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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 18:29 GMT
#2287
On July 12 2013 03:18 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 01:14 geript wrote:
##vote majuGarzett

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:12 geript wrote:
##vote majugarzett]



this is really sad geript lol

Wasn't bold. Posting from phone. Stop hating
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 18:47 GMT
#2291
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 18:58 GMT
#2303
On July 12 2013 03:49 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote:
Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi.


How come?

Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi:

1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears.
2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers.
3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!!
4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum.
5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him.

Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really.

And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes.

As a matter of fact:
##defend jampidampi

Let's get a lynch contest going.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:00 GMT
#2308
I think he's scum but for different reasons. @austin
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:01 GMT
#2310
On July 12 2013 04:00 FirmTofu wrote:
geript, if you are town, you are playing against your alignment. How can you honestly say that jampidampi is the most likely to be town out of all the immune one claims?

I had a town read on you all game until now. Ugh.

If you read my post, nothing in it even assumes Jampi is town.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#2318
On July 12 2013 04:04 austinmcc wrote:
geript wtf. The OP says there are many different types of nukes. You're making an assumption that explicitly is contradicted by host text.

You assume he becomes "superpowered," which people keep saying, but I don't think that word means what they think it means. Nobody yet has claimed to gain superpowers from being nuked, and that makes no sense.

You assume there's an "infinite vig" for no reason.

You just...the whole situation is still the same. Now what, we lynch him? And he either flips town or scum. You didn't do anything but kick a can down the road, as far as my initial thoughts play out. Going "we don't know if he's town or scum" is meaningless, because we still don't, and ....... whargl blargl. That's about it.

Except now people have to decide who they want to lynch instead of bandwagoning. So we actually get information. Besides, look at Jampi's first post. He's suspicious of Maju. No way in hell Maju fires a nuke at fellow scum unless it's in their benefit (in which case we want it stopped). There's literally no detriment to this play.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:11 GMT
#2320
On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:
1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game?

Artanis: Yes

2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"?

Artanis: No

I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see:

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster.


WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL?????

Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:17 GMT
#2323
On July 12 2013 04:15 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:
On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:
1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game?

Artanis: Yes

2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"?

Artanis: No

I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see:

On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster.


WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL?????

Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.

You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective.

1Bastard Hostery--pretty simple.
2Not defensive, just telling people to get their shit together because wasting time actually trying to pin me as scum is worthless. If I'm not obv town on day 1 then I'm scum.
3 I have rtft
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:18 GMT
#2325
On July 12 2013 04:15 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote:
On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote:
1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game?

Artanis: Yes

2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"?

Artanis: No

I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see:

On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote:
Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster.


WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL?????

Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision.

You still haven't explained why you made the assumption that all nukes are radiation nukes. Why are you getting all defensive? Justify your actions from a town perspective.

Now time for you to justify why you're all so up in arms solely about my shooting shit down instead of firing at Vayne over Jampi.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:35 GMT
#2335
On July 12 2013 04:30 Xatalos wrote:
Worst of all is that you just did it (with 100% faulty logic as your reasoning!!!) without asking anyone. Like, wtf? Can you be this anti-town as town?

This is exceptionally tame in comparison. But I really doubt that I'm saving scum instead of town. I'd put money on saving town myself.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 19:41 GMT
#2340
@Xatalos... so you're trying to say that I'm bad for shooting down the nuke that saves Maju because it forced us to vote for Jampi instead of Maju? You agree that both aren't likely scum correct?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:07 GMT
#2352
On July 12 2013 05:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey out of class but still on phone. We need everyone that is on the Vayne wagon to get their asses on the jampidampi wagon now. We've only got 2 hours till lynch so this needs to happen ASAP.

Why? Why is Jampi more likely to be scum than Maju?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:12 GMT
#2357
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#2366
On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up.
The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.

If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.

Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine.

I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor.

Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:21 GMT
#2368
On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:
On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote:
Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up.
The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.

If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.

Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine.

I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor.

Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it.

NM I can't fucking read
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:25 GMT
#2372
On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote:\
If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die.

I'd like to point out though, the the same thing applies to him being scum. He starts garnering votes has a nuke and doesn't want to die with it, it's just as equally likely for him to try and find a reasonable target for it to land on. That said, I'm actually thinking right now that if Maju is town, then Ace is scum which fits with Rayn's reasoning and makes sense of the situation. So I'm going to switch to jampi I guess.

sidenote: do the icons by the name have any sort of significance?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:31 GMT
#2376
On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons.

geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth.

hmmm Why don't I have an ultralisk then? (That's the zerg big thing with claws right? The end-game big guy? I don't watch enough SC2 to remember what's what half the time)
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:41 GMT
#2385
ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi.

Maju:
1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral
2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral
3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy
4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy
5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy
6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy

Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 20:58 GMT
#2387
Jampi:
1. Seems to know that Rayn didn't fire the mystery nuke (scum) but provides ok reasoning for it neutral
2. Brings up valid points on the Maju nuke after his "death nuke" towny
3. Most of his filter is about the rayn-nuke situation scummy
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
July 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#2392
idk. Not quite sure I dislike jampi more than maju. Maju looks to have more of a scum agenda.
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