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@Hapa:
On June 24 2013 05:32 ShiaoPi wrote:
EBWOP:
FUCK totally missed my post that turned me to awesome reaver!! aww yeah
Doing this, while providing nothing of any substantial value, I consider trolling. Maybe I should be more lenient of this shit as it's night-time and we can't lynch right now, but considering that he's literally had no input of any kind for so long and pops in only to make a post like this this I find unsettling (and two before along the lines of no questions for me? kthxbye...).
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@Corazon:
From the OP:
"Overview: This is a closed setup. There are no standard notifications (RB, save, hit) in this game and there will be full role reveal on death. Passive abilities and factional KP cannot be roleblocked. The town win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players."
So either you are lying, or the host is.
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On June 24 2013 08:51 Hapahauli wrote:
I'll also state that I think Cora is really, really townie.
There are certain people that are off-limits for scum to attack (obvious townies, etc), because scum fundamentally want to blend in.
So when Cora is going off and being suspicious of players like OO, sloOsh, and Ange, that's 100% paranoid townie. Suspicions like that attract attention like crazy, and scum really just want to play along.
I'm inclined to agree with you Hapa.
The more telling thing there is that Cora has a mod-confirmed RB, and having soft-claimed blue, I find it much more likely scum would feel inclined to do this than town.
I agree on Oats too. I honestly don't have much more to say there.
Those on the DP wagon are still likely town. So that leaves you, me, Adam, and Shao.
Everything you've done recently has me inclined to believe you're town. You are just soooo much involved in trying to solve this game I find it very hard to believe you're faking it as scum.
Adam also I believe to be town, as he shows an active involvement in the game.
I'm obvtown.
That ONLY LEAVES Shao. By process of elimination, Shao must be the last scum.
##Vote: Shao
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On June 24 2013 10:07 Hapahauli wrote:
@ GK
Is Shiao really the only scumread you have in this game?
Because "I agree with all of you regarding your town reads, Shiao has to be scum" is a bit hollow.
In one word: yes.
I'm assuming given our knowledge of the setup we're most likely left with only one scum. In such a case, Shao is the most likely to be scum, not only for his scummy behavior, but because I have townreads on literally everyone else in the game right now.
Not really hollow. Just a logical conclusion to this whole ordeal. I'm fairly confident I've found the last scum.
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In any case I'm taking a nap. Talk to you guys later. Hopefully you come to some kind of consensus by then on what should be done this cycle for the lynch.
More important in my mind is devising a semi-foolproof long-term plan. I'm pretty convinced that this game can be more or less "solved" this cycle. If for some really odd reason Shao is town, then clearly one of my townreads is wrong. I'll probably come up with some kind of list here to devise order of priority for lynch should something fail so that we eliminate (or at the very least greatly minimize) our chances of getting endgamed by scum. Honestly I feel these chances are slim at this point, but no reason not to play cautiously.
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I've honestly grown pretty tired of this game, and all the bullshit it entails.
Every. Fucking. Game. People want to lynch me for stuff I do day one. Regardless of alignment. And said stuff just carries over endlessly until either the game ends or I am lynched. Sorry Marv, but I'm never ever ever reading role PM's day 1 ever again.
So here's the situation:
I think there's merit to everyone being town at this point, including Shao. So we have nine people, and among them I'd assume one scum (two would be a bit odd with 2 3P, which should go without saying). As such, we determine who to lynch and in what order today.
We can afford three mislynches, or 4 tries at this in total.
If we take Corazon to be "modconfirmed town," and assume that everyone on DP wagon is town, we're left with this situation.: We lynch into Oats, Adam, Shao, Hapa. It's just a matter of order.
Honestly, at this point, I'll probably just sheep whatever Obvious/Corazon/Coag/Sloosh come to a consensus on. I'm kind of worn out this game, and I don't need to be some kind of master scumhunter this game. We lynch between those four targets the next four days we should win.
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Some food for thought too:
I'm the jailkeeper. I jailed Yamato last night.
May not be the optimal time, but whatevs you guys figure out what the fuck it means that Yamato died the way he did even with my action on him. I'm out for now. cya.
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If that's the consensus then whatevs.
##Unvote
##Vote: GK
Kinda a pain, as that means between Hapa, Oats, Adam, Shao, you need to determine one you absolutely believe to be townie in determining the last scum. Sadly, I would say Adam is someone I like more than the other three right now.
Best of luck. Don't really care to "solve the game," like I usually try to do. If town really truly fails three times after mislynching me, then it deserves to lose. Especially considering the calibur of player that will be remaining in game even at LYLO (if it comes to that) isn't terribly bad in any way (surprisingly)...
Picked Yamato because he thinks similarly to me as town, and I saw that type of mentality here. Voting on the DP wagon also put him on the list of "very likely town," so made him the best candidate in my mind. Obvious I also considered, given the mislynch push on him by flipped scum put him at near confirmed town. Ange actually didn't come to mind at the time. She had "internet troubles" for a good deal of the day, and my biggest concern as JK was to find a likely town I felt would 1) likely be able to carrry town to victory, and 2) would be a likely candidate to get shot by scum. Yamato fit best in my mind. And any arguements like "Ange was obvious JK choice," are making pants-on-head retarded arguements. It's super-easy to say shit like that in retrospect post-flip.
Be sure to not have some built-in bias and reassess the game anew after my flip. Like that really is a big piece of this is build in bias. Sure I haven't done oodles of stuff in finding scum, but quite frankly, several people are just as guilty of me in this category. So what it comes down to is you don't like my writing style, or don't like that I'm not perma-inthread, or don't like I don't ask a shitload of pointless questions, or so on... What questions I've asked I've clarified, and what cases I've made I've clarified. I really don't care to retread anything I've done to date.
Those leading this wagon (Shao and Hapa), to the extent of my knowledge, have both EXCLUSIVELY played with me when I've been scum, so I imagine they have bias there as well. They keep trying to match up what I've done as scum, and have not tried worth fucking shit to see if I would be capable of doing that as town. In other words, they're making piss-poor meta arguements. Sure you could say this guy has "objectively scummy" play or whatever, but honestly, some of the case points I've seen recently are absolute crap. Like "your posts are long": THAT's HOW I FUCKING WRITE. "Your roleclaim is convenient": This is a point made with the complete bias of looking in retrospect at how people flipped. "Maybe you should change your day one playstyle": I could go into great depth as to how that wouldn't change anything (I've tried numerous different things actually), and how this is more about how I write and process information than anything. The TL;DR of it: Fuck off Hapa.
Anyway, that's more or less my farewell post. I'd highly recommend you orient discussion to who you're going to lynch after I flip. And though I know it's impossible for some of you, hopefully you can look at the game fresh. Also consider "confirmed townies" and leave no stone unturned. There is almost zero percent chance that Coag is scum. Dayvig and regular vig scumroles would be just flat-out ridiculous. Obvious and sloosh, though I feel are very highly unlikely to be scum, might as well be considered as well just to be complete and thorough. That's how I'd go about it if I actually cared.
And please do mislynch me. I'm sick of the stupid shit I've had to try do defend myself against this game (and pretty much every other game I've ever played). Consider this my last game.
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Before you go "I don't want this guy at LYLO," maybe you should visualize how the rest of the game might transpire first? Like who are you going to lynch and when? Hapa was discussing coming up with a plan (if I recall correctly anyway... filter-diving too much effort.). Maybe that's what scum feared most?
In any case it makes the game much easier if truly scumteam didn't bus day one. That means you lynch Adam, Oats, and me in whatever order you want and you win. I'm still inclined to run with this scenario for the time being though idk maybe it's wrong. Of those the guy who probably would be most likely to not concede in a lost scumgame would be Oats.
##Vote: Oats
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To say I don't contribute is just hurtful.
T_T
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Oh wells have fun when I flip town guys <3
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On June 29 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I gotta sleep, wont be back before lynch.
Coag or Cora, leave me for tmr.
I am way more active than GK and the less people you get to, the better it is to have active people and not people who post once a day.
Activity =/= quality
And were you intent on finding scum, or just calling all active people townies? Because these two things don't necessarily coincide with each other. Like at all.
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On June 29 2013 06:01 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2013 05:23 goodkarma wrote:On June 29 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
I gotta sleep, wont be back before lynch.
Coag or Cora, leave me for tmr.
I am way more active than GK and the less people you get to, the better it is to have active people and not people who post once a day. Activity =/= quality And were you intent on finding scum, or just calling all active people townies? Because these two things don't necessarily coincide with each other. Like at all. yeah well 1 shit post every 3 days doesnt = activity OR quality.
You're one to talk about quality lol.
For consolidation:
##Unvote
##Vote: GK
For all of you when I flip town:
Puppy-kickers:
Oats
Adam
sloosh
Obvious
Obvtown:
GK
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The game won't have ended lol.
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Meh. Wish I'd had a more ceremonious exit, but whatevs. Last game. This game was just so senseless, and honestly this just isn't fun anymore.
Best of luck to you guys. Hopefully no hard feelings or whatnot.
Cya
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