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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 22 2013 23:15 GMT
#1058
Oh yeah! I need to go to bed now but I don't know whether I can sleep with all the adrenaline
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:20 GMT
#1263
So there has been quite some discussion going on today.

@Coag:

On June 23 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote:
im not vigi. if ur town u will be nightkilled tho.


On June 23 2013 08:36 Coagulation wrote:
how the fuck are you people getting town reads on marv. hes playing so scummy.....


Why do you think a town marv will be nightkilled if you yourself perceive him to be so scummy? I am not sure I understand your thought process.

I really don't like your posting and your focus on marv. Yes, you have been helped to sucessfully lynch scum but this does not free you from the responsibility of looking for other scum players. So I'd like to see you come up with some more scum reads because there is no way this is a 2 scum team.

@Hapa:

On June 23 2013 08:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Coag, at a certain point, if you want to call marv scum, do so sanely and constructively. Because the whole
foaming at the mouth "marv is scum trolololololol" doesn't really cut it for me, nor for the rest of the people here.

I also still don't understand the giant gap in analysis that you have regarding the DP vote - your analysis and thought process is literally only valid if GK isn't mafia.


I am not sure what exactly you are refering to in your question.


♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:21 GMT
#1264
Well that really is a lot of green.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:22 GMT
#1266
@Sloosh:

On June 23 2013 10:41 slOosh wrote:
p.s.
Marv's point about cora is pertinent here. Cora thought DP was town, but didn't (or couldn't) make an effort to move the lynch onto goodkarma. If anything that is some town points. Cora you don't look as bad (at least to me) as you may think.

Let's not waste this night. I want discussion about tomorrow's lynch to happen tonight before the NKs.

I forsaw Oats' mislynch in Roulette but didn't voice it, so this time I'll go on record and say that my #1 preference for tomorrow isn't goodkarma or cora. Reasoning / backup will follow later when I have more time (but if I can't, put this in your back pocket as consideration).


I don't see why you say that Cora gets town points for not trying to move the lynch onto his scum read.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:24 GMT
#1268
Marv, I don't understand how you can give Adam a townish read when he actually voted for the "wrong" person. He did replace someone so yes, he get's some more time but how can you put Adam above Sloosh? Sloosh's vote was the one vote that secured the DP lynch.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:27 GMT
#1269
@Adam:

On June 23 2013 14:15 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 14:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On June 23 2013 14:01 Adam4167 wrote:
No. There's being unintentionally bad, where I will try to figure you out (go see duel mafia and my read on sylencia), and then being intentionally bad, such as Kush in smurf. You don't want to put the effort into playing properly, then i don't want you around with the idea lingering in the back of my head that you could be scum playing us for fools.


We're not lynching Oats unless we think he's scum. Period.

Do you think Oats is scum? Also presumably you caught-up with the thread now that you're posting - who are your other scum-reads?


I am reasonably caught up.

Right now I want to see more out of GoodKarma, ShioaPi and Raynpelikoneet. Oats would be on this list as well if he weren't playing like a dick.

I consider everyone on the DP wagon to be out of the question for tomorrow.

Those of us that were on GK yesterday, I actually have some of my better townreads on: Cora, Marv and yourself (in that order).



Can you please clarify on the subject of your townreads? Are you saying that Cora, Marv and Hapa are your stronger town reads among the people who voted on GK or in general? What makes you so sure about them being town?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:34 GMT
#1271
To be honest I really don't see scum ShiaoPi right now. Yes, his inactivity is troubling but in I Swear he showed that he can actually play scum differently. Reverting back to his absolutely lurking scum meta from the past just simply does not make any sense for me.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:38 GMT
#1272
That would leave us with your other scum read goodkarma. I am not so sure whether I really can believe that we had two scum as our lynch targets on day 1 ... seems unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. I haven't seen much from him to actually change my mind about his play but in light of the flip I am unsure about lynching him. I still want to see a second scum read from him.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:41 GMT
#1274
So you are now more sure about lynching ShiaoPi than goodkarma?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:43 GMT
#1276
Marv, actually I would like you to explain more about your read on Cora and rayn as well.

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 11:50 GMT
#1279
On June 23 2013 20:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna discuss adam right now actually.

What do you think of him trying to lynch me for being bad but having all the people he brought up for being bad flipped town?

Actually what do you guys think of the whole part where I was being an asshole and bad?


I really do hope that when you are talking about being an asshole and bad in the past tense that that chapter is closed and will not be opened ever again in your mafia career. I flicked through the post game of Roulette and saw people praising you for your play and proving your innocence. It would help us if you could stick to that.

On to the topic of lynching you. Your hapa case - Hapa is scum. Lynch him. - wasn't very helpful. If you are actually suspecting him of being scum come up with a real case. Seeing you post like that certainly makes me think that we would not lose an asset to town if you were dead.

I don't feel I can comment well on Adam. There just isn't much there to evaluate.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:07 GMT
#1282
On June 23 2013 20:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 20:43 Ange777 wrote:
Marv, actually I would like you to explain more about your read on Cora and rayn as well.



rayn seems to me to have put in some of the most effort on Day 1 into solving the game. A lot of his posts show inquisitive thinking and trying to determine motives. He just seems very interested in solving the game. I feel somewhat less strongly than I did on Day 1 for reason already mentioned, so we'll see where he goes from here.

I agree with... um... someone? :D who said that DP flipping red actually makes Corazon look quite a bit better than DP flipping green. If they're mafia together then Corazon really didn't try to push the lynch off DP onto GK at all. The issue with this is that it relies on the assumption that GK is green, which isn't one we can really make with any certainty at this stage. Other than that his posts read genuine enough, his bitch argument with me is the same bitch argument we always seem to have when he's town. He seems to care although his absence around the lynch is a bit concerning.


I feel the same about rayn.

Cora though ... I just don't see the logic behind that statement. You are basically saying we can't assume that goodkarma is green therefore you have to assume that Cora is green?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:14 GMT
#1284
Just to be clear, I had Cora as town until that halfhearted push on goodkarma. But take that push and his seemingly opportunistic (blue) role claim or not claim (why even mention it? Mentioning it can only be in order to make people doubt their scum read on him and will make him prone for possible roleblocks) and I don't see how you can so happily put him on your town list.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1286
Well if he is indeed mafia, then I believe he has sucessfully made town worry about killing off their blues. I assume you meant "if he is indeed blue"?

I am racking my brain but I really have difficulties to understand what you are trying to explain to me. Is it this?

Cora has a town read on DarthPunk (flipped scum). He says he doesn't want his town read DarthPunk dead, therefore votes goodkarma. Only if we know that goodkarma is green and Cora tried to push the lynch from a scum player to a town player, we can peg him as scum?

What if - speculations incoming - goodkarma is a mafia goon. Losing their mafia goon instead of their godfather would certainly be a better trade, especially as DarthPunk is considered a better scum player than goodkarma by a lot of us. If the above really is what you wanted to tell me, than I don't think it's logic is as sound as you think it is.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:33 GMT
#1287
On June 23 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
no kidding that wasnt helpful. It wasnt meant to be helpful. It was meant to be funny. Also I was way lazy and got decent reactions from it though.


I dont wanna lynch hapa as I said earlier.


So who do you want to lynch? Adam?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:34 GMT
#1288
EBWOP:

Oats, did you actually seriously refuted hapa's case on you? I don't remember reading a defense.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 12:58 GMT
#1299
On June 23 2013 21:38 marvellosity wrote:
No, I meant if he's mafia fakeclaiming, then they're gonna have to hide their roleblock on him otherwise he's gonna have to answer some tricky questions. So they won't be roleblocking other, potential blues.


Ah ok.


Also no, that's not what I was getting at at all. Sigh. That's not what I've written either, I guess it's a language barrier thing. I'm trying to say that Corazon would look signifcantly *worse* if GK was also scum rather than if GK was town (because in this scenario Corazon barely tried to get the lynch off DP).


I think I finally understand what you are saying. Sorry for having to explain it over and over again. I am not sure I agree with it yet, I'll have to think about it.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 13:03 GMT
#1300
Oats, while you are asking for more effort in other people's scum reads, how about you show some effort yourself? I will not lynch Adam based on you simply asking for it. Stop being so lazy and do some work, please!

♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 13:10 GMT
#1301
@Yamato:

So you agree with marv that the red flip didn't affect the towniness of the players on the goodkarma wagon?
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
June 23 2013 13:10 GMT
#1302
EBWOP:

@Adam:

So you agree with marv that the red flip didn't affect the towniness of the players on the goodkarma wagon?

Sorry, wrong name.
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
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