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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1469
On June 26 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 00:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin, did the power you gave to my choice vanish after the night? Or does it stay on until its used?
Each applies only for that night, so it vanished at the end of N1.


regardless, he didn't claim it.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 25 2013 15:42 GMT
#1470
And I say this as a bad thing because he has been so interested in knowing everyone else's roles while not sharing small information.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 25 2013 15:47 GMT
#1472
Also compare kitas play currently to this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=kitaman27

or this

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313426&user=kitaman27

Both of these are games he was town.

His play currently is underwowing and downright terrible.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#1473
On June 26 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 00:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 26 2013 00:39 austinmcc wrote:
On June 26 2013 00:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Austin, did the power you gave to my choice vanish after the night? Or does it stay on until its used?
Each applies only for that night, so it vanished at the end of N1.


regardless, he didn't claim it.
Right, I dunno if that's what you were angling for, but no. There shouldn't have been a downside to claiming it, because it should have faded.

As I wrote and understood the role, he would have been messaged that he was being made a vet for N1 during the night. It also wouldn't make sense for the hosts NOT to message the guy, because if I give medic/vigi/rb, the guy has to use his power and so has to be notified. So he should have known, but didn't say anything.

For anyone halfway following, BC voted for kitaman yesterday, and I made kitaman a vet last night. He didn't claim it last night, which is fine, because announcing you're a vet sort of negates it. But he didn't say today "Hey guys, someone made me a vet last night," which is NOT cool because he's hiding information that doesn't really affect the game going forward.


Whats more interesting is how interested he is in everyones roles and how they work but is not sharing the same level of information. Compare his play currently to the few links from the last ptp and storm mafia.

I chose both of them because I knew he played in both (died early in ptp3 and lived for ages in storm)

I see no similarities between his posting this game and the two I posted. I also chose games that had a fairly large gap of time between them to account for how drastic his "meta" could have changed over time.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 04:40 GMT
#1629
On June 26 2013 12:21 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 12:16 gonzaw wrote:
On June 26 2013 12:09 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
The Tardis has a limitation against Mafia using it twice to prevent them from just constantly passing it to eachother, If Mafia attempt this it sends it to a randomized player. Thus if I use it, pass it to Kita, and Kita uses it and passes it back to me and I receive it. Then you knokw that -

1. Either Kita or I am not Mafia
2. If this is continued with another player i.e. I pass it to you since you can't do shit anyways. You pass it back. Then we know that between me and you one of us is not Mafia.

Lynch me if you want. If it can confirm Austin as scum then I'm all for it.


1)Is the limitation about any SINGLE mafia using it twice, or about the Tardis passing hands between 2 mafia members?
So if there is 1 Mafia and 1 Townie, they can't pass the Tardis to each other?

2)How do you know this? Because you got the Tardis at the beginning of the game?
Who can confirm this other than kita?
I assume you got 100% confirmation from the hosts right? And there is no thread of doubt in your head that can work?

3)Okay, imagine (1) is true, how does that prove you are not 3P? Or another anti-town faction (maybe a hidden scum like Sleeper Cell whatever)

4)I was going to ask a question about why you are still not scumhunting yet, but I know better now


1. No the Tardis has to be passed after use. The limitation is to prevent mafia from passing it back and forth to eachother.
1 mafia and 1 townie can pass to eachother.

2. 100% confirmation on what? Me having the Tardis. yeah. I passed it to solstice. Solstice died, it came back to me. I passed it to Kita.

3. I can't prove im not 3p. Sry

4. good


So let me get this straight. You managed to give the tardis away not once, but twice in a single day? You said you had to use it to pass it on which means day 1 you used your own role, the tardis, then the tardis again at night?

I call fucking bullshit.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 05:04 GMT
#1630
On June 26 2013 02:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 02:40 kitaman27 wrote:
It has a night action associated with it's passing. Sk8r can confirm.

So you can't pass it until night? I'm confused what you're trying to say here.



If this is true, Sk8 just lied again.

Dropping a vote on him until he explains this suitably.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 12:55 GMT
#1641
On June 26 2013 17:00 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 14:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:40 kitaman27 wrote:
It has a night action associated with it's passing. Sk8r can confirm.

So you can't pass it until night? I'm confused what you're trying to say here.



If this is true, Sk8 just lied again.

Dropping a vote on him until he explains this suitably.


Isn't it allowed to use day ability + TARDIS at night after that...? That would make sense.


He said Tardis had to be used before it could be passed. Sk8 said he passed it to solstice, and Kita. Kita said it has a night action associated with the passing. If it can only be passed at night then how the fuck did sk8 pass it twice?

-_-
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 13:31 GMT
#1643
On June 26 2013 22:12 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 21:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 26 2013 17:00 Xatalos wrote:
On June 26 2013 14:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:48 Crossfire99 wrote:
On June 26 2013 02:40 kitaman27 wrote:
It has a night action associated with it's passing. Sk8r can confirm.

So you can't pass it until night? I'm confused what you're trying to say here.



If this is true, Sk8 just lied again.

Dropping a vote on him until he explains this suitably.


Isn't it allowed to use day ability + TARDIS at night after that...? That would make sense.


He said Tardis had to be used before it could be passed. Sk8 said he passed it to solstice, and Kita. Kita said it has a night action associated with the passing. If it can only be passed at night then how the fuck did sk8 pass it twice?

-_-

Why are you mad over this. Check your blood pressure BC i worry about you. ##Lovetap BC

Use Tardis @ day -> Pass Tardis to Sol
Sol die -> Tardis randomly distributed to player
Get Tardis back -> OMG WUT LUCK,
Use Tardis at night -> Pass to Kita

I never said it can only be passed at night. Stop manipulating my words.



Kita said it did.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:30 GMT
#1725
WHY ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO LYNCH AUSTIN.

If he is mafia he is actively giving powers to people in the fucking town. Let him continue doing so.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:31 GMT
#1726
Also I need to know this now.

What does the tardis do. Either sk8 or Kita. Sk8 this is really the only chance you have at saving your ass currently.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:33 GMT
#1730
On June 27 2013 04:32 geript wrote:
U ded bc


what?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#1736
On June 27 2013 04:36 Crossfire99 wrote:
Sorry for disappearing, I've been really busy. I'm here now until lynch. Gonzaw you're right that I have your role, but I didn't use any abilities last night because I didn't want to waste anything when I wasn't sure about people. I didn't get any new abilities, maybe because I didn't use anything last night T_T.

I'm not liking sk8r too much anymore. He already answered what questions I wanted to ask, but didn't get a chance to. Basically, I still don't understand why he gave the TARDIS to the people he supposedly gave it to. Why solstice and why kita?


Did you create the Tardis? Or did you create Sk8s role?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:37 GMT
#1737
Or is it part of the role?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:44 GMT
#1742
On June 27 2013 04:43 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 04:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Or is it part of the role?

Might as well not hide it anymore, but the TARDIS is basically sk8r's role. There was a small change to his role which makes things a lot clearer now, which I didn't learn about until today because stuff wasn't making sense.


Why did you learn it today and not before?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 19:48 GMT
#1750
On June 27 2013 04:47 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 04:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On June 27 2013 04:43 Crossfire99 wrote:
On June 27 2013 04:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Or is it part of the role?

Might as well not hide it anymore, but the TARDIS is basically sk8r's role. There was a small change to his role which makes things a lot clearer now, which I didn't learn about until today because stuff wasn't making sense.


Why did you learn it today and not before?

Because I didn't ask about it until today. When kita said he received the TARDIS today, things weren't adding up with the way I designed the role, so I asked. Dec then answered.


Then how specifically is the Tardis passed. IE what is required to pass it, and how frequently can you do this?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 20:09 GMT
#1774
On June 27 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote:
HEY HEY HEY. If you haven't yet sent in answers (or can change):

Kurumi please choose MEDIC.
WoS or Xatalos please choose VIGILANTE.

BC please choose BC
Gonzaw please choose GONZAW.


That way, I can assign either medic or vigilante to one of you two tonight. No overlap, maximum options. Depending on what comes out of all this, having both a defensive and offensive role seems best.


im also fine with being a vet for a night
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 20:09 GMT
#1775
although medics are prob better
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#1795
On June 27 2013 05:42 Xatalos wrote:
There's only 20min left?? I thought it was 1h 20min. It's a good thing I could make it before deadline then. I voted for sk8r also since it seems like the only option atm and he's not that bad of a lynch either (although austin/kita would have been better IMO).


No one but me would want to kill kita at this point I think
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#1817
On June 27 2013 05:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Been busy at work and won't get out for another hour to catch up, but I just wanted everyone to know that I've passed the TARDIS to kurumi.

Hopefully if Sk8r flips mafia, Kurumi can verify the anti-mafia clause that should confirm me as not being Sk8r's scum buddy.


why not me?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
June 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#1827
-_- fuck you sk8 and snb
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
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