further the scum agenda closer to lylo, he did this in roulette successfully. B. Stutters as scum gave Ace a nuke to garner towncred/trust but then when it doesn't work he changes his role to re-align with what ace said. Then Ace realizes the mistake which stutters didnt. This seems like the most likely scenario. C. Both scum bussing eachother which makes very little sense since it would be fucking obvious after the other doesn't die at night. D 1 Stutters is town and was telling the truth and gave town Ace a fake nuke to see what he would do with it. (No fucking clue why) 2 Same as above but Ace is scum ---> ends up being same as A. If you're going to consider options, consider all of them, including ones that don't fit your plan. | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:54 VayneAuthority wrote: His role PM doesn't say anything about the nukes being duds or anything, just that you give fake shit to people that doesn't work. We already know he lied about his PM unless the role PM is very ambiguous, but with how specific others have been I HIGHLY doubt that dud = shit that doesn't work | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:55 johnnywup wrote: Oh shit, you're right. Fuck. Okay, in that case it's possible they're both townie but it just seems so likely that they aren't. It's possible though. Okay, going back to the plan I said a couple posts ago then. I've got an idea that we should lynch one that's not Maju/Stutters. If the nuke lands, we have a probably dead scum and another alive confirmed scum. If it doesn't land, we have a semi-confirmed townie and an alive probable scum. I'm not sure if this is better than lynching maju, because he's probably scum, but we'd get no info out of that. Stutters isn't black or white in that case. Anyone's thoughts? Stutters gave Ace the nuke on N1? | ||
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On July 11 2013 23:03 Ace wrote: Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that? Ace, you got your nuke after N1, correct? | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:02 VayneAuthority wrote: no. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. compare that to Toy Store, they are clearly different. One says that you can make a nuke that launches but might be a dud, while toy store only says it gave them a nuke in notifications but doesn't actually launch. What are you trying to hide? Where does it say it doesn't actually launch? It says it doesn't work. That's pretty ambiguous but I take it to mean the same thing as being a dud. | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok I will try to explain it You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The role ends at target player being told they received a nuke. thats it. You do not actually make real nukes. You are a Cheap Chinese.Nuke Manufacturer! You don't always make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. The nuke won't always work but it will appear real regardless. Compare that to this. Choose nuke and player. Player will be told he received a nuke. NUKE WONT ALWAYS WORK BUT WILL APPEAR REAL. see? that is the difference. One claim ends at the role PM, the other goes on to say that the nuke will actually appear as real in the thread. Alright assuming you're right about this (I don't 100% buy it, but whatever) You then assume Stutters to be scum, correct? | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:09 VayneAuthority wrote: I would be 100% sure if Ace didn't fuck us in roulette -_- just the fact that I know he's capable of doing that makes it iffy But if what you're saying is true then Stutters has lied about his claim. There is no town motivation I can think of for that which makes Stutters scum 100%. | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:15 VayneAuthority wrote: The first thing I thought of when I saw his few different roleclaims was that he was trying to make a play like rayn did, thats always a possibility. He could have been trying to fuck with Ace but now Ace is fucking with him. So you think it's possible that after being caught with the real roleclaim he THEN lied and is not a Toy Store. Alright I suppose I follow but that is some convoluted shit right there. There is certainly some 'really fucking unlikely' going on there, and I don't think it's on the same level as Roulette at all. What do you think the correct play is, Vayne? | ||
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On July 14 2013 14:35 VayneAuthority wrote: The correct play is to consult the hosts but since its a strictly closed setup the second best action is probably to leave it untouched right now and see what Maju flips or if he even flips at all. It should be something we talk about tomorrow not today So you think we should be lynching outside of this situation then? | ||
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I have to really think about this. Hopefully I'll have some time tomorrow. Onegu, are you scum? | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:39 Onegu wrote: Umm it is possible I killed firm tofu I visited him last night... I hate your filter. Looks horrible, but the above post is what forces me to believe that you're town. Nothing more to say. | ||
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Considering the level of gumshoe's play in Basterd and his ninja vote on Stutters, I might be ok to lynch gumshoe today if we can't agree on anyone outside the Stutters/Ace situation. Fuck the actual amount of lurk in this game. | ||
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On July 14 2013 15:31 johnnywup wrote: This brings a dilemma however. If we don't lynch MG, then it's possible that scum still has 2 KP tonight, if the nuke is indeed a dud. If we mislynch it's triply bad. If we just lynch MG, okay, we lose 1 person. Of course we'll be trying to lynch scum but the possibility is troubling if we mess up. If we lynch someone else outside the situation, and it turns out to be a townie, then we lose 1 during day and 2 at night. Of course, if we lynch outside the situation and hits a scum we're in a GREAT position, we're almost done. There are 18 alive right now I believe (correct me if I miscounted) which means 14 town and 4 scum, at BEST (assuming no 3p for sake of argument--including 3p only makes it worse) So as far as I can see there's the following possibilities: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + A: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST. B: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST C: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST D: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum, at BEST E: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST F: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + G. We lynch MG. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST H. We lynch MG. He's townie. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST + Show Spoiler + I: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST J: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST K: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST L: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST M: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST N: We lynch stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST (assuming if we hit scum today we get rid of 1 KP, there is 5 total scum, and the rest are townie, and if we lynch MG we don't know whether or not the nuke would hit) Averaging the outcomes (if outcomes are equal---which they are obviously not, but just something to consider) Lynching outside the situation or lynching stutters: 11.833333 townies on day 4 with 3.16666 scum Lynching MG: 12 townies on day 4, 3.5 scum Lynching outside the situation therefore has more townies/scum on average, and is probably a better pick than lynching MG. Although I included lynching stutters as an option I don't think it's a good idea at all because it lends itself to REALLY bad situations imo. However I haven't taken into account that if the nuke doesn't hit then Stutters is probably town and if it does hit he's probably scum. Intuition tells me that lynching outside of the situation lends to better results if you take that into account. But back to the dilemma. Best possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit scum, nuke lands, MG flips scum. Worst possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke lands, MG flips town. Most likely scenario IMO (sorry town but after 2 mislynches I have less faith): We lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke may or may not land. The problem I have is that if the nuke doesn't land we lose 3 townies for nothing in this situation, when we could have lynched a (relatively) confirmed scum. On the other hand, if we do decide to lynch MG, we get no information on Stutters from this at all. So I'm really torn. What does everyone else think? Oh yeah I meant to comment on this. I doubt you're nything bt town at this point, but mind explaining your assumption as to the KP formula in this game? If we hit scum in MG you know it's still possible scum have 2 KP tonight, right? | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Sentinal makes a lotta sense with the dont lynch MG cause then we dont know if stutters is lying or Ace or whatnot. But I dont agree with his choice of lynch target. I have played with scum chez and it really doesnt seem like it. Scum chez purposely makes his stuff unreadable and in general, while posting ok amounts, is really useless. This chez is not useless and is useful. Dont lynch this chez cause hes town. Lets lynch Gumshoe guys, not austin. Austin is one of the main posters and even if he is mafia, he is still helping to make the thread productive. Which is good. Not geript either. GUMSHOE ##vote Gumshoe Did you read my case on Geript? I can get behind a Gumshoe lynch if we don't have another choice atm. | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote: this one? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=139#2767 1 question though, why not just let the nuke land on jampi? To waste a town lynch on jampi and force us to fuck around another day on MG when we could have dealt with him already if the nuke on jampi had just landed. | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:59 Oatsmaster wrote: So basically your case is an association case, is that right? It's not, really. You're not reading the case properly. Regardless on MG's flip Geript is trying to force us to waste our time. Someone said they asked Artanis whether it would show if the nuke lands if we lynch MG and apparently it DOESN'T. This means that Geript will have wasted our time again and we will learn absolutely nothing about Stutters' role if he has is way and we lynch MG. | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:51 Ace wrote: Deadline should have passed, so Stutters was telling the truth. Austin also confessed to raiding him so he was telling the truth about that too. austin why did you wait this long to tell the truth about targeting Stutters? You read the interaction between me and him when we were both confused about why the nuke never went off. You could have said something right? Stutters was telling the truth about what? According to Vayne if he was telling the truth you should never have even been able to launch a nuke. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:00 Ace wrote: ??? I thought the nuke not killing Maju was the test for whether it was fake or not. Are we sure the actual launch is the test? ...What? The nuke hasn't landed yet. Ace what are you talking about? | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote: Yeah, I'm making assumptions. Either we had one silent nuker with two nukes who could only shoot once per day OR Two silent nukers and one happened to hold a shot for the second day OR Someone, scum or 3P, gets a silent nuke each day, and used it to shoot at town I find the third more likely than the first two. An infinite vig is not crazy broken in a game where multiple people pass out nukes every 2 nights, or at least I don't believe it to be. As of now, based on what we've seen, the only nukes that started off existing were the volatile ones, and we've seen multiple folks flip as technicians. Implying that nukes that didn't start in this game are created. It's less damning when it doesn't match up with stutters role PM, but you guys know who I raided if I end up killified. Honestly, I believe that you believe what you've been saying, I just don't necessarily agree with it; it seems just as likely to me that some random scummer only had two nukes or something. I won't have time until after the flip later tonight, but can someone compile a list of claims/roles we know of so far and actions? | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:46 Koshi wrote: @WaveofShadow Are you staying on geript or not? If not where are you going? I think I will follow you... There are a few options I see open to me atm. I would switch within reason but of today's 'popular' topics I will not be voting for MG, Austin, or CA. Right now I am staying on Geript. If we a lot of trouble consolidating I would feel comfortable voting Gumshoe. I would really like to see what Ace is going to be doing with his vote today, because as of now he is still on MG. | ||
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Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town. I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta. Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now. | ||
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Z-Boson, I already elaborated. On July 14 2013 15:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok NOW I'm going to bed. I hate your filter. Looks horrible, but the above post is what forces me to believe that you're town. Nothing more to say. I actually need to go read Chrono Trigger for another reason as well---good reason as any to have a look at SnB's play. Oats you're better at yelling at people than me. Less than 3 hour to lynch, no consolidation. Do your thing breh. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest. Are you like 15 or something? Haha I kind of agree here. For what it's worth though I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. I don't think I've ever seen mafia do in-depth numbers analysis like he did, and it wouldn't make sense to try and alert the town to KP reduction possibilities. Z Boson I'd like you to comment on Geript atm. You already shot my case down but you really didin't offer much in terms of reasoning, and especially now that we know that if we simultaneously lynch and nuke MG we don't find out if the nuke is real or not it makes sense that Geript is looking to bury info and buy scum as much time as possible. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Problem I'm having with geript lynch is two things 1) His posts in beginning of day1 were pretty decent. I recall that when I was catching up I ended up agreeing with him in a lot of aspects 2) Him shooting down jampidampi nuke for his weird-ass reasoning if a reaaally weird play to make as scum. Only possible scum scenario I can think of is if he wanted some town cred for shooting down a townie, but that's just so risky. Can you link the main points against geript you'd like me to answer? I agree with what you've said and I firmly believed him to be town earlier on in the game but I changed my mind on him based on his shitflinging towards me and now his actions regarding jampi. It's not the protection of jampi that worries me (ie 'well-meaning townie' as Oats says) it's that plus the idea that he wants us SPECIFICALLY not to nuke MG from the very start of last night and rather to use our lynch on him. Combined with scum reasoning for shooting down the jampi nuke (towncred + wasting our lynch as he knew town sentiment was against letting jampi live, therefore he knew we'd waste our lynch on him) Geript must be scum. As far as Geript responding to me, I believe he did already but he didn't really tackle my points against him head on, and tries to skirt around it by treating my claims as ridiculous. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote: Let me try and put things in order here. 1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard. 2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters. The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. No mention of Geript whatsoever? And why is the choice between Onegu and SnB, Ace? I mean, that's an easy choice for me as I have Onegu firmly as town, but why did you present those two as options specifically? It reads as though you're trying to lead a lynch away from somewhere. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:34 Oatsmaster wrote: You dont really need to read chrono WoS. Lotta setup talk. So Ace, who do we lynch? NOT RELATED TO THIS GAME: That's exactly why I need to read it eventually. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:39 Ace wrote: @WoS: Makes 0 sense to lynch geript today. Not unless Maju flips Scum. Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum. If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now. Ugh. It's so simple I basically can't refuse but that makes me so goddamn paranoid I'm ripping my hair out. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:44 Ace wrote: Oats I really dont see a gumshoe lynch being productive right now. @Wos: keep your sanity. Which path do you want to go down? At the moment I know I don't want to lynch into the Stutters/MG/You bullshit. I suppose I could lynch SnB and apparently if I switch Koshi will too? Oats switching makes me feel ok about it.... I know this sort of makes sense but why did SnB claim when he did? Being the last person to claim a role doesn't necessarily make you scum, an that's assuming there are only 3-4 of this one role and that one must be mafia aligned. The triple-cop-claim caper proved us very wrong in that regard and it fucked us all game. This switch that so many people are seemingly on board for reads to me like the ON switch. I didn't like that one then and you saw how it turned out. | ||
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I REALLY don't feel good about this at all but I don't want Austin lynched. People let's go, get on SnB. If we lose let's fucking do it in style. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:28 Z-BosoN wrote: nononono not this again don't judge a wagon by the people in it or by how many are in there. Judge it by how scummy you think the person in the wagon is. I'm not. I'm saying I don't want Austin lynched. Never did. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:47 Ace wrote: If you don't like the lynch give some reasons, vote somewhere else, ask questions, do something. I know we've had some weird last minute wagons before but now that we're aware of them be proactive if you don't feel good. People were aware that the ON wagon looked shitty last time too. And people thought the DI wagon looked shitty. This doesn't help, Ace. You know what? I was right last time. I'm voting gumshoe. Fuck this wagon. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote: @geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now. Fuck this shit. Who is more likely to be town, me or Ace? If I'm going to be wrong I'd rather be wrong of my own accord rather than be led. Gumshoe's posting has been shit and I KNOW he is extremely capable of a very strong game, and I feel much better about lynching him than I do Ace's dichotomy of choices. | ||
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I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe. I won't let you down. Promise. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:18 Stutters695 wrote: Because I'm having a hard time reconciling the four immunes all being town and this wouldn't be an unreasonable bus. It would be a completely unreasonable bus. No one was even thinking about SnB. Johnny call it whatever you want: inactivity, meta, whatever. Gumshoe's play in Basterd was not even a shadow of a dick of what his play has been like here. I'm not even worried he might be town, because at this rate we wouldn't want him at LYLO as is. And the best part to me is that nobody ever brings him up. So much more likely for him to be scum for that reason to me than town. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote: Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:24 Ace wrote: there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them? The ones we have some reason to burn through, yes. We had reason to burn through DI but people decided otherwise. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:25 Ace wrote: 3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation? We don't even know what the radiation DOES, do we? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:28 Ace wrote: ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png) It's fucking radiation. You think its gonna turn us into X-men? All the role PMs about it have said is that it infects people. We haven't had anyone die to radiation yet have we? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:32 Ace wrote: @Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team. @jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read. I don't have the same issues you seem to. There is no way Onegu is scum based on the post where he thinks he killed Firmtofu with radiation. There are 4 scum left. Do you really think the 4 (or 3 if gumshoe flips red) are all within your list? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:36 Z-BosoN wrote: Can you comment on his reaction to geript nuke? I think it's a solid argument. Feels unnatural for scum to go ahead and be ultra-pissed for blocking a nuke on a townie, no? Also, vayne/onegu are pretty much town, I think we can consolidate on that. Maju is likely getting nuked. Austin is too active to lynch atm. Help me puzzle out SnB's claim then. Why would he claim at the time he did? It makes little sense. Also, do you recall how many people had claimed IO before he did? I made these points earlier. WHAT SAY YOU, O ACE | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:43 Ace wrote: Ok, you know what. I'll admit I could be wrong on the IO thing. If it is possible all 4 of them are Town, then you want to lynch gumshoe and not austin? Even though a gumshoe lynch doesn't move us anywhere? Dat timing. Oh man Ace. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:45 johnnywup wrote: Ace what the fuck? Push SnB as hard as possible then 15 minutes before deadline "maybe gumshoe could work"? I know his ninja vote is scummy as hell but that was like a complete 180. I have a theeeeeeeory | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:50 austinmcc wrote: I'm kind of involved here, but at this point I'm kind of willing to vote for not-me. I do believe snb to be scum, but gumshoe also looks awful and again, it's not me. You're safe bro. Dun worry. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote: Oh wait, SnB pushed gumshoe earlier on. If he flips scum, well, SnB will prob be like confirmed town, barring some decent play frm him. I'm not so sure I'd be so quick to believe that necessarily. We're going to have a whole bunch of new info in a few minutes so sit tight. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:53 Stutters695 wrote: If the nuke kills MG I lied about it being fake and am thus scum. Once I flip town in that case Ace is then scum for lying about only getting one nuke(mine) and not stating that he fired a separate one. If the nuke is a dud I'm at least being partially truthful about my role regardless of if you actually believe my PM. Interesting. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:58 VayneAuthority wrote: why does this look like another scum bus again, why the fuck would gumshoe just ninja vote randomly as scum other than to give his teammates a chance to gain some towncred? If he's town he isn't playing to his wincon so he's either gamethrowing or scum :/ I feel like the only outcome here is that they told gumshoe to do this so the rest of them could get cred. Ding ding ding We have a wiener | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:04 geript wrote: I would like to point out... that this exact scenario is why I fucking wanted to lynch Maju. I could strangle people right now... starting with myself. DO NOT FUCKING LET ANY ONE OF MAJU, ACE, AUSTIN OFF THE HOOK111111 LYNCH THEM BACK TO BACK TO BACK Alright. You gave me my chance now I give you yours. I do feel a *little* better about you now and I certainly can't risk being this wrong again. We lynch Maju tomorrow. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:17 Ace wrote: WoS you pushed the gumshoe wagon. Do you feel anyone on it is Scum that just wanted an easy lynch? I've spent way too much time on this game in the last little while. I'll answer this in a couple hours, just reminding myself in filter. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:11 strongandbig wrote: yeah you guys are all dipshits whatevs idgaf See, the shitty thing about this is we can't even call it scummy because Gumsheo essentially did the same thing but without talking in thread. Whoever said we can't win when people are playing against their wincon was right. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: I've spent way too much time on this game in the last little while. I'll answer this in a couple hours, just reminding myself in filter. Alright let's see. Ace I already mentioned I was so sure Gumshoe was going to flip scum that your miraculous 180 just as Gumshoe ninjavoted meant you were scum but I guess that's not true. On July 15 2013 07:04 s0Lstice wrote: TARGET LOCKED MajuGarzett (1): Stutters695 (0): geript (1): Z-BosoN (1): Chezinu, austinmcc (4): strongandbig, Alakaslam, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Chezinu (1): [UoN]Sentinel, gumshoe (7): strongandbig (3): TARGET: gumshoe was obliterated! I dunno with 4 scum left I'd have a hard time believing there wasn't at least one on the wagon. Oats is town. Z-Boson I can't be 100% sure of...he didn't vote until right at the end but he was the first to jump on board when I suggested it. Koshi said he was going to sheep me so that's whatever. Geript literally just said 'you have my axe' after fighting against every lynch I tried to push during the day. Johnny and Stutters...? Like...I don't know what to really analyze from this; it was such a quick switch and then gumshoe essentially sealed his own fate by being dumb right at the end. Maybe it makes sense to look at who voted him BEFORE he did what he did and who voted after? | ||
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I think this is probably my last night with you guys at this point since it's pretty obv they won't mislynch me, it's only a matter of whether they think I'll actually be able to catch any of them at all, to which I'd say I don't even fucking know. Anyway, I'll get out a list of reads to you guys before I die, surely I can't be wrong about all of them. | ||
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On July 16 2013 05:26 strongandbig wrote: doing a lurker lynch for no reason was stupid and was probably an idea pushed by scum. a last minute lurker switch on freaking day 3? just shows the town has no momentum to get anything done. probably the town can't get anything done at this point. but the town actually never got anything done in the first place. that's why austin and probably ace at this point are scum. if they were town and as active as they are being, this would never have happened. lucky for them that there are apparently no townies who care enough to actually try organizing people. lol really? So you calling me scum breh? List post inc. | ||
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Oats - Actively shot down nukes on townies super early. Makes no sense to do for towncred imo. Since him and Geript have the same role I would bet specifically in this case that there is no way they are both town, so if I'm wrong about Geript, he is scum. Stutters - No fucking clue. Leaning town on him a little since fake nuke and all but meh. Sentinel - nuked scum. Ace - Leaning town honestly. Can't be sure why, but he had plenty of plays he could have made as scum but didn't. For whoever says it makes sense as scum to shoot him early, Ace has a pretty hefty mislynch history recently and doesn't play in a 'cleanly' town way that people would expect him to, so he's difficult to read, hence good for mafia to leave up. MajuGarzett - Fuck if I know but he's gotta die at this point. Johnnywup - Not a superstrong townread but a town read nonetheless. His anger at the case I made on him early seemed genuine and he looks to be trying when it would be pretty easy just to lurk the fuck out since nobody pays much attention to him. [green]Onegu/green] - Town. Pretty much has to be for that comment where he says he killed Tofu. Geript - Not as strong of a scumread as I had earlier. Remember what I said about him and Oats and think about my case on him if we see flips on the people he was involved with earlier (ie MG) Vayne - He really DOES change his playstyle from game to game. Whereas at one point this much activity and analysis could be considered a scumread, in his last game (where he was mislynched, hilariously) he played well and was town. StrongandBig - I refuse to believe that everyone in this game is playing against their wincon so blatantly so kill this guy too. Chezinu - No fucking idea. His play in LX looked a lot like this guy and he was scum. Caucasianasian - Gutread. I dunno I can't see his scumteam letting him come back constantly and just post 'HAY GUYS I GIFF READS' and then disappears 80 times. Alakaslam - This guy is psycho. To be fair I've never seen his scum play so I don't know if it would be as crazy but this certainly looks exactly like how he's been playing town thus far. Austin - I have no idea honestly. I want to say with the effort he's thrown in over the last little while he'd be town but I just don't know him well enough to be able to tell for sure. I guess he did put in shit tons of effort like this in PTP and was scum.... Hmm. Too many townreads it seems. Have a look at Vayne. I'll downgrade him to null. | ||
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On July 16 2013 06:19 austinmcc wrote: AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH. YOU ARE MAKING MY HEAD GET A HURT-Y FEELING. He hung on a chez = scum read for more than a day, based on a gut read that was never explained further. He voted jampi right at the end of D2 based on going back to some other game, not linking any specific posts, but saying jampi wasn't playing like himself that game. I repeat:
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Oh well at least my first thoughts were right about Vayne. Kinda surprised at that kill but whatevs. Lol I also realize I forgot about Z Boson in my reads list lol. Oh well. Another day of fun ahead. | ||
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On July 16 2013 07:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Finally ##Nuke: austinmcc Good now things get interesting again. | ||
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On July 16 2013 13:45 geript wrote: Maju is essentially confirmed scum for me. By not attempting to clear the auto-obv lynch on N2 to actually save a lynch (or in the least find out if the nuke worked) he wastes time and a lynch. Next, instead of taking the sure scum lynch in Maju, he goes to nuke him (despite it being able to be protected or redirected last second) making it such that even if the nuke were real, Maju would stay alive. On top of that, he doesn't act like the nuke is a "real nuke;" if it were, he would've changed his vote and started to push a different player. Since he knows or in the least assumed that the nuke was fake, by faux nuking Maju he gets him another turn to buy both a potential mislynch (on someone else) and save Maju (and KP) for yet another turn. Uh....care to read what you just wrote and fix it? | ||
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On July 16 2013 19:32 Koshi wrote: Geript is setting up reasons why he is going to shoot down the nuke coming for him. Why not trow some shit at Ace while doing so. GERIPT SHOW US YOUR ENTIRE ROLE PM. I don't believe you got 1 shot. I don't fucking believe it with so many potential nukes. Did geript ever say he only got one shot? | ||
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On July 17 2013 02:31 austinmcc wrote: Was waiting for that. I can't say that I'm not. I'll note that if you read last game, I  IDN'T* really do much of it until the last day. And on the last day, I was actually just hunting scum, except...as scum myself. That wasn't exactly the most normal ending to a mafia game ever, and it actually felt like playing town.That's basically how I play scum lol. Just be town. Whatever I'm not hunting for you anyway. I'll have to be satisfied with a MG lynch today, and we'll see what happens wit dem nukes. | ||
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On July 17 2013 02:37 austinmcc wrote: I'm assuming the nuke will land, but I'd heart someone defensing it. Actually forgot about that last night in frustration. lol I kinda forgot who was nuked. Wasn't it Geript and SnB? Or was it you? | ||
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See here's my problem. I defs want the nuke on Geript to land (though it won't 'cause he'll protect himself) and the fact that it was Sent who nuked you makes me want that one to land as well despite me not thinking you're scum. | ||
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On July 17 2013 02:52 johnnywup wrote: I can't see you being scum, Koshi, with how hard you're tunneling geript... For the record, I like that you're discussing other lynch options, but can we please agree to just lynch MG today, and discuss who we lynch tomorrow, today? MGs gotten away from us too many times. I don't want it to happen again If no scum flips today (from nukes or lynch) I will drink my own piss @_@ http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3v77a6/ I am in agreement though. We can't let MG go any more no matter what. | ||
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The only one I can see being fake is Chez's because technically it was shot down before it hit anybody on D1 so we don't really know. Where did the Ace one come from? | ||
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Nuke deadline is up, so let's see here. Assuming none of the nukes are fake: CA dies Chez dies Geript dies Austin dies Onegu dies. We have people with abilities to change this. Oats and Geript, you two can stop nukes from hitting, correct? | ||
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Right now we have 6 people slotted to die in a few hours. We need to figure out whom of those we actually want to die, if there's anyone else we'd like to add to that list, and if there are people on that list we think might not actually die like they're 'supposed' to. 1) Sent--->Austin - Likely real and Sent is likely town. Not sure if this makes Austin scum but there may be higher priority nukes to stop. 2) Maju--->Geript - This may be the one that requires the most discussion. Geript can obviously save himself (and probably will) this does not necessarily speak volumes on either's alignment. 3) Chez ---> CA - Possible fake nuke? Not worth wasting time on either way imo since CA hasn't done a goddamn thing all game. 4) CA--->Chez - I like how CA magically wakes up, says 'I have a nuke?' And retaliates. This may be the scummiest thing CA has done all game so I'm certainly fine with letting #3 land. The question is will it, and do we want to do someting about this one on Chez? Chez's play has been particularly enigmatic, vote patterns, posting, everything. I'm up in the air on this one. 5) ???--> Onegu - I think this one could be stopped. I have no doubts this one is real. It *COULD* be a gambit to get Oats to waste his protection but seems really unlikely---the needs for scum to 'make plays' like this at this point in the game is close to nil. I have some ideas as to what we can/should do but I want to hear input from the rest of this waste-of-space town. | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:34 Ace wrote: Ace went to sleep that night and launched the nuke first thing in the morning at work. It was too late. "Ace getting killed because he has a nuke" makes no sense. Scum wouldn't know who I would target. Ohai Ace, welcome to the game. Thoughts on my post about the nukes? | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote: nah Ace is totes town, everyone is making really bad confirmation biased posts. NIGHT ALL. Lynch MG. !! ##defend chez guys 3 is the lucky number .. Also chez too qtpie2die Nice of you to come in and shit on everyon'e sposting but not offer anything useful yourself. Oh well at least you shot down the CA nuke. Chez, can you please tell us if your nuke is fake? I'd really like to know if CA is scum. | ||
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Geript can save himself. And will. Do you that Austin/CA/Onegu are all scum? | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:12 strongandbig wrote: lynch ace and let's find out if im distancing myself How big and/or strong are you really? | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript can save himself. And will. Do you that Austin/CA/Onegu are all scum? | ||
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On July 18 2013 03:54 Ace wrote: Onegu probable. Don't think Austin is scum based on the wagons the previous day. What about Onegu's post way back about how he 'killed' FirmTofu because he visited him at night? | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:06 Ace wrote: I asked him about it. I think he said he had a scumread on Tofu, even though many others didn't. Who else did he visit? Yeah and then you completely dropped it. ALso once again I feel I have to mention we have seen absolutely NOTHING relevant occur with regards to the fuctionality of Immune ones/radiation nukes/infected. | ||
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Oats fucked up his save on Chezinu so I'm not sure what to do about that, and it honestly worries me because I don't believe both him and Geript are both town with the same role. TBH the nuke I'm most likely to affect is the one against Onegu. The question is, what to do with it. | ||
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Since Oats hasn't used his defense he can come back with last minute shennanies now and fuck with me. At least I know Geript can't do that. Oats---if you do this it is as good as a scumclaim in my eyes, just so you know. I just really hope that whatever I do I don't fuck up AGAIN---I've got a dead medic (though a saved MZ?) on my hands and a last-minute redirect onto a scummy-but-town Gumshoe. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:49 austinmcc wrote: This is a solid point but...I don't even know if it matters whether people are claiming scum today or not, with this many nukes. Whatever. I saved DI who I thought was kinda of scummy to lynch ON, then wanted to lynch jampi over MG. Well some nukes belong to town and some belong to scum, that's for certain. Fairly sure I know what I'm going to do I'm just not sure how close to deadline I'll be able to do it. | ||
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On July 18 2013 05:49 Chezinu wrote: Mr. Pokemon, why do you betray me? We had an alliance. Weapons of mass destruction given to the hands of my enemy. Chez should I protect you? Is alakaslam scum? I know he's around. | ||
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Geript please use your defense. | ||
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I know you're there. Use your defense. Now. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:19 geript wrote: I'm waiting till the last second Why? | ||
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Here's the problem I have. Targets are more difficult to tell if they're scum or not, so you proclaiming you'd perform a selfless act last second means nothing to me if you're doing it to save someone. If I redirect it's going to be a scum nuke, so I'd appreciate you not fucking with me. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong once again but at least someone I'm unsure/think is scummy of will be eliminated and therefore will make the game easier to solve. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:27 austinmcc wrote: Silent save on chez nukes means that either geript or oats can silently save someone, or there's another person out there. I would ASSUME that if one of them could silently save, they'd have said that or would note it after the chez nuke. So likely another player? I couldn't tell how much you guys were testing each other by asking about shot numbers and things on D2. Or spelling doesn't matter. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:29 geript wrote: Well since you already think I'm scum, I think you can understand why I wouldn't use my defense from either side. If I'm town, then I'll need to save town. If I'm scum, then I'll need to save a scum buddy or drop a WIFOM bomb. Defending myself to allow you to redirect to me isn't acceptable. That said, if you want to redirect to Ace then I'm cool with it; or redirect to Chez. If I redirected to you you'd be dead nonetheless. The fact that you're hesitating on it means you must have some idea as to whether or not you actually NEED to defend yourself against the nuke launched at you, or one of the ones I'd redirect. | ||
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I'd love to redeem myself here but I just don't know if that's going to happen. Geript, why are you ok with me redirecting to Ace if he is yet another person you have protected in the past? | ||
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I want them NOW. See, I'm obviously town and have been for almost the whole game so I have the luxury of waiting on you to do your thing without looking scummy. You don't. | ||
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On July 18 2013 06:35 geript wrote: Uh... When did I protect Ace? That was Oats protecting him on D2. The only defense I've used that I can remember is the Jampi one. Sorry you're right. Mixing things up with the 'maybe-hidden' protect that just happened. Even so. I want your reads NOW. | ||
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Send in our actions same time and let host sort them out? 13 min before deadline sound good? | ||
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You'll see what I'm about to do in a sec. Hope I'm right about this. Otherwise I'm going to be REALLY pissed. | ||
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I'm aware he can probably defend silently after he sees my redirect but whatever. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:00 geript wrote: @WoS did you get an extra use or did you forget that you're one-shot or did you lie about being one-shot? I NEVER LIE Except this time lol 2 shot Hacker | ||
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And your YAY EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU IS SCUMMY I HOPE I DID THIS RIGHT | ||
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Welp see yall in postgame. Gg and gl | ||
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Gg scum, we defs deserved to lose this. Too much derp and too much lurk. | ||
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On July 21 2013 08:36 FirmTofu wrote: GG guys. This game got me modkilled in Sicilian. Why? | ||
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Edit: Also Ace your frustration in the scum QT was tangible. If only town wasn't so incredibly bad this game. | ||
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On July 21 2013 09:19 Ace wrote: I actually PM'd Artanis early on to replace me because the Scum team was so afk Half of the players in this game were afk. Sigh. I mentioned this after another recent game (I forget which) but this is a game where policy lynching.nuking really would have come in handy to weed out the uselessness. I'm just really not sure how to go about enforcing something like that when I've never seen it done. | ||
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On July 21 2013 09:27 Koshi wrote: Ace don't you think you could have been in a better position if you were more active yourself? WoS could you have been persuaded by you if you were there? Could I have been persuaded by Ace? In what regard? My redirect to him? No I was pretty much set on it by then. A scumflip on Ace meant Oats was confirmed and probably Chez as well, and a townflip meant Geript was scum. Koshi Ace played very well considering the antics and afkness of his team. You don't need to be a spam poster to influence the game in a direction you want it to go---Ace is very good at subtlety from either alignment. | ||
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Chez is still pretty amusing and at least plays the game, albeit in his own strange way. CA's play I have more of a problem with this game and though the onus is on us for not having killed him for it, it's a borderline dick move to constantly make out-of-game excuses for your play and survive that way. ESPECIALLY when as far as I can tell most people (if not everyone) tells the truth when they bring out-of-game reasons into the thread for shit play/afk. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:01 getmoript wrote: Are you kidding me? The only reason why Koshi looked like town was because he looked to stupid to be scum. Guess I'll just have to lynch him because I doubt anyone will be able to tell a difference between his normal town stupid and his scum stupid. Also, I'm removing the too stupid to be scum as a town tell because him. If anyone can be that stupid normally or fake being that stupid that well then oh well. Yah, MG should've died D3. But no one listened to any logical points on why to lynch him instead of nuking him and why that made Ace scum until a day or 2 later. This is not an example of a game with good scum play. I don't think I've seen a game of good scum play since The Game where Kita and Bugs and BH dominated throughout. Ace played pretty well, but the rest of the scum team rode him like a bitch in heat. Chezinu was Chezinu and he forever will be tunneled, shot, lynched, etc. in every single game from now on until he decides to actually play for real. I hope they lynch his ass in Ver's game. Also, Oats your scum play is going to be pretty easy from now on unless you step it up. This is a prime example of town derping and not having players with a reputation that can push a lynch. Being able to push a lynch here is 90% reputation, 5% luck, 5% thought. That's why Ace was able to get away with the bullshit he did on D3. Maju gets lynched earlier and you guys have far more problems. Closed setup also heavily favored scum especially with 6 scum and a god awful SK. Game would've been fair if town had 1-2 more vets and idk 3-4 less dumbass lurkers. I'm not so sure I agree with you to be honest. First of all, you can't necessarily have a bunch of experienced players in every single game taking up every spot---if you want that kind of a game, host an invite only. Putting up with lurkers and general shit play/newbiness is part of what TL Mafia is about and always has been since I've started. Consider someone like BC who would fully advocate ridding every game of players that fit your descriptions. There are people who agree but it's not exactly an easy task and there are probably multiple levels of shit/weird play that some people find acceptable and others don't. Where do you draw a line? As well, after this game I'm pretty certain you don't need a 'reputation' to push a lynch---I got the Gumshoe lynch through instead of SnB/Austin and I don't think you'd consider me someone with a reputation----you just need to play/convince better. Obviously this game was particularly difficult in that people simply weren't fucking PLAYING the game, but I don't see how it had anything to do with 'vet' vs not. You're a qt and all, but you balance whine a LOT. It's hard out there for a host. I feel like the setup may have been slightly non-town favoured but again, themed. Nukes flyin' every which way and shit. A whole fuckton of blue roles more than there would normally be. Take it in stride, my friend. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:26 getmoript wrote: I hope they also discuss and tell people to GTFO if they intend to lurk. Nothing is any more infuriating to me than when town lurk-a-derps. I think by the end of D1 13 of 27 players had less than a 1 page filter. Onegu is here and trying to post WHILE HE'S FUCKING SICK OFF HIS ASS!!! People can devote enough time to scumhunt and be productive. If this lurking bullshit doesn't stop then we're going to have to have more vigilantes or find a better way to manage it because that in and of itself really imbalances the games. This I can agree with. I think the minimum postcount needs to be raised. Once per cycle + vote is simply not enough to ensure an enjoyable game. (Technically we DID have a shit ton of vigs this game ) | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:23 s0Lstice wrote: Being able to push a lynch here is 90% reputation, 5% luck, 5% thought. couldn't agree more with this. I hope it gets discussed in one of the podcasts at least...the way vets are treated around here is ridiculous. I'm pretty sure this was discussed in one of the very first podcasts actually. And I'm pretty sure Geript was actually involved in it. It essentially comes down to the fact that 'vets' are vets for a reason, and have a certain way of doing things that in general make people want to follow their directions. They have shown themselves to be quality players time and time again. That doesn't necessarily mean they are perfect or should always be sheeped or are incapable of fucking up or whatever. I dunno I'm pretty sure in the podcast the 'vet' vs 'noob' bias was debunked somewhat. Solstice what specifically are you referring to in this game about vets being treated differently than others? | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:35 geript wrote: I have never seen this sheer level of lurking in a normal game before. Like ever. I don't have any problem with newbies or less experienced players. Lurking is just unacceptable. I really hope that more games actually become invite only if this level of bullshit continues. I agree with this. Obviously I disagree, but there's an important reason why. The Gumshoe lynch was a really weird situation that I don't think you could reproduce. It was what like D4 so there aren't many players. He was kinda lurking and I thought about Rayn's townread on him from D1 and went fuck it, people don't want to lynch who I want to lynch so I'll throw my hat in with WoS because I know he's town and I don't think I can convince him to lynch otherwise. To get a good lynch early on D1-2 definitely and often D3 as well, you need a someone who can throw their reputation behind the lynch or else it doesn't get moving. This I don't agree with at all. It has less to do in my opinion with who a person is than what they're capable of to get a lynch through. Geript your townplay (aside from that weird shit with jampi/MG) was really solid this game. Part of mafia is proving that you are a person whose word should be followed and convincing people that your word is what makes sense. There are multiple ways of doing so---for example I listen to Prom a lot when he plays because his meta analysis is crazy strong and I find his reads to be very accurate. This isn't because he's a 'vet,' but because he manages to convince me through his cases and how accurate I feel him to be. I find him friendlier and easier to appeal ingame to than someone like marv, for example. I honestly think the inability to convince people is not anyone's fault but he who is trying to do the convincing/trying to push a lynch. The "experienced" to "newer" player ratio isn't something the host can or should control IMO. I'm a full on believer in random role distribution. My point was that after the early kills town didn't have a "rep" guy who could circle the wagons around a lynch. As for game setup/role balance, I think that the hosts hit the exact numbers and roles right on the money honestly. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:40 geript wrote: Here's a great example. On D3 was it, I made perfectly good explanations for lynching Maju despite the nuke. I explained it in full. Yet people thought I was trying to lynch a nuke despite knowing that there are nuke immune roles in the game AND that Rayn had called Ace scum. Ace used pretty words. I used logic. Who won that argument? I can't speak for other people but my reasoning for not listening to you was because I thought you were scum! It didn't have anything to do with Ace specifically at that point, it was my own case against you and your actions which appeared like a scum plan to me. It has absolutely not a thing to do with lack of respect for you or a great deal of respect for Ace. Not listening to Rayn is because I don't find his early game reads particularly accurate much of the time. He can be, but the whole 'listen to dead people' is kind of overrated in my opinion. Dead guys are bound to be right about something or another, but it's not like you have any way of knowing that any more than someone who is alive until you see some flips. You have no idea why mafia killed them. | ||
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On July 21 2013 14:52 s0Lstice wrote: there isn't a particular example this game, its an overall feeling from all the games i've read and played in. I get the argument that people listen to vets because they often say shit worth listening to. That doesn't stop it from being frustrating. It often feels like there are two games going on concurrently...one where the vets play with eachother, and one where the rabble does whatever the rabble does. The problem is that it makes a lot of worthwhile shit get entirely overlooked. I think its frustrating for both sides really. It creates a situation where non-vets are readily ignored, and the vets get hounded for stupid shit by all the 'big game hunters.' A good specific example is Basterd actually. Remember what happened on our day 1 lynch there WoS? Town sheeped Marv, who was gone for most of day 1. This is not Marv's fault by any means, but imagine how a non-vet feels in that situation. Why even bother trying if the town, like so many other towns, is going to just end up lynching who vet X tells us to? Another random example is Mad Men, from awhile ago (not sure why that suddenly popped in my head lol). Toadesstern as town played the game by making a list of the vets, declaring that some of the vets had to be scum, and then focused on his list to the exclusion of all else. This kind of shit happens around here, and it's not rare. It is not a problem if the rule is that useful shit gets get read, and ignorant stuff gets ignored. The rule around here though is closer to, in my opinion: 'the vets get read, and non-vets don't.' Again, I can't speak much for other people's thought processes, but people honestly should have known that D1 lynch on Vayne in Basterd was fucking terrible. If people were listening to Marv because he's Marv on that then that's their own fault. Why should a non-vet bother trying? Do you think the current 'vets' earned their 'status' through lack of trying? No, they consistently perform in games. If the people who are complaining were/are capable of doing the same thing then it wouldn't BE an issue. Talking about it not being a problem if useful shit gets read and ignorant stuff gets ignored---Ace talked about this specifically, as did Artanis in the Obs QT. The whole problem was there WAS way too much ignorant shit going on in the thread. It's not a coincidence that 'vets' get listened to while others go ignored a lot of the time---it's because they will often be the ones who are talking about the useful shit. That's not a hard and fast rule; I've seen plenty of stupid shit from vets and smart stuff from relative unknowns, but if people aren't willing to look within the thread itself and see how people are acting and what they're talking about and instead base all of their decisions on a visible 'vet' minority then that's their problem. I don't feel I do this and since you seem to be so against it, you probably don't either. How many people in this game actively did it? Another thing to think about was how much of this huge thread was productive discussion? I'd say MAYBE 1/4. Is that a result of lack of veterans to herd the town? I don't believe so but I think it's tough to say either way. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On July 21 2013 15:29 Ace wrote: 100% agreed on the "vet" status bullshit. Too much of the game is played based on reputation (or meta) and not enough of in-game behavior. I think someone like say Stutters is generally overlooked even though he can be a valuable townie. All because he doesn't (afaik) have a huge reputation. ETA: Also from now on, now you know one of the reasons I try not to post too many reads. I've been saying for years people sheep vets even though we can be wrong. Read some games where one popular guy says "I think X is obvious Town" and watch him/her get treated as confirmed Town by most of the players. I'm torn on this because I have experienced both sides. My first few games I essentially went largely ignored much of the time. Geript knows this. Is it because I played in big normals with a lot of vets or because what I posted wasn't worth reading? Probably some combination of both to be honest. The mindset of vets v non-vets is something that took me a a few games to drop as I eventually developed the confidence to perform on equal footing to those who may have intimidated me or shouted me down previously (equal skill is another thing entirely but irrelevant to what I'm saying right now. I think I still kinda suck). The same cannot necessarily be said for everyone apparently as there are still a lot of people who actively see this divide and are either held back by it or perceive their own lack of performance to be due to such. Again, difficult to tell which it truly is as I have experienced both, and I feel it is somewhat circumstantial. Ace raises a few good points in that the game does need to be played more within the context of that specific game itself and let people prove themselves from game to game; but as we are a community and play many games with each other constantly, this becomes exceedingly difficult. Are there rules that can be set up to combat newbies entering normals and feeling beaten down by players who all know each other? Can we force meta to go ignored in any kind of game other than all-smurf types? I don't believe so. It all comes down to individual attitude and how we play ourselves. Just like SC2/LoL/DotA 2/etc have metas, TL Mafia has a meta, and the meta has relied on meta for too long. I'm personally fairly confident that I have learned not to necessarily consider a veteran's opinion more valid than someone else's, and I could probably learn to rely on other player's past games less. Others may have to do the same, but as far as newer players being beaten down or ignored is concerned, I believe the onus still falls on the players who want to be listened to. I think the current crop of newbies are going to blow a lot of people away to be honest once they start playing, and that will show that individual skill, effort, and confidence are what is required for people to listen to you in mafia. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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There are some 'vet' players I have seen, whether self-proclaimed or status given by others, who do a lot to perpetuate the issue by acting in certain ways in games. I'm not entirely sure how that kind of behaviour can be curbed exactly if it is found to be a contributing factor to the perceived 'vet' problems within the forum. | ||
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On July 22 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote: Thx guys. I am planning to not use the inexperienced card anymore from now on, even though I am a newbie. Let's see where it brings us. I agree to an extend it is a lame way to play the game. Well here's the thing: if you tried to pull the inexperience card now, based on your performance this game you'd probably be lynched. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait getmoript and geript are the same person? Getmoript is a hydra smurf of his. We're using it right now in Bluelightz game. | ||
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