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On June 23 2013 04:11 Hapahauli wrote: I don't think DP is a good lynch for today. There are aspects of his play I don't like, however I feel that the reasons people have been suspicious of him for (myself included) are fairly inexact and within the realm of town-DP. He is a very null read for me, but that doesn't justify lynching him right now. One of the main arguments seems to be that there's a lack of engagement on his part than their normal town persona, but that could be said about half the players in this game right now (and obv not all of them can be scum). I like ObviousOne's play in the last few pages. It's not aesthetically pleasing, but it seems genuine and town-motivated. Sylencia/Adam also get the replacement-pass for today. I think this is a pretty messy post. What I see is a hesitation / aversion to lynching DP, but pretty vague justifications. On June 23 2013 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: It requires far too many assumptions. Firstly, it's a secret vote, so the pool of candidates isn't necessarily comprised of only the people suspicious of you in the thread. Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability. At the very least, I'm not making my decision based on that assumption. On June 23 2013 05:08 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway, I keep reading through DP's filter looking for anything lynchable and I can't find anything. Even the "lack of engagement" is explainable by the fact that he's literally always busy on Saturdays in every one of his TL games ever. I still don't think DP is a good lynch. I think it's more than possible that the secret vote (which is presumably sent by PM) could have been sent by one of the lurkers, and I want to lynch into one of them. SloOsh or Ange I think. Maybe a YOLO SWAG lynch on Adam cause he hasn't shown up (but no not really). Again, taking a generous view of DP, and another shoddy reason for it. Earlier he said he doesn't like assuming it's a mafia ability. Yet he cites the secret vote as a reason to lynch into the lurkers. On June 23 2013 07:05 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote GoodKarma I can excuse DP's behavior on the grounds that he's generally busy on weekends. I don't like his play, but I feel it could come from a town DP. I can't really excuse GK's behavior so far. He's made two bad cases (Oats and Shaio), and isn't pushing either one of them. Compared to Les Mis (where he was actively seeking to consolidate his vote), he just plopped his vote on Shaio and is content to let it rot there. I think Ange pointed it out prior, but he is excusing DP but not GK. Excusing the now flipped scum DP over GK. So what I see is a general aversion to the DP lynch, and some shoddy justifications for fighting it. | ||
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Particularly people like goodkarma, ShiaoPi, cora and Adam, this new stuff a good place to make contributions. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: There's not a great deal to say about it. I agree, objectively it doesn't look great. In an extremely similar fashion to how my actions around the lynch don't look great either. I can fully empathise with his stance. This 'objectively' not looking great stuff is, for me, easily trumped by the meta read and feels I have on Hapa, and his extremely clear interest in the game and in constructive dialogue with other players. Further I'd note that at least a couple of your quotes deal with him saying that assuming DP was the secret voter was stupid, and he was right, DP wasn't the secret voter. I'm not sure what you're trying to make of that. Cool, then I think the 57~60 interaction is a good place where we can discuss more behavior. And I think my quote is fine. The part I bolded says "Secondly, I don't like assuming that it's a mafia ability." It has nothing to do with DP, but the fact that he says this about the secret vote but later uses it as a reason for voting into lurkers. | ||
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On June 24 2013 01:41 marvellosity wrote: I also rather think you have some causality mixed up, or at least I read the post differently. You said he was using the secret vote to lynch into the lurkers, I understood it that he wanted to lynch into the lurkers anyway, and he was stating that there was a decent chance the secret vote came from them. Perhaps the order was flipped, but it should stand as a point against, not for, voting lurkers, based on his previous post no? | ||
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pg 57~60 when you can please! | ||
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So, I'm buying into the possibility that GK is scum, or rather, that wagons could have been split between 2 scum because pg38 ~ 42ish show rayn making a very good effort in trying to diffuse the DP wagon and start anything else possible (mainly yamato / OO / me). He bounced out at pg 42, and GK wagon built up steam starting around 48. The end. | ||
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I haven't actually read GK / Shiao's newer posts yet, I just saw the flip and reread that stuff. I'll be back in ~6ish hours to chat (but y'all know how flaky I can be, so don't hold your bowels ^^) | ||
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3) Drug their food with a poison that only kills fake C.I.D. Investigators and that bypasses any form of protection. | ||
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On June 25 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote: sloosh thoughts on Adam and actual analysis of GK's behavior? Adam looked decent considering the rayn interaction. Rereading some of GK's posts right now | ||
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On June 25 2013 00:20 goodkarma wrote: Some food for thought too: I'm the jailkeeper. I jailed Yamato last night. May not be the optimal time, but whatevs you guys figure out what the fuck it means that Yamato died the way he did even with my action on him. I'm out for now. cya. Why did you target yamato? | ||
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Adam looks fine because his thinking process is solid and, I believe, hard to manufacture. Why? Because he had rayn as a decent town read and the logical steps he took in making sense of the D1 wagons are the steps I would have taken. The problems and issues that he encountered are the ones I would expect myself (or any critical thinking town player) to go through. I actually had rayn as town because I mistook his aggressive questioning as critical thinking, when in fact it was trying to undercut and push mislynches. So it's not unreasonable for Adam to make the same call on him. All in all, Adam is town because he thinks like me. | ||
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E.g. you can't stop the mafia from shooting the bullet but you can protect the people it's aimed at. | ||
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I'm always iffy around lynching emotional players (since that stuff is harder to read for me, ask VE anytime). I guess the biggest thing for me is that GK's role stuff. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation that people with power roles to read them, read the OP again maybe and double check that stuff on their own. The fact that he says On June 25 2013 00:20 goodkarma wrote: Some food for thought too: I'm the jailkeeper. I jailed Yamato last night. May not be the optimal time, but whatevs you guys figure out what the fuck it means that Yamato died the way he did even with my action on him. I'm out for now. cya. means he isn't doing basic reading anymore. Earlier on in the day he was posting (before the I want to quit) stuff, and yet he spent no time whatsoever trying to figure out why his role didn't work. ... yea maybe we are thinking about this too hard. ##Vote: goodkarma | ||
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