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Oh wow, you really want to be mad and fight, huh.
Nothing is wrong with it. In fact, I'm all for you trying to find actual scum instead of tunneling me for posts other people wrote while you can't read and think I did them.
So how about you find the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling. I'm really interested because I can't remember doing that at all. Maybe on the way you'll actually read my filter and realize how wrong you are. Unless, of course, you want to be wrong. In which case, flame on.
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Yeah and where's the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling?
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On June 23 2013 21:05 Kurumi wrote:
I know that geript was more about voicing his opinion on me being scum based on not trolling, don't worry.
There's no MORE.
I never said anything about it. At all. I know that because it's not my opinion and it hasn't been.
And you calling me scum for it is complete bullshit and that you can't see that is actually scummy.
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On June 23 2013 21:07 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah and where's the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling? It wasn't for not trolling it was because I somehow played anti-town by not posting in a thread that was being spammed by the likes of you.
Yeah it was for you being hypocritical and
Yeah you remarked on the "bad" atmosphere and you didn't even try to change it. Instead do nothing, yay, protown.
So either you thought the atmosphere was actually fine, or you were happy with it being bad.
Which is it?
So how is it about trolling again?
How is it town motivated again?
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On June 23 2013 21:08 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:07 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 21:05 Kurumi wrote:
I know that geript was more about voicing his opinion on me being scum based on not trolling, don't worry. There's no MORE. I never said anything about it. At all. I know that because it's not my opinion and it hasn't been. And you calling me scum for it is complete bullshit and that you can't see that is actually scummy. Okay, for fourth time I reread your filter and indeed there's no word about me not trolling = scum. Sorry. You were right. Still, OMGUS was there on another basis.
Sure, the fourth time. I totally buy that. lol
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But nice "oh yeah all my reasoning is complete bullcrap but hey I'll keep clinging to my bad read for no reason"
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On June 23 2013 21:09 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 21:07 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 21:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah and where's the point where I OMGUS you for not trolling? It wasn't for not trolling it was because I somehow played anti-town by not posting in a thread that was being spammed by the likes of you. Yeah it was for you being hypocritical and Yeah you remarked on the "bad" atmosphere and you didn't even try to change it. Instead do nothing, yay, protown.
So either you thought the atmosphere was actually fine, or you were happy with it being bad.
Which is it?
So how is it about trolling again? How is it town motivated again? What is the best course of action to heal a thread spammed by trolls? STAY AWAY AND WAIT FOR THEM TO GO TO BED. Foolproof strategy.
Not posting at all.
GENIUS TOWN STRATEGY, 10/10 WIN EVERY GAME
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If that was the case the last 2 pages wouldn't have happened.
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On June 23 2013 21:16 Kurumi wrote:
Why did you defend sk8r on basis he voted BC on the very start of the game?
Could you explain why you Lovetapped him?
? I didn't defend him for that.
I defended him because I think he's town.
I lovetapped him on basic math, I have explained this. + Show Spoiler +DISCLAIMER: IT WASN'T EXACT MATH OK? THAT'S WHY I SAY BASIC
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On June 23 2013 21:23 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:20 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 21:16 Kurumi wrote:
Why did you defend sk8r on basis he voted BC on the very start of the game?
Could you explain why you Lovetapped him? ? I didn't defend him for that. I defended him because I think he's town. I lovetapped him on basic math, I have explained this. + Show Spoiler +DISCLAIMER: IT WASN'T EXACT MATH OK? THAT'S WHY I SAY BASIC Why do you think he is town? What basic math? Those things ARE missing from your filter. You were on sk8r's side from the very start of The Crisis, you fought with both BC and WoS, why? You called BC a bad player, do you really believe that?
gut feeling and behavior stuff.
Also I remember calling a post supertown, that one was supertown.
the 75/25 thing, it's far more likely to help town than harm town.
I did think he was playing terrible when I said that.
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On June 23 2013 21:24 Kurumi wrote:
Oh that 75/25 thing.
REALLY?
what about it?
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On June 23 2013 21:41 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:27 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 21:24 Kurumi wrote:
Oh that 75/25 thing.
REALLY? what about it? When I read your posts I was like "damn, you really explained that lovetap thing in detail?" Then I scramble to find that post and a mention of it happens when BC asks you why you lovetapped Sk8r. You bring up that he is more likely to be town than scum based on that there are more town than scum. What the heck man.
Okay look at this:
Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.8% of the time.
Conversely, randomly giving powers to a person is also 24.8% to hit scum. I'd take those chances on their own. Why wouldn't you?
Add to that that I didn't find it scummy how he asked for it, I'm going in deep.
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btw, if the lovetap was a big deal the role creator would have said by now.
he didn't so it's a) not or b) fake
either way no harm done anyways
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On June 23 2013 21:50 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw, if the lovetap was a big deal the role creator would have said by now.
he didn't so it's a) not or b) fake
either way no harm done anyways Well, maybe role creator and sk8r are mafia together? Or maybe third party?
whatever
I'm not threatened by an ability called "lovetap"
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On June 23 2013 21:53 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:52 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 21:50 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 21:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw, if the lovetap was a big deal the role creator would have said by now.
he didn't so it's a) not or b) fake
either way no harm done anyways Well, maybe role creator and sk8r are mafia together? Or maybe third party? whatever I'm not threatened by an ability called "lovetap" We don't know what it does. It could even decide the lynch! Or force a no-lynch... We'd probably have no idea who did it. I am scared of unknown, is that bad?
It's american. Dunno if that's bad.
btdubz, krumumi, you were the one that made my role in themed right?
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the game that had the most imaginative name
Themed
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On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...
First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.
Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.
These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.
I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later.
Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me?  Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.)
Should I?
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On June 23 2013 22:03 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...
First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.
Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.
These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.
I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later. Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me? Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.) How am I supposed to respond to that? I am playing, I am aggressive and was not really active. Sue me. If you were Attention Seeker, then yes. Why are you asking Dandel?
Did you read the game after you were deaded?
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On June 23 2013 22:08 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:On June 23 2013 22:03 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 21:59 Xatalos wrote:On June 23 2013 21:39 Kurumi wrote:On June 23 2013 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, now I've had time to go through the last pages and reread some filters. Unfortunately I'm typing on our iPad, so it's a pain to write and edit this wall of text. At least I'll be home before deadline...
First things first. Gonzaw is looking purely town to me. The amount of constructive discussion he has added to the thread (focusing on Mafia hunting especially) has been enormous. I'd even go as far to say that if he's Mafia, he's playing against his win-condition and setting himself + his team up for a quick defeat.Weird choice of words, but I'll take it. I agree on town sentiment on Gonzaw. Not as sure about Acrofales, but his strong activity and pretty good focus on scumhunting makes him probably town in my eyes. I like his thinking about claiming role names, but he claimed the easiest ever (main character >_>) and he says he is suspicious of Zephirdd on basis that he told the thread he is drunk. Sounds like an early setup for a bus, but that might be me tinfoiling. He also believes that if there was indeed a roleblocker then sk8r is scum. Basically, there is a lot of assumptions in his posts and I am not really sure how to respond to that besides waiting for stuff to happen concerning his guesses. He is not afraid to fight and that'd paint him a weak green for me now. BC is more of a question mark to me. Apparently his vig-shot was real after all (?). In any case, his hyper-aggressive pushing, strong confidence in his own opinions and lack of care for possibly getting lynched for such behaviour makes him feel pretty townish. At least that's the general feeling I get from him, and it should be enough for now. BC is Town. I felt like he is and then The Crisis came and I believe he acted like he would act. Also I dont want to kill him D1 because that sucked every time we did it.
Then there are a ton of useless (completely or mostly) lurkers. Meapak, Zephirdd, austinmcc, strongandbig and Crossfire99. None of them are lynch-worthy right now IMO, but if this anti-town playstyle continues, I'd like a Vig-shot (or something like that) into this lurkish group. There's probably 1-2 Mafia in there, and even if not, nothing of value has been lost. Especially austinmcc makes me feel suspicious. I remember one previous game where we played together. His playstyle was radically different: I was basically certain of him being town during D1. Now, he has just posted weak filler material and questions from others, nothing really of his own.
I said that austin is fishing for tactics for some reason.. I did not raise another point in my post, but I believe he is less active than usually - I liked playing with austin together as town, since he was always a valuable asset.
These following players would make excellent targets for investigation during N1: geript, Kitaman27, sk8r, Dandel Ion. They all give me conflicting reads and basically make it impossible to say their alignment with any confidence. They've all been reasonably active though, so I want to see more of them during D2. Lynching or shooting them now wouldn't be optimal IMO.
I dislike you trying to make blues do stuff. Leave them alone. They shall do what they want.]
Then there are three players who I'd be ready to lynch today: Kurumi, S0lstice, WaveofShadow. WaveofShadow caught my attention early on with some weak scummy signals (most notably the forced "tryhard" attitude and just generally a cautious/forced approach to posting). His response to my pressure was also pretty weird, with a really apologetic tone and shifting the attention to Acrofales with quite "forced" reasoning. Other players have also brought up good points about some strange or outright scummy parts of his later play.
Biggest offense in Wave's play is going from trolling to normal play. I've done it in one of my Mafia games when I felt our game was falling apart. Nobody called me on this and I went back to trolling. I think we won that game, not sure.
Gonzaw made a good case on S0lstice and got me very curious about S0lstice's approach to the game. It feels like he's just throwing accusations here and there, somewhat participating in discussion but not really "pushing" anything, more like reacting to what others do. A really scummy approach to playing the game overall. Lynchable? Yes. More lynchable than WaveofShadow? Not sure yet.
I think same thing goes with s0lstice: he started troll-ish, relaxed and then started to post serious stuff.
Kurumi is almost a lurker, but not quite. What makes me suspicious is especially his highly defensive and passive-aggressive attitude to any suspicion directed towards him. He seems to like side-stepping accusations or attacking his accuser, not discussing the actual accusations or doing anything *positive* for the thread at all. Least scummy of these three IMO, but still on the scummy side.
I'll keep my vote on WaveofShadow for now, but I'll have to read his filter again (especially the later parts). Someone mentioned that he also made towny posts, but I didn't notice that yet, so gotta recheck what all he wrote... Be back later. Hmm. Nobody disagrees with me? Your troll->serious argument feels aimed at Dandel Ion.. But I'm not sure if I agree, since Dandel Ion did start trollish and got more serious later on, but I don't feel like it's any actual scumtell. More like fishing for reactions and conjuring discussion before there's much to talk about, although it'd be better to focus from the beginning IMO. In any case, I don't think that's a really good argument. (You didn't respond to my suspicion of you btw.) How am I supposed to respond to that? I am playing, I am aggressive and was not really active. Sue me. If you were Attention Seeker, then yes. Why are you asking Dandel? Did you read the game after you were deaded? Oh this is the game I got mad at because people did not lynch kita? Probably not much besides Day 2. What happened?
eh, stuff.
But that explains a lot.
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