EPTOn July 11 2013 15:33 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I'm confused... does this not look sketchy to anyone else?
I'm confused... does this not look sketchy to anyone else?
Not really to me, only because he replaced Abenson though. I sees whence you come.
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Alakaslam
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Not really to me, only because he replaced Abenson though. I sees whence you come. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:40 Onegu wrote: I believe your factory was blown up and I believe you could make nukes, doesnt take much to change the color. I just dont like your play compared to last game where you scum hunted. And your refusal to give a reason for the vayne vote. I don't refuse to give reasons, I just don't know how to make my case. Saying "I really liked his case" is called sheeping, but I have gut reads too. That bein said, you are right and that is why I was about to read Z-boson's filter- even though that was prompted by you, this isn't sheeping. Did I actually scumhunt last game? When? I don't remember doing much besides defend my "precious" tracker role... | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:32 Z-BosoN wrote: You. Check this out. What do you think of Alakaslam? He kinda wants you dead dude. Hehehe I so oo ooo want to say something corny and dumb like "shoulda put it in scum chat bro", but I think it actually could come from town too, following reason: if he thought I was scum, Vayne might be able to catch me in a lie, if I am town Vayne might be forced into a lie. Both town, might clear things up- proving innocence is important for us. Both scum rofl why | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:44 Onegu wrote: You dont have filter links on 2 of the replacements In the meantime try and find one of their posts- pages 95 on, recommend 98. | ||
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On July 11 2013 15:54 Onegu wrote: I am still trying to get my head around the rayn fake claim thing I am just going to re read the whole thread. No km o no no just read 72-75 you will get gist of it relevant pages in my filter don't waste too much time unless you have it in which case by all means but this thread is puffed! | ||
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On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote: 4. Stutters695 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 19. CaucasianAsian 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 13. VayneAuthority 22. jampidampi Has my support helped you? I agree... I wish gumshoe would come back  . Stutters though? Nah I am still null.Z-boson also null for me too now though! How strong you say him? Oh and I hadn't even read your house and I was a disciple of the house,  Was over the moon with "mini Chezinu"! Still Blazinghand gets | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + hey sir, I wish we could join the next newbie together but how is this, as a mod if anyone here has the time to handle two games it's you, so if you feel up to it I won't be sore unless you neglected this game (which is why it's frowned upon, KOCHI). But if thou don't think so, first person dead here joins there? Or would you rather wait or each other and /in simult to troll BH, or... Even wait for each other and hydra it? If you think that is cool I'll PM Blazinghand or you can. Mafia mods and fellow players here in NWM: I can't PM him (or kochi  ) and I don't want to disrupt either game. This is the best way I could think of, sorry if it is the wrong way to go about it. | ||
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On July 11 2013 20:54 jampidampi wrote: So apparently there was somesort of case on me. Let's start by noting how filled it is with confirmation bias. + Show Spoiler [cause it's long] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 Look at the underlined. FirmTofu has already presumed that I'm scum and therefore isn't thinking about it from a perspective that I could be town. jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 Not though given for a possibility where I'm town. The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Or instead of discrediting Rayn, I could be trying to resolve situation and bring my analysis to the attention of others. Almost everyone had taken Rays claim of the nuke at face value, believing that he actually launched it. Yet again not a single thought given from the perspective where I'm town. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Why would I push a Rayn lunch if I had yet to reach a conclusion of his alignment? You'll notice from my posts that my read on Rayn relied heavily on his potential reasons for fakeclaiming the nuke, which he didn't give until after I had already left. FirmTofu seems to be assuming I'm scum trying to lynch Rayn and is not thinking objectively. Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. Then for the actual response. + Show Spoiler [cause this is long too] + On July 10 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: FirmTofu's Suspicion Meter™ FirmTofu's patented suspicion meter is guaranteed to find scum or your money back! Just read carefully and vote accordingly and you will never be disappointed! Target: jampidampi Here we have jampidampi's first post. Let's first establish some context. jampidampi's first post is on page 21. A townie at this point should be looking for people who are actively scummy. He should be actively scumhunting. Instead, we see jampidampi trying to quickly establish town cred by accusing a player(me) who hasn't really contributed to the thread. Sure, it isn't scummy to draw attention to me, but it is scummy to believe that I am the best target to lynch. This play falls more in line with the presumption that jampidampi is scum. Scum jampidampi should be trying to "pretend" he's scumhunting by popping in and accusing lurkers while actually barely contributing at all. Suspicion: +10 jampidampi's filter continues along this same line of thought for quite some time. He continues to avoid causing waves by questioning lurkers who are unlikely to respond to his accusations. Suspicion: +20 If the town is full of lurkers, why would scum step up and become active? Why wouldn't they just lurk it out? Wouldn't is make more sense that there were probably many scum hiding amonst the lurkers? And wouldn't it therefore make more sense if I looked at the mentioned group of people? He does redeem himself however, by saying that Meapak(confirmed town) should be saved. We have to remember that this does not exonerate jampidampi by any means. A scum jampidampi would already know Meapak is town and because Meapak is set to be nuked, he would want to let everyone know that he thinks Meapak is town to establish some town cred. It is tough to say one way or the other, so I consider this quote to be a null read. Suspicion: +0 The Damning Evidence: We all know that rayn didn't launch the nuke. How could he? He was VT. jampidampi seems to know this. All of his statements indicate that he already knows that rayn didn't launch the nuke and is trying to discredit rayn. If jampidampi knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke, he must have known who DID. Therefore, jampidampi could either be the townie that launched the nuke OR he could be on the scumteam that launched the nuke. Scenario 1: jampidampi=town If jampidampi was town and he truly believed that rayn lied about launching the nuke, why didn't he pursue rayn as a lynch target? All he did was try and discredit him! Scenario 2: jampidampi=town This seems to be the most logical conclusion, assuming that jampidampi already knew that rayn didn't launch the nuke. Therefore, if you believe that jampidampi knew rayn didn't launch the nuke, the most logical approach would be to assume that jampidampi is scum. Suspicion: +50 Suspicion Meter Report: 80 Suggested Course of Action: Lynch Target I believe that jampidampi targeted Meapak with the nuke secretly. Once rayn claimed he had launched the nuke, scum jampidampi decided he could discredit him to get free town cred After all, he knew MZ was town and he knew rayn was lying. He knew that, eventually, rayn would cave in to his pressure and be caught lying, placing rayn in a difficult position. I don't see how my post in any way implies I knew Rayn didn't launch the nuke. You don't even rationalize why the most core part of your suspicion is true, you just state it and leave it as it is. At first I thought your point about lurkers was excellent, then I just realized it is WIFOM. Scum would go active to push agenda and take advantage of lynch all lurkers hurting town 100%... . | ||
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I wanted to get the nuke into town hands, if I was scum much easier to put in scum hands. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote: I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Read recent thread again and wtf lynch Ace? For the first time rather than OMGIS I smell OMGUS........... Why tofu why? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote: four, at least also im voting va ##vote: vayneauthority i think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him. Wait why?, expand. I was there before and switched to maju, so why is he better than maju? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote: Did you just claim? Oh and I am re reading the thread now on page 81, but also checking in to refresh the page and see new content. This is wise. Well I am thinking Maju and VA may be scum, but why does stutters keep getting a free pass, as people have said? Vote is still on maju... | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:27 geript wrote: Have you played with Maju before? Why would you think this? Have you? What would you think of his meta then? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:40 geript wrote: @Austin. Imma go take a lunch break and get the oil in my car changed. Mind reading up on FT. You seeing what I'm seeing or am I just being me? We are of one blood, ye and I. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:42 Koshi wrote: I officially voted for MajuGarzett. I think I will only change it if suddenly an insane train for FirmTofu starts. I think this shall happen. | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote: and yea don't block the jampi nuke whoever was thinking of doing that, if we missed on maju there's a good chance jampi is scum And what if maju is scum? You lookin so scummy to me but whateffer. | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote: And I dont really see how pre flip association is scummy, Idk why you guys keep saying that. It's a towntell if anything since I don't have any of the answers. What you are doing is saying more people should die in uncertainty than less. Stop the nuke, If we missed this time Jampi is an easy next lynch. He has been looking town. I agree with Xatalos! | ||
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Wait what? ##confused | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote: I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that. Can you quote yourself on it? I have gotten confused | ||
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