EPTOn June 11 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Him being a replacement makes him town, how?
Him being a replacement makes him town, how?
It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post.
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It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Vig him hapa. Vig him or GK. Vig BH so he cant mislynch me. pls. pls. What about GK's first post is so scummy that I should vig him for it? It's fairly common practice to give replacements a cycle to let them catch up in the thread and read them. Making hasty decisions about GK isn't necessary. What is your read on BH right now? | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Stutters isnt scum, he plays like this all the timeeeeee. Ok. GK is scum cause he has no scum reads over 27 pages and wants to kill lurkers who are the same every game. EXCEPT Syl isnt actually being lurky this game and you can totally read him. Also, he criticizes a town lynch. To look like he wouldve done differently. This isnt a hasty decision, that was a horrifically scummy post. Talk to me about your Syl read. And Stutters. Secondly, you can't expect GK to replace in, and immediately read 27 pages of filter within an hour. He said he'd catch up tomorrow morning, so let him catch up and then make a decision about it based on his reads. That's my plan anyway. It makes him nothing. It makes him null. You can't read a guy off of one post. Not true. Correction: you can't reliably read someone off of one post. | ||
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On June 11 2013 15:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Its more difficult as scum to fabricate a scum read cause they already know who is scum. So unless they want to attack their teammates, they have to fake a scumread off stuff they know comes from town. However for town, at the start of the game, you have no idea who looks like scum. Then you read peoples filter and the game, scumreads will come. There will be people you think are scum. Being correct or not doesnt really come into it. Thats when you flip your read. But no town player at the end of day 1 should be like, "i have no clue who is scum". So therefore not having a scum read or scum reads is scummy. I used to have that problem playing scum, like I would delay by saying I dont know who is scum then trying my hardest to find someone. I completely disagree with this. I've played many many games of mafia, and through all my experiences, there's no correlation between people who have no scumreads and being scummy. In fact, the scummiest thing you can do in GK's situation is to immediately replace in and have an extraordinarily "clean" story. For example you see scum very often replace into a game and immediately be confident and know what's going on, enough to fudge 1-2 scum-reads and "push" them. | ||
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Also regarding your read on Syl... Syl is town cause he is trying to win the game, not staying in the background. It doesn't seem like Syl is at the forefront of things, and I really don't get the sense of "not staying in the background" from his posting that you seem to. So what specifically about his posting makes him town? Also, how is his posting different in this game as compared to his scum games? | ||
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On June 11 2013 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: If hapa shoots me lynch him. Also, I've made it very clear that I think you are town and I wouldn't shoot you. My choice today is between BH and one of the lurkers. | ||
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I'm more interested in hearing your suspicions of Oats, because I haven't seen any compelling reasons from you for why Oats is scum. | ||
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Anyway, I await your reasons for finding Oats scum, because I have no intention of shooting him without very compelling evidence that he is scum. And his behavior/meta strongly suggests that he's town. | ||
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Well. Why do we lynch people? Its cause they dont really want to lynch scum, they want to stay alive. Isnt the best way of staying alive not antagonizing someone without fully making sure that it wont look bad? No scum reads is the most middling of grounds, you dont have to justify anything, and no one gets mad at you. Thats why its scummy. There is a correlation between no scum reads and scum. Well no, the best way to stay alive is to please the town by fudging one or two scumreads. Let me approach your heuristic a different way - give me a specific example from one of your past scum-games where you have caught someone based on this heuristic (i.e. a replacement not giving scumreads in his/her first post). | ||
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He starts these spats all the time as town, true or false? | ||
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On June 11 2013 17:49 Blazinghand wrote: im just saying you can't say i started it Ok, so why should I be shooting Oats then? Still no reasoning. | ||
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On June 11 2013 17:54 Blazinghand wrote: Look like seriously the for realz answer is that scattered throughout D1 I laid out some fairly reasonable reasons for oats being scum. I don't think it was properly refuted. What you want me to do isn't to provide a reason (I've given plenty of reasons), what you want me to do is convince you and that will require a second look at oat's filter, analysis of his meta, and so on. I really don't have time for that right now, I'm about to sit down to dinner. After dinner I'll be glad to help out, but until then little snippets is all I can manage. Your main rationale seems to be that you disagree with Oats logic and reasoning. However this rings incredibly hollow since Oats being illogical is part of both his scum and town play. [Insert BH venn diagram here] [Insert comment about "IGNORE THE ORANGE PART"] The second main part of your reason to lynch Oats is that you couldn't track his rationale for thinking that you are scum whilst simultaneously doubting your town-read on me. However this relies on the assumption of logic, which isn't always present in Oats town games. Also, I don't see anything fundamentally illogical about Oats position on the matter, since he was pretty clear that he was suspicious of us both but thought that only one of us was scum. | ||
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I think Oats fundamentally is a player who avoids the spotlight as scum. He understands that people don't take him seriously, and uses it to his advantage to post cases on random players and blend in. In this game, he's arguably the biggest attention whore. Going after the obv-town leader of the thread is pretty suicidal if he's scum. And perhaps he understands all this and is faking it, but that's some next-level shit that I don't think he's capable of. His behavior here reminds me of Witchcraft Mini where JX and Eywa were convinced I was scum for whatever insane reasoning. | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:22 Blazinghand wrote: If you shoot gravity man I'd be really happy since he's been asking me weird questions. My initial read on him is "trying too hard to look townie without analyzing". If you want i can filter dive him. Yeah what sticks out in my mind about Gravity Man is his really strange mayoral campaign (which was almost entirely built on spreading paranoia about me) and the strange questioning. But do filter dive him - I'm interested in hearing your thoughts. | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote: man it wasnt even a trick dude. Dont think so much. Think simple. Really? Might I remind you that you think I'm scum because I apparently understand my scum-play so much that I adapted and am magically playing an active scum-game despite having a reputation of being a terrible scum-player and having a large established history of it. And that I'm taking a town-leadership role which I've never come close to attempting to take in my scum-games ever. Ever. Instead of - town Hapa is leading the town like he always does. =/ | ||
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On June 11 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like gravity man backing down on his scumread on you hapa, when you wanted to call him scum for it. It looked like he was going for damage control and stuff. Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum. He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me. | ||
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