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On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.
@WoS you can sheep me b/c I'm voting Maju. You know I'm town. And I know you're town because you wouldn't lie about your kid being sick and you wouldn't use your kid being sick as an excuse for lurking (imo) unless you were town.
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On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ace who are you voting?
I'll sheep you because I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town.
Oats you too.
On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him.
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FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.
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He said he was one-shot. But Oats said he was one-shot too...
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On July 12 2013 01:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:19 Ace wrote:On July 12 2013 01:17 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Ace who are you voting? I'll sheep you because + Show Spoiler +You guys should really start reading inside of these quotes. It's super techy to read inside of quotes and I don't think scum would ever think to read inside of them. Let's be upfront and honest and form a circle using quote text to each other I haven't followed the thread as closely as I normally can, and I'm decently sure you're town. Oats you too. On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him. right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it. To be fair, didn't you guys accuse me of the same thing when I redirected the MZ nuke? ##Vote: Maju
This is fair, but so far all of the nukes we've seen (save perhaps for the mysterious nukes) have been on a deadline. You can expect town to act differently when they know that they do X or are going to die. There's a major responsibility there that we haven't seen any trend towards from Maju. A redirect is similar, but not quite the same as if you don't use the ability you wouldn't die (afaik).
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On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot?
Why are you of all people asking me?
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On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments.
Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?
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On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy?
Err I mean 2 shot town guy.
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On July 12 2013 01:54 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:51 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy? Err I mean 2 shot town guy. Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though.
You see. Here is where this line of thought fails. We've had multiple multiples in this game. The only one we haven't so far as I've known are Doctor and hacker. Yet because there are multiple defense grids this automatically makes Oats scum. Why not making Onegu scum or Xatalos scum. I remember liking you early on I think but me no likey right now.
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On July 12 2013 02:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote:
I thought you lied, ok sorry.
I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game.
Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. Thanks. But if you're town, now you're gonna be killed..... Since you have a day-KP. And you never got to use it.
Nukes can be launched at night.
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On July 12 2013 02:08 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote:
I thought you lied, ok sorry.
I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game.
Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. You explicitly stated that you wanted to nuke someone before you died. If you are town, you would probably expect to die tonight. Is it not in your best interest to use your nuke before night ends? Do you plan on doing so?
Why you so concerned with people's roles and shit?
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@Ace Take a look at FT's NMM game here. I'll be voting for nuking him/ lynching him tomorrow.
Basic summary:
1. Huge disparity in activity level (not wholly indicative of scum but at least a point in scum favor) which leads me to believe that he's significantly less confident in himself this game (scum tell)
2. Huge disparity in how he's creating reads and trying to push players (was town in NMM and did a very good job both in pushing his reads and in finding good reads to push [even if he got off track at points]). Looks like he's taking a different tack in approaching his reads = scum tell.
3. Role fishing = scummy
4. I don't have a nuke but I wish I did.
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On July 12 2013 02:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:03 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 02:01 Xatalos wrote:On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote:
I thought you lied, ok sorry.
I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game.
Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. Thanks. But if you're town, now you're gonna be killed..... Since you have a day-KP. And you never got to use it. Nukes can be launched at night. Isn't it the first 36 hours of any dayphase? Or that + night? If so, then good. Btw are you planning to save jampidampi and for what reason? Everyone agreed to it (although apparently MajuGarzett himself preferred VA). Then jampidampi proceeded to ragequit - or actually he came back (unlike XigXag) but just defended some accusations and complained (although there was one okayish post on MajuGarzett). Is that really enough to use your anti-nuke considering what little jampidampi has done all game (almost only the rayn claim analysis)?
OP Wrote:
Nukes can be fired up to 12 hours until the next deadline. It will be announced in thread whenever a nuke is fired. The nuke will trigger at the end of the deadline.
Plus since I can anti-nuke at night = nukes can be fired at night.
I'll read and think about saving jampi at least. I really hate the firing and in high KP games which this obvious is, town KP is almost always aimed at town.
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On July 12 2013 02:21 austinmcc wrote:
Read through, not entirely processed.
I don't think someone being immune one = them being town. I actually thought Onegu was crumbing some kind of radiation medic, he seemed to know how radiation worked, how it killed, but claimed no nuke. That role seemed very townie to me.
For no raisin, I'm assuming that with some of these roles that exist in multiples, some of there were assigned to scum. But if we start seeing 3 people claiming 48-hour unstable nukes, immune ones, defense grids, etc. then I think it's ALMOST a listcheck saying someone in that bunch is scum. Immune one a perfectly fine mafia role tbh, if they have any radiation nukes they can drop em on townies OR on a known immune one and use it as extra KP from thereon out, irradiating people.
As best as I can tell...Ace is not nuked anymore, and was given a nuke by an unknown. Maju had a nuke, and used it on jampi? He did not claim it until recently, and did not say whether he has had it the whole time or how it came into being? And also...sentinel nuked DI/XigXag, but did not claim from whence his nuke came? Is that...the nuking story as it sits right now?
You people make me sad.... but I like this post. I had the idea of a using the roles as a listcheck, but I'm pretty sure artanis is a bastard host so it wouldn't be that worthwhile.
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On July 12 2013 02:26 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote:On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You guys are really making me sad by not reading I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player.
Have you played with Maju before? Why would you think this?
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On July 12 2013 02:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:27 geript wrote:On July 12 2013 02:26 FirmTofu wrote:On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote:On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You guys are really making me sad by not reading I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. Have you played with Maju before? Why would you think this? Have you? What would you think of his meta then?
Nope... I don't believe in meta. It's always used wrong. It's only good for forming accusations
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On July 12 2013 02:34 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:19 geript wrote:@Ace Take a look at FT's NMM game here. I'll be voting for nuking him/ lynching him tomorrow. Basic summary: 1. Huge disparity in activity level (not wholly indicative of scum but at least a point in scum favor) which leads me to believe that he's significantly less confident in himself this game (scum tell) 2. Huge disparity in how he's creating reads and trying to push players (was town in NMM and did a very good job both in pushing his reads and in finding good reads to push [even if he got off track at points]). Looks like he's taking a different tack in approaching his reads = scum tell. 3. Role fishing = scummy 4. I don't have a nuke but I wish I did. I might as well address this... 1. Nope, not really. Yeah, last game I was a bit more active early on but that was because there was so much less to read. In this game, it takes me a lot longer to catch up and form reads. 2. You might want to expand on this. I am doing a good job at finding reads(Vayne and jampi) and pushing them as evidenced by my fervor to tunnel both of them to oblivion. 3. Role fishing? Where? Please point me to one post where I role fish. I will address it directly. 4. This isn't even a point against me. You yourself said that you don't use meta to form reads but all I see in this accusation are meta arguments. Do you have a better reason to accuse me or are you simply defending your scumbuddy Ace?
You missed the subtlety in my accusations. The meta point only applies to #1.
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On July 12 2013 02:37 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 02:35 strongandbig wrote:On July 12 2013 02:28 FirmTofu wrote:
@strongandbig
If you are gonna claim, then claim. Don't fucking soft-claim and let everyone talk about it for 2 hours before you come out and own up to it. Fuck. how is that soft derpburgler Ok, let me make this easy for you. Is your role the Immune One?
lol
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@Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me?
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