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Is Crossfire99 atm the only one who can bus drive or can Kitaman27 do that still? If Crossfire99 is the only one, I guess we can say he's 100% scum if Kitaman27 gets bus drived and assume he doesn't.
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Is Crossfire99 atm the only one who can bus drive or can Kitaman27 do that still? If Crossfire99 is the only one, I guess we can say he's 100% scum if Kitaman27 gets bus drived and assume he doesn't. | ||
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On June 28 2013 00:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Not sure even he would be that dumb, but crossfire has a history of claiming scum. I'm basically wondering if anyone else than him *could* bus drive atm. Apparently Kitaman27 can't bus drive anymore after giving away the TARDIS? | ||
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WHAT IF geript and Kitaman27 are scumbuddies... And geript shot him, knowing that he would bus drive himself with Dandel Ion, 1) killing a hard-to-lynch townie 2) gaining towncred for geript if/when Kitaman27 flipped red 3) making an easy bus bandwagon on Kitaman27 for scum team to gain towncred with. In this case I can see austinmcc being scum as well. Doesn't this seem like a plausible scenario? At least I don't see any obvious flaws in it. | ||
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geript is forced to vote for Kitaman27 | ||
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On June 28 2013 01:53 gonzaw wrote: Guys, how about you.....like....read filters and analyze previous days? I know I know, it's crazy right? Who would do such a thing? But bear with me, it will all make sense in the end, I'm no crazy mofo. So yeah, this "oh what if some random dude is scum because I just said so?" thing is getting tired, at the very least quote something they did previously or scum reads they pushed, etc. Xata, you are doing this now. You are just playing in the "now" in that sense, you take current discussion and just "flow" with it. I did it previously....but at least I made some effort at SOME points to actually read some filters and analyse some people. Why don't you do the same? Also same thing to other players who seem to be doing the same and just seem lazy. Almost everybody is doing this so these whole pages since I left are basically null because very few people are putting actual effort other than saying "DI and kita scum! Of course!" or "geript and kita scum because they could be!" (granted I didn't read most of the posts though). Also posting from work so this will be my only post today before deadline Xfire, no you already met Roshi in that same exact PM (but whatever not important). Xfire, this is important: Tomorrow, as soon as day starts choose option C. Then when you receive that item, tell us you got it. It is a vote stealing ability, so use it on whoever town wants you to use it, and make him vote whoever town wants you to vote. If kita is alive, steal kita's vote right away. If kita's dead, town should reassess so you can steal a scum vote (therefore, if you are town, and even if we are 5v3 or 4v3 or something, we can still win since scum may have 1 less vote). If you are scum then whatever you'll be stealing a scumbuddies vote so who cares? (and town will force you to vote anyways). So with that I'm gone, stop being lazy. You can try by reading some of the stuff I said about Xfire for instance (both in the "conspiracy theory" post and a previous post I made), or the doubts I have about Xata (same again, conspiracy post and previous post. No, sk8 flipping town doesn't make the whole thing invalid just because, it'd be like saying Acro backtracking his case after you make a generic defense makes his case any less valid, which it doesn't, so I suggest you people also read Acro's case). People should be scumhunting right now, if you don't we'll lose I guarantee you that. Scumhunt you fools! Not saying made completely invalid, but it's stupid to say that sk8r flipping town doesn't reduce your conspiracy theory post's value (a lot of it was based on sk8r flipping scum). Same goes for Acro claiming my "stream of thought" posts seemed scummy and then noticing they were actually like my town meta. That's pretty much the definition of a case "losing its value". My recent weaker filter-reading can be mostly attributed to posting from my phone sporadically instead of the computer. Also many players I thought were scum have flipped town which has made me doubt my scumhunting skills. All I can say for (almost) certain is that you, BC and DI are town(ish). After that there's a pile of nullish / slightly scummy players with each having some redeeming qualities (even Kitaman27's Survivor claim still seems somewhat believable given his breadcrumbing and immersion to the role, but killing DI speaks heavily against that). There's some sentiment to get me lynched so I doubt they would shoot me over someone like BC with DT + pretty much confirmed status. That's why I think it's better to start the heavy analysis after getting these N2 flips and actions. Feels too much like speculation otherwise. I can't get to my computer much tomorrow though but it should be easier&faster to analyze with yet more info. | ||
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On June 28 2013 03:02 Dandel Ion wrote: What? It's definetly possible that he's technically a survivor, but he chose to play against town and for scum. So we need to treat him as scum. Ugh... So if he's actually Survivor, it's basically 5 vs 4. Not a good spot....... | ||
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My scumreads are like this after fast forwarding through the last 10+ pages: geript 100% (claimed scum) Kitaman27 95% (clearly playing for scum) austinmcc 70% (geript "accidentally" didn't hammer him at the end of D1) Crossfire99 50% (hard to say, but at least appears to be furthering town agenda lately, so could be town) I took the Blackmailer role idea from SC2 Mafia (custom game), although somewhat altered. It's originally a "Mafia role" only so... But now alignment-neutral. Brb soonish. | ||
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On June 28 2013 06:00 Crossfire99 wrote: I roleblocked Xata. This is a lie btw - unless you don't receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game for some reason. Wth Crossfire99? Hosts: do you receive a "roleblocked" PM in this game? | ||
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On June 28 2013 13:59 gonzaw wrote: Another thing Xfire: What night actions exactly do you need to forfeit to use the Tardis? Imagine austin gives me the medic/vig shit...can I use that ability plus the Tardis? I mean, my night action is visiting people to "troll" them or some shit, thus that would be the night action I can't use right? .....speaking of which....how about I visit BC, Dandel, etc with that ability? I mean, we, as town will never "misslynch" them. However, if scum have equal numbers or so, CAN force a misslynch on them. But if that's the case, then if the townie getting misslynched has the "if you get lynched random voter dies", then scum will die 100% (since they force the lynch on super townie). No townie will ever vote them, but scum will, so we have nothing to lose, right? Assuming no weird scum-Tardis bus driver obviously (maybe they drive BC with their 4th buddy, and I end up giving that ability to their buddy) If there are no complaints then tonight I'll use my role for the first time in the game lol Not worth the risk IMO. Scum will probably bus drive geript/Kitaman27 with you/BC/DI, making it reasonably likely (30-50%) that you'll just be protecting one of them. Worst of all, there's no way to know WHO exactly is protected, making it a huge gamble to lynch anyone. And there's no way we'd be lynching you/BC/DI in any case... Unless scum can already brute-force tomorrow and then it'd be over in any case (scum would just lose 1 scum per 2 town at best -> no chance). | ||
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On June 28 2013 08:56 gonzaw wrote: Actually BC still has a DT check for N3. Austin gives me medic again and I prot BC and we can know almost 99% the remaining scum by next cycle. SO yes, maybe it's best for BC to just try to kill scum right now... ....although. BC, you do know your gun can shoot at night as well, right? Please read the fine print. We could lynch one scum now, hope he had the TARDIS, hope the TARDIS gets to a townie, and have BC shoot the remaining one. This might be the best option atm. If we get lucky we can finish both geript and kita by N3. By the way, kita can't have the TARDIS since he already had it initially and he's scum So the TARDIS is in either geript's or remaining scum's hands. We could only really hope geript has it so we lynch him and it's randomly given to someone (if Kurumi dying made the TARDIS be randomly distributed, then so should geript dying do the same) I guess this makes sense. If(?) he can shoot at night, we could possibly get a double-kill of geript+Kitaman27 around the D3 lynch deadline (if geript holds the TARDIS and it gets randomized to a townie). Then it'd be 4 vs 1 already, not a bad spot at all. | ||
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Which one then.. Currently leaning more towards austinmcc. Here are some arguments speaking for austinmcc: 1) geript's filter is basically one big lie, since he's scum. With that in mind, there's no reason to believe that he was telling the truth about misreading the thread in a hurry and accidentally voting for sk8r instead of austinmcc. Now, one more vote would have been needed in addition to geript's to lynch austinmcc. BUT I can certainly see him, as the scum he was, making a panic decision and voting for sk8r, not willing to risk that some hero would show up during the last 10mins to get austinmcc lynched. Normally a no-lynch would be very beneficial for scum, so it *could* also be just setting up a no-lynch to stall town. But if austinmcc was town, geript would also be scared of his potentially imba blue ability and somewhat likely want to kill him regardless. In addition, it would be much safer to just vote for austinmcc and avoid the suspicion raised by doing a stunt like he did there (if austinmcc was town, that is). Conclusion: everything fits best if geript and austinmcc are scum together, but it's possible, although less likely, that geript merely wanted a no-lynch anyway (or he's telling the truth about his colossal failure, which I seriously doubt at this point). 2) austinmcc has played very differently compared to his townie playstyle. When I last played with him, he was a respected "leader" scumhunter, much like Gonzaw currently. This game he has mostly posted filler and setup speculation - very easy and non-draining topics for scum. 3) If geript and Kitaman27 are both scum, the scumteam would probably want one of them to remain as a "hidden scum". This fits with austinmcc being apparently very helpful, buddying and more active/townish lately. 4) Earlier cases and separate arguments by myself and others against austinmcc (see earlier posts). 5) I think I'm going to make a more exhaustive and "actual" case against austinmcc when I have more time and I get back to my computer. | ||
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Sorry for being so AFK for the last 30-40 hours or so. Also sorry for making a not-so-useful role (in comparison to most here - thought it was a good idea initially)... And overall not spending enough time to understand how all these roles worked in this game. Going to follow this game to the end, but probably returning to regular Mafia next (I severely underestimated how different / harder this was). GL town! | ||
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 Unfortunately I had less time to play towards the end, which contributed to me being shot by BC (I wasn't around to defend at all). Next time I participate in a PTP, I'll make sure to have more time to play and also more focus on understanding all the power roles (and creating a better power role myself). Probably playing in a simpler game next though  There's one thing that I still don't truly, legitimately understand at all. Crossfire99, you still there? Seeing as you are town, why would you say any of these things: A) host confirmation of roleblocks notifying the roleblocked player (a big lie - just can't be a mistake really, I refuse to believe someone could be so gravely mistaken about the contents of a host PM) B) me lying about this matter (see above: a 100% malicious anti-town lie) C) me being scum since I "lied" (completely untrue, but even if I did lie about that, it would be suicidal and 100% stupid as scum to do ) Not blaming the loss on Crossfire99 (or on BC for buying this stupidity while I was AFK). I just sincerely want to know what went through your mind when you made these completely untrue and anti-town statements. I see absolutely zero logic or reason in all that. Was it a colossal mistake of some kind? "Ends justify the means" type of a lie? Helping scum to win? Or what could possibly be the reason........? | ||
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Crossfire99, could you please explain..... WHY? | ||
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Everyone makes mistakes and becomes confused from time to time. Just look at me, my top3 scumreads for D1 were all town (LOL). | ||
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