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On June 24 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Good timing!
Yeah if I was around I would have hammered 100% 'cause I love seein' me some flip even though I haven't read into austin in the slightest.
Take that whatever way you will, but I'm telling the truth.
I think it's kinda funny that it was even insinuated that I should be modkilled because I didn't vote btw. Like....was it MZ who said 'yeah don't modkill/warn Wave 'cause he wasn't around for the solstice kill.'
Even if it was a scumplan of mine to conveniently disappear, it's obvious that I was around and voted immediately prior to that so there is no need for a modkill or warning. I don't even see the point in bringing it up. I find it less odd that I am being suspected of afking on purpose than MZ's defense of me, and those two things are definitely incompatible.
???
If you are suspected at all is not because of something MZ said, but because something BIG happened that made everybody need to react fast, and you disappeared then.
Scum are slow to react to this kind of deal if it's close to deadline. Or if they do, they fuck up and "out" themselves. There's basically no middle ground for them unless the situation is VERY comfortable (the lynch is locked on a townie, and they are confident they can get away with it unscathed after he flips town, etc).
UNLESS this was a masterplan by scum, I don't think this thing was very comfortable by them. Completely disappearing in those 10 minutes, and arrive after deadline is a possible "scum reaction".
You followed that reaction, as well as MZ. Doesn't mean you are 100% scum, but it's something to note of
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Oh yeah I don't know what to make of geript's vote.
I don't like speculating about WIFOMy stuff like that (IRL excuses and stuff). Him not really being here discussing shit is not really comforting though
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But I had no say in that scumteam 
I tried my best not to kill you ;_;
...the silver lining is that we won at least lol
Well, not really trying to "lynch" you, but if I had to decide in the span of 2 minutes which player in the game to lynch, also taking into account town sentiment...then yeah you were a good choice.
....hmm....considering snb wasn't replaced someone could vig him tonight or something.
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Well, it's either true or a scumbuddy of his made his role.
If it's the 2nd one, then his scumbuddy CANT claim he made austin's role, so whose role does his scumbuddy claim he made?
There are 4 options:
1)Another player:
Then the guy that REALLY made that guy's role will cc and he's toast
2)Another player, but someone another scumbuddy of his made the role of:
Then the same process is repeated with the other scumbuddy, who has no character to claim he made the role of
3)Himself:
Because you are going to believe 2 people saying "I made my own role!", instead of one of them saying he made austin's?
4)The player austin made the role of:
In this case, austin makes the role of player X, but claims he made his own. In fact a scumbuddy made his role, and now the scumbuddy claims he made player X's role.
If so....for what purpose? This doesn't make any sense other than convince people "there's little chance austin made his own role! He scum!".
Unless there is a convincing reason (4) could have happened, then it's most likely true, regardless of his alignment (or maybe he is scum with BC and they did (3) lol)
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Okay, take your time (well...at least take LESS time than you did last cycle >_> )
So, thoughts on Xfire?
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It will be known at some point, unless scum have a super duper plan to kill the actual guy that created their roles.
Also it serves no purpose other than to MAKE THEM MORE SUSPICIOUS (like you are doing right now).
.....just live and let live, ignore that claim unless evidence is presented otherwise, which if is false will be soon enough most likely
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On June 24 2013 12:24 Acrofales wrote:
I also had a quick look at Xfire's filter. There's not much content there, but the bit there is is actually pretty good.
Firstly, he defends sk8er when the ball was getting rolling. He basically singlehandedly stopped the lynch on sk8er. That seems to mean they are either scum together, or Xfire isn't scum: there seems to be no reason for a scum Xfire to prevent a lynch on town sk8er.
Now, given my updated read on sk8er I am getting back to thinking he's town, and presumably will prove it through whatever mechanism he's claiming. So Xfire seems in the clear too.
I'm just a little worried about his actions right before the lynch.
Instantly sheeps solstice and is 100% sure about his lynch (unlike others who were also considering snb, or Zepphird, etc).
Gave little reason for it and felt too "quick". Then sheeps onto austin without really saying much about him (although that was quick I assume so maybe he didn't have too much time to think about it).
I'm open to suggestions about his behaviour, etc
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On June 25 2013 01:43 Acrofales wrote:
Ah goddamn it. DI has got me doubting again. I went through Xata's older games and the whole waffling stuff and using extremely longwinded run-on sentences seems to appear more in his town games than his scum games (at least, I compared British to Dessert, and I vaguely remember the newbie we were in together).
Let me put it this way: I can see why he wasn't lynched in Dessert, and it's largely because he is not doing anything dumb like posting waffly crap about how Kurumi is 100% town or 100% scum (like he did in this game).
linkys?
People, you should really post your past games in your profiles. If not meta-reading is a pain in the ass
On June 25 2013 02:42 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 01:46 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. Homicidal urge is under control again. Lets go back to killing MZ, SnB and austin.
Crisis averted. What... That was really fast. Care to explain how I went from clear scum to townish in a matter of 30min or something? Apparently you read through my previous games. Why did you do that AFTER making your case, not before you met resistance in the form of DI and myself? Sadly it looks like justification to abandon the failed bandwagon... Meaning you appear in a more scummy light based on these recent posts. Also, what exactly about my defense "averted the crisis" (excluding you checking up my posting history)? This is just a very strange chain of events and I want to hear your reasoning. Ugh, I hope I don't have to drop you as well from my townreads..
What bothers me about you Xatalos is this "objective 3rd person" narrative you make.
You say stuff like "you are doing X, and this makes appear in a more scummy light" instead of stuff like "you are doing X and I think you are more scummy because of it".
It could be interpreted as scum "treading" carefully with his posts and suspicions, i.e "waffly waffles"
If I could read your previous town games it may make me feel better/worse about you....but if you do it as town it's a "weird" characteristic of your play :/
I have very little else to say that wasn't said by now in terms of players so I'll just wait for the right guys to do the stuff they need to do (e.g let's see if BC finally posts something that's not about sk8)
Speaking of this whole sk8 thing:
For fucks sake please post all the shit you need to post and defenses etc in a clear manner and get over with it
This goes to both of you.
For instance:
sk8: Can you tell us in which exact post you realized you could use your ability? I.e prove to us you weren't actually lying with that "BC is faking his shot", and show us which posts prove to us you stopped saying that (if you could....I dunno...SCUMHUNT as well then it'd be appreciated too)
BC: So what about sk8 being able to confirm himself as town? What about Xfire not saying anything about it (therefore basically confirming it)? Do you care about that at all? Because if Xfire isn't complaining then it's either true or both Xfire and sk8 are scum. Even if it's the 2nd one...he won't confirm himself as town never, therefore we'll lose our patience at some point and lynch him.
If the 2nd one is true, would a scum sk8 lie like that just to gain a little more time, but make it so he and Xfire go down 100%?
Also, this goes out to BC and austin (and others maybe):
You guy should make a 150% effort in trying to establish yourselves as town.
Why? Because you wrote your own roles.
If we are not sure you guys are town, we are not sure what your abilities are, and NOBODY can prove anything about them.
For instance, if I (as scum) have a super day vig shot, and I use it tomorrow to kill super-townies, then when I claim my role I'll most likely get lynched for it because my role maker will claim "gonzaw scum yo".
It works the other way as well, if I DONT do anything weird, still, when I claim my role creator will vouch for me and you guys will know I CANT use a super day vig shot to kill super-townies
I have no idea if any of you 2 can use super-anti-town-day-vig shots or not, so if you guys are scummy townies, it'll just create paranoid (and maybe get you lynched I guess).
So yeah, you have more responsibility than the rest of us in that aspect...
...I say this because both of you aren't doing a great job at that
Speaking of roles:
Dear role creator,
Did you roll scum before or after creating my role? I think you may have rolled scum BEFORE because this shit is the most anti-town thing ever how the fuck am I supposed to use it?
You are supposed to design roles so they are usable by either alignment (I don't even care if it's OP or not, it should be USABLE at least)
Currently my role is UNUSABLE as town, so I'm basically a VT now.
So thank you for that...
...unless there's a hidden strategy I'm missing, so if the time comes where I have to make a super-pro-town plan just tell me, because I have no idea you can do anything that slightly resembles something pro-town with this role
Thank you,
Unsatisfied role customer
I could even claim my role because idgaf, but well it's night and all so maybe it's a bad idea
I just wanted to vent
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Okay, FINALLY
So BC; what about kita? You think he's scummy scummy scum?
On June 25 2013 03:31 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 03:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On June 25 2013 02:58 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:On June 25 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, xat.
The reason i view sk8s ability use as not townlike is this.
He has actively had posts that are heavily heavily anti town. He actively admitted to trolling, and lying about reads. Denying to give his reads when he could have died as it "was people fishing"
He then near instantly starts claiming my shot was fake and proceeds to toss suspicion on me for it when he would know his power was responsible for him not dying. Given the fact he openly admitted to wanting to get shot, and has been behaving overall as someone attempting to take a vig bullet, I would put him down as a scum read. Just because he has a self defense power and that he came out and admitted it WELL AFTER a situation while using the role as a reason to call bullshit and clutter the thread even more.
Kita and Meapak both need to post more. Still pressuring me. Did someone write an Executioner role that can also day vig? My self defense power does not roleblock you or return your bullet which is why I think you are lying or someone else saved me. Just so everyone knows, I am Sally Sparrow, town aligned, and used my ability during the day. I will be using my ability AGAIN tonight.
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain So let me get this straight? You are a town aligned role that can make shots not work on you (refunded to holder) and can use this role, every half cycle? You can call me a liar, I know what PM I got from the hosts. So far only you have claimed a power that could stop my shot (mafia could clearly be hiding behind this fact and not claiming a block). However, you role use to save yourself is an alignment null. Anyone in your position would try to avoid dying town or mafia. your behaviour is what I find horrifically scummy. The fact you knew you used a role to avoid death, immediately claimed bullshit on my shot well before hosts had even started trying to sort out roles, is baffling. You then after hosts has resolved and I stated what happened were still harping on fake shot and bullshit. You actively have lied, trolled and admitted to these things. Again, my role does not return a bullet to you which is what confirmed to me that you lied OR that someone else targeted you. Your scum hunting skill is what I find to be horrifically bad. Basically you think because I'm trolling that I am scum. All your other arguments are poor and just based off your tunnelling.
See? You just had to say that single line to make things clearer instead of making everybody confused as fuck about this whole shit.
That does indeed make things interesting. Kurumi might have something to do with that, if not one of you is lying (although this kind of seems improbable, there's little reason for scum to lie with pointless shit like this)
Also sk8 please thoughts on someone other than BC as well
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On June 25 2013 03:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 05:31 Kurumi wrote:On June 24 2013 05:30 gonzaw wrote:
SKAITER, ACRO, KURUMI. WHAT ARE YOU DOING I am voting the guy I believe is scum the most. Acro is sleeping, left both his votes on the guy he believes is scum the most.Sk8ter is scum. Acro left thread a couple hours earlier after posting: Show nested quote +On June 24 2013 02:47 Acrofales wrote: STUFF BUT ALSO
And, because I am heading out, I am putting my secret vote on him as well. Yes, I have a secret vote. And no, I see no point in keeping that secret. He doesn't say he's sleeping.
o_O
Acro, you better check you lock your windows and doors before going to sleep, just saying...
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##Silence: BC
##Silence: sk8
STOP arguing with each other for a few moments, and interact with us.
If you two could answer my questions then I'd be happy
Know that I charge you 100$ each for the counseling sessions, so you better make the most of it!
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Hmm, Meapak, 2 things:
1)I think he said his Acro vote WASNT for shits and giggles (thus wasn't trolling)
2)I fail to see where he said sk8 was his "#1 infallible 100% super duper scum read", he just said this:
As far as scumreads go, don't have any yet, aside from you.
It is indeed a "I think he's scum" post, but well, it's vague enough to maybe not being thought of as 100% sure scum (him being vague like that isn't townie either).
Hmm, I'll keep reading.
Ultimately, I wouldn't mind WOS lynched...mainly because he doesn't have my role (thus I'll know 100% my role will still be alive) lol
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On June 25 2013 03:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
lololol I suspected earlier that gonzaw got my role and now I'm almost certain of it.
Makes me think he's likely to be town considering he's been complaining about it all day and I highly doubt he's been setting it up for so long.
Gonzaw if you have my role and are town, there probably isn't a good way to use it, at least not the way you've been playing. I am also unsure as to whether or not any changes were made to it. You should just relax and have fun with it. It has potential but it probably requires a lot of thinking on your part when activated.
IF you have it.
Will be in and out until later this evening.
...okay you are getting lynched tomorrow >: (
....goddamit dude
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It's weird because I thought WOS's reaction to the shot was kind of townie.
I was mostly comparing it to solstice's (which I found scummy); at least in the sense that WOS was there actively discussing shit about BC/sk8 and trying to figure the whole shit out...
...now I'll get the obvious "but it's irrelevant stuff to scumhunting, any scum could do that!" comment, but well, it's the WAY he does it which doesn't really seem like obvious scum faking contributions.
Meh, I may need to reread that again (I'm leaving in a couple of minutes anyways)
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Hmm, that WOS case just seems too "good" to be true.
Could a scum really fuck up so much as to call a guy scum then out of nowhere change his read on him (in contrast with changing his read when he's not posting about him)?
Hmm, I think the WOS thing might resolve itself by just checking his play in Roulette, so I'll just do that after coming home
If I have time I'll look into kita as well.
Also, anybody else has thoughts on Xfire? Or do you all think he's likely town (other than austin....who I don't even remember what he said?)
Also austin wtf is with those lone posts posting weird shit (at least un-austinlike shit)?
Why aren't you here discussing shit with us?
On June 25 2013 03:50 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Also their is a fundamental flaw in the way you guys are scum hunting. If you go and tunnel everything someones posting, tell them that's why you think they are being scummy. Then they will defend it and try to fix it. Which will just make it harder to pinpoint them as scum later.
I get my reads, hold them until I am sure and then post it. That way there is no wiggling out for the scum. It also makes me more of a threat to Mafia since they do not know if my reads are going to condemn them or not.
Okay, then have fun getting (mis)lynched.
You know what, everybody should just do what you are doing, let's all pick a single guy to argue about circular shit and never disclose any scum reads at all until it's D6 or something.
I'm sure we'll have this game in the bag!
Here are the top 3 priorities as town:
1)Establish innocence
2)Hunt scum
3)Not fuck up the thread
You are failing on all 3 so far (wouldn't really fail on 1 if you didn't fail so much on 2 and 3), so please revise that strategy of yours, and that "fundamental flaw" you are talking about.
READ THIS SHIT SK8
Did I get your attention?
Good, because I'll assume you have read this and are aware of it by now, so if you keep doing what you are doing I'll be forced to think you are doing it with a scum agenda behind it
And with that, I leave
Stay classy Liquidia
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On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far?
Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta.
Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch.
How about instead of saying that you explain why the shit MZ said is false?
Also, I want to be sure where I want my anger directed towards, you or sk8:
What is the 3rd letter of the char you made the role of?
On June 25 2013 04:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Gonzaw I remember now why I like you so much
I am here to please
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On June 25 2013 04:22 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gonzaw is on the right track, I wonder how many scum have jumped on the 'wave is a good lynch' wagon thus far?
Ill tell you a secret though, I don't think I've ever been this inactive in any game I've played. The time with BC/sk8r is how I play as both scum and town, but of course you're welcome to make what you will of my meta.
Ill tell you another secret. I'm not a good lynch. How about you show us why instead of just saying that.
Stop ninjaing me > : (
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Hi guys
I have this weird gun of something that shoots players randomly.
Great, another role mechanic that deals with me killing random townies
/rolleyes
Really I just can't believe this shit lol
I have a virtual class or some shit now so I'll be keeping up sporadically.
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EPT
(unless there's a party-pooper marv in my scumteam >_> ), so if a scum made your role...congrats you are going to live for a long time 
