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On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote: Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. Yeah, pretty much. You didn't respond to any of my accusations so I decided you were a better vigi target than Vayne. Had you responded, I would have recommended Maju to nuke Vayne. You claim a role which 2 people have claimed already. You have no breadcrumb trail to aid your cause, unlike Onegu. You are far from confirmed town yet. I'm not going to address your defense yet because you are a dead man walking. On July 11 2013 23:03 Ace wrote: Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that? We have yet to hear from a role that can give out nukes on night 1. If any such person wants to claim and exonerate you, I would be willing to reconsider a lynch on you. Otherwise, you need to be under scrutiny. 1) We were running on a strict time limit. Bringing you up would derail the thread and confuse Maju. We needed a lurker dead, and I needed to focus on that task before moving on to the next one. 2) When did you say what? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote: FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:43 Xatalos wrote: So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself?  That would be super duper amazing. ^_^ | ||
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Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote: Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy? Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If you are 1 shot and he is 2 shot, he is likely scum. If you are both 2 shot, we can't really tell one way or another. | ||
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Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:57 geript wrote: You see. Here is where this line of thought fails. We've had multiple multiples in this game. The only one we haven't so far as I've known are Doctor and hacker. Yet because there are multiple defense grids this automatically makes Oats scum. Why not making Onegu scum or Xatalos scum. I remember liking you early on I think but me no likey right now. In regards to Onegu/Xatalos/jampidampi, Onegu has breadcrumbs that give credence to his claim. Xatalos was the first to claim and only did so after he got nuked. How could he come up with a full town pm if he was scum? You don't need to tell me how many defenses you have. I was wrong in my assumption that some blues can be stronger than others. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: I thought you lied, ok sorry. I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. You explicitly stated that you wanted to nuke someone before you died. If you are town, you would probably expect to die tonight. Is it not in your best interest to use your nuke before night ends? Do you plan on doing so? | ||
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There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:08 geript wrote: Why you so concerned with people's roles and shit? What does this have to do with his role? I'm asking if he intends to use his nuke before the end of the night. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:10 Ace wrote: I missed the deadline for nuking. I didn't know we could nuke at night. If that is true I will definitely consider doing it. Too many lurkers around. Alright, Ace. I'm just trying to get the facts around your story straight. Correct me if any of this is wrong. Ace's Nuke Story You received a nuke on Day 2(today). Then, you were nuked. You decided to tell everyone that you have a nuke and you are going to use it before you die. Oats shoots down the nuke that was going to kill you. You are now considering nuking a lurker Day 2/Night 2. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote: Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. | ||
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If you are gonna claim, then claim. Don't fucking soft-claim and let everyone talk about it for 2 hours before you come out and own up to it. Fuck. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:19 geript wrote: @Ace Take a look at FT's NMM game here. I'll be voting for nuking him/ lynching him tomorrow. Basic summary: 1. Huge disparity in activity level (not wholly indicative of scum but at least a point in scum favor) which leads me to believe that he's significantly less confident in himself this game (scum tell) 2. Huge disparity in how he's creating reads and trying to push players (was town in NMM and did a very good job both in pushing his reads and in finding good reads to push [even if he got off track at points]). Looks like he's taking a different tack in approaching his reads = scum tell. 3. Role fishing = scummy 4. I don't have a nuke but I wish I did. I might as well address this... 1. Nope, not really. Yeah, last game I was a bit more active early on but that was because there was so much less to read. In this game, it takes me a lot longer to catch up and form reads. 2. You might want to expand on this. I am doing a good job at finding reads(Vayne and jampi) and pushing them as evidenced by my fervor to tunnel both of them to oblivion. 3. Role fishing? Where? Please point me to one post where I role fish. I will address it directly. 4. This isn't even a point against me. You yourself said that you don't use meta to form reads but all I see in this accusation are meta arguments. Do you have a better reason to accuse me or are you simply defending your scumbuddy Ace? | ||
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Ok, let me make this easy for you. Is your role the Immune One? | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:38 geript wrote: You missed the subtlety in my accusations. The meta point only applies to #1. Explain to me how #2 is not meta. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:39 austinmcc wrote: Talk to sleeping austin and working austin about that. Lotta stuff went down in a small period of time. I don't care whether artanis is a bastard host or not, some of these roles most certainly exist on both sides (or people are just fake claiming). For instance, in game where ZERO people have claimed radiation nukes, we have 3-4 people claiming immune one. I read that as some people fake claiming, and an indicator that radiation nukes are a scum (possibly 3P) mechanic. OP also has to go and say "many types of nukes," which may or may not be artanis getting cheeky, but indicates that there should be more than just nukes and radiation nukes. I dunno, I found jampidampi's response to rayn's stuff very scummy. I haven't gone back over all this recent maju stuff, but ... I don't think I'd save him if it were me. Don't believe we've got 4 town immune ones, although maybe 1/2 the thread dies of radiation poisoning tonight and we realize it's a bigger mechanic than we thought. I agree. People are lying about the Immune One claim and we need to address some of these claims. We can't just run around confirming all these people because they claim. I think jampidampi has the weakest claim and SnB comes up at a close second for worst claim. The only reason I'm a little hesitant to say SnB is lying is because he really had no reason to claim if he was scum. It unnecessarily draws attention to himself. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:41 Xatalos wrote: I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together): Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct. Saving jampi should be independent of the decision to lynch. Supposing we lynch Maju, letting jampi die gives us insurance against option 3 & 4. Also, with SnB's claim, I don't really see how you can still endorse the lynch on Maju. | ||
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