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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:39 GMT
#3521
On July 03 2013 09:37 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 09:35 gonzaw wrote:
On July 03 2013 09:31 Acrofales wrote:
Xatalos played okay. He wasn't great, but the only reason you thought he was scum was because his and xfire's stories didn't add up. Still not sure what happened there with the roleblocked shit, but how the hell was he supposed to claim he was roleblocked when he wasn't notified.

decon said in obs QT that roleblocks weren't notified. So essentially, it was xfire who had the wrong info, didn't check it properly, and you all piled onto Xata, who was playing quite okay when you got through the elaborate waffly way of talking.. which if you had even bothered to look at my filter, you would have noticed is part of his town meta, despite me going all raaaage at him over it.


Xfire specifically said a host gave him a PM saying RBs are notified. Xata specifically said no host gave him a PM saying he was RBed.

Logically one of them is 100% lying, those are logical contradictions. If you figure out Xfire is telling the truth then Xata is lying scum by derivation

Well....or they should be....

Why the fuck would scum be dumb enough to lie about something as obvious as this. HE LIED HE'S SCUM is soooo fucking stupid.


Dumb? No
Setting a misslynch on Xfire? Most likely
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:41 GMT
#3524
I was surprised they didn't nerf anything from the role I made.

I had like 20 minutes to figure out what the items would do so I just slapped random powers on each of them.

A Photo makes you a vet?
A Rubber Duck busdrives people?
A Drawing makes you a pardoner?

Yeah, all random
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:43 GMT
#3525
On July 03 2013 09:40 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 09:38 gonzaw wrote:
RBs aren't complicated

How many games have you hosted? I can get confused in a NORMAL game, when I have to send a DT check, a roleblock notification, and 1 or 2 death PMs. I always get paranoid and doublecheck everything 5 times.

This game had every single person performing an action which included bus driving, role blocking, vote stealing, inventing, tardis gifting and god knows what else.


Well, just one.
I was the "perfectionist" kind of host though, and it was a relatively normal game
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:44 GMT
#3526
Anyways Acro, you don't need to make me feel bad about the game, I already do
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 00:53 GMT
#3528
i read the obs qt

fuck
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:11 GMT
#3530
....ugh, I guess it's bye bye mafia, i feel like shit
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:13 GMT
#3532
this is just too much, from the role I got, to the ending... uguggh
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:14 GMT
#3533
On July 03 2013 10:12 kitaman27 wrote:
Also, apologies to gonzaw and crossfire if I got a bit aggressive during the last 48 hours. I didn't mean to make the decision so stressful, I just really wanted to win :p


you played awesome, i feel bad you lost
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:33 GMT
#3536
I have to give a shout out to Kurumi, for being such a bro and making me inventor.

Definitely best part of the game by far. Too bad BC didn't use the cool shit I put in it! (it has 3 cool as shit abilities and 1 day vig).
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 01:40 GMT
#3539
On July 03 2013 10:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 10:33 gonzaw wrote:
I have to give a shout out to Kurumi, for being such a bro and making me inventor.

Definitely best part of the game by far. Too bad BC didn't use the cool shit I put in it! (it has 3 cool as shit abilities and 1 day vig).

What was the invention?




You received the Ewok Whisperer Whistle!
With this whistle, you'll be able to control Ewoks as if you were an Ewok Whisperer yourself! You can use this whistle in 4 different ways, but can only do so once (after you make a single call, the whistle destroys itself!)
Produce one of these traditional Ewok calls with it to make the Ewoks perform the actions you want:

1)Kna Naa:
With this call, you can make the Ewoks chant the songs of the Spirit Tree, so that the tides of time and space bend like an AT-ST in a forest.

If you use this call at some point in the day phase, then if any action occurs in that day phase, you'll be notified about it (what it does, which players it targets, and which player did that action). You then will be able to prevent that action from happening if you choose to.
After you prevent an action from happening though, the Ewok chant fades and you can't do it anymore.
If you choose not to prevent that action from happening, you'll keep your power until the next action happens. If you use this ability in the day phase, and you prevent no action, then you can still use it in the night phase as if you had activated it then
If you use this call at night, then you will be notified of one random action that's happening that night (what it does, which players it targets, and which player did that action). You then will be able to prevent that action from happening if you choose to.

Use this call by typing ##Call: Kna Naa in the thread.
If you used it at day: Then as soon as an action happens, the host will PM you with the information described above. You'll then have to PM him either "I prevent that action", or "I won't prevent that action" (or PM him anything that makes your choice clear).
If you don't answer before 1 hour is up, the action will take place as if you had chose not to prevent it
If you used it at night: Then 1 hour before deadline the host will PM you the random action that you can prevent.
Follow same instructions as above.
If deadline arrives and you haven't chosen to prevent it (or not) yet, the action will resolve along all other night actions.

2)E s'eesht:
With this call, you make the Ewoks mad. Choose an enemy of your choice, and they'll start throwing rocks and him. LOTS OF ROCKS. He won't be able to survive...poor soul never had a chance.

If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll use 1 KP on the player of your choice instantly
This applies if you use it both at the day phase or night phase (you can instantly kill someone at the night phase)

Use this call by typing ##Call: E s'eesht in the thread.

3)Ta Tana Theesdarat:
With this call, you call the Ewoks for guidance. They'll call the old spirits of Endor, and give you wise advice about the path you shall follow

If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll be able to choose any previous phase (both day and night) from before.
After choosing the phase, choose between Active and Passive. If you choose Active, you'll be given a list of all players that used an action that phase. If you choose Passive, you'll be given a list of all players that had an action done onto them that phase.
Afterwards, you'll be able to choose one of those players.

Once you choose a player, then:
1)If you chose Active, you'll be given N+1 names of other players. You'll be given the N names of players the player you chose made an action to (i.e targeted them with an action), and 1 name chosen at random from the remaining players that were alive at that cycle.
2)If you chose Passive, you'll be given N+1 names of other players. You'll be given the N names of players that used an action on said player, and 1 name chosen at random from the remaining players that were alive at that cycle.

Use this call by typing ##Call: Ta Tana Theesdaratin the thread.
After doing that, PM the host:

"##Phase: [phase]
##Action: [Active/Passive]"

For example: "##Phase: D2, ##Action: Active"
The host will PM you back the list of players according to your choice.
Then you'll PM him back "##Player: [name of player]" with the username/nickname of the player of your choice. Then the host will PM you back the list of players according to your choice.

4)Bingee:
With this call, you call the Ewoks for knowledge. They summon the wise Ewok, who decides to tell you the knowledge you want to know, but only when you are ready to know it, are ready to learn it, and are ready to choose. The wise Ewok speaks in riddles, and knowledge won't be easy to have. He will test your wits, for your questions and answers will be hard to match. Don't expect to know everything in the galaxy, but don't resign to know what you already do.
For it is when you realize what you have to know, that you'll know, the knowledge will be eternally yours

If you use this call at any point in the cycle, you'll be able to PM the host 5 propositions. The host will then tell you the number of propositions that are correct.

However, you can only use compound propositions. If your proposition is "X is scum", then you must PM the host one of these options:
  • If X is scum THEN (other stuff)
  • X is scum AND (other stuff)
  • X is scum OR (other stuff)
  • X is scum IFF (other stuff)


IFF equals to "if and only if", which means either both values are true, or both values are false
You can include any negation inside the propositions (for example "If A THEN NOT B"), and any combination of the above (for example" IF (A AND B) THEN C")
You can't repeat equivalent propositions (for example, you can't put both "(X is scum) AND (Y is scum)" and "NOT ((X is not scum) OR (Y is not scum))" ).

Use this call by typing ##Call: Bingee in the thread.
After that, PM the host the 5 propositions, after which he'll PM you the response
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:09 GMT
#3547
On July 03 2013 10:57 Acrofales wrote:
X is scum and 1+1=2 (only true if X is scum)
Y is scum then 1+1=3 (only true if Y isn't scum. no way of formatting this positively)
Z is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if Z is scum)
W is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if W is scum)

You can use this on 4 different people, or you can use it as follows:

X is scum and 1+1=2 (only true if X is scum)
nobody is scum then 1+1=2 (always true, ggnore)
X is scum OR 1+1=3 (only true if X is scum)
Y is scum iff 1+1=2 (only true if Y is scum)

100% reliable 2man DT check: if all 4 are true, then both X and Y are scum. If 3 are true, then X is scum and Y is town, if 2 are true, then Y is scum and X is town and if only 1 is true they're both town.

I think that's the best you can get.


Ehmm... you are not supposed to use "1+1=2" or shit like that.
Why? This is not programming, you don't do boolean stuff like 1+1==2. The propositions only have to deal with in-game info and in-game info only.

If not I could just ask "X is scum and string theory is correct" and after they give me the answer be rich
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:10 GMT
#3548
On July 03 2013 10:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Why didn't BC use Kna Naa? He could have prevented kita's kill.


That's what I posted in-thread with big bold letters.
Granted, I thought Xata would have made the kill, but either way that kill was 100% happening that day and could have been prevented (that, plus geript's MK were the main reasons I made that ability)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:14 GMT
#3549
On July 03 2013 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
gonzaw, the reason why I messed up what items were what in your code was that you confused me because I thought my "day" abilities were actually abilities I could use during the day, not abilities I had to use during the night. I wasn't sure you knew this (that I couldn't use these abilities during the day) and didn't want to say it to reveal it to scum, so when I found item's E pm, it was the coin, but I just wrote medic lol.


Yeah....I thought so as well >_>
I forgot about using them at night lol

The thing is that there was a hidden ending. You would have needed to use the Empty Gun on Event C, to gain a Gun (which is 1 KP). Then on Event E you would need to use the Gun, and you would get a Minigun.

You could activate the Minigun at any time of the day phase, and it works like a 2-shot day vig. I.e you can activate it twice.

I got confused with that one and the rest, that's why I put the "I'm an idiot" post and desperately told you to use I#E lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:15 GMT
#3551
Also Acro you aren't forced to make the 5 propositions EXACTLY in that order ("if-then", then "and", then "or", then "iff", etc). You can use any of them if you want. You could use 5 ANDS if you wanted, or whatever suits you
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#3553
On July 03 2013 11:15 Crossfire99 wrote:
gonzaw can I get a link to all the parts of the story? You put a ton of work in and I want to read it all.


I asked decon to PM me back the stuff

I have it in the "Sent" folder, but that doesn't let you quote the PM I sent, so I can't copy-paste it with the format (spoiler/quote/bold/italic tags, etc)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 02:50 GMT
#3554
It's also said that you can't use "already known info".
That's layman terms for saying you can't have propositions that are derived by the rest.

So if you have p1,p2,p3,p4 and p5, then:
1) p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5 or p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- ~p5
2) p1,p2,p3,p5 |/- p4 or p1,p2,p3,p5 |/- ~p4
3) p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- p3 or p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- ~p3
4) p1,p3,p4,p5 |/- p2 or p1,p3,p4,p5 |/- ~p2
5) p2,p3,p4,p5 |/- p1 or p2,p3,p4,p5 |/- ~p1


Imagine saying "nobody is scum", as p3.
If you take the "hidden" set of propositions from regular mafia games and common sense, that is false
So S |- ~p3.

When I say "p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5" I really mean "S,p1,p2,p3,p4 |/- p5". In this case it's "S,p1,p2,p4,p5 |/- ~p3" therefore it's not valid.

By saying stuff like "you can't use already known info/repeat info" it also means it works for sub-formulas of the original formulas you have.

So if you have C="IF A THEN B", not only does C NOT have to be "already known", but neither can A nor B.
Again, to avoid breaking it like you just did.

I wanted it to be complex so they could do something like this:

If geript is scum then kita is town
(NOT kita is 3P neutral survivor) OR Dandel shot solstice on D1
austin is scum AND gonzaw is town
BC shot MZ on D2 OR (NOT gonzaw RBed BC on D1)
If (BC is town AND austin doesn't hide any info about his role) THEN (geript is scum OR kita is bulletproof)

And depending on answer you would have to recreate the semantic tree and see what you can do with it!
That's fun!

There's no fun in saying "gonzaw is town AND 1+1=2", if you want to do that then just say "gonzaw is town AND TRUE" it's the same thing.


Also no, "already known info" isn't allowed, so saying "Acro was alive on D1" is already known info, or is a true proposition that belongs in S
Since you PM it to the host yourself, you cant use info YOU know (but other people don't) either.

So BC could have put "geript is scum AND the 5th letter of my role PM Is 't' ".
Not only does it give YOU more "easy" info (you just convert a complex formula into the simple easy to process one "geript is scum"), but it may give other players more info if you tell the thread about it.

I'm not so sure about the 2nd issue there, but if you made a complex enough set of formulas, if you get a specific answer maybe others could determine if one of those propositions was true or false, because that would be the only way you would know the whole answer.
But....you could just replace the "true" proposition (only you know of) with anything else and just give town a different answer.
Still it's still cheating so not allowed
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:10 GMT
#3556
Also, it's even easier than that.

You could do this if you want:
"austin is scum AND (gonzaw is town OR (NOT gonzaw is town))"
You get the same equivalent formula "austin is scum", no need to say "Acro was alive in D1" or stuff like that.

That's why the same method has to apply to sub-formulas as well
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:11 GMT
#3558
Although yeah, most likely if you could you could "break" it to do what you want...specially since i don't think I made this stuff clear to the hosts >_> (I just put the "you can't put already known knowledge" part in the PM)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:14 GMT
#3559
Basically, Kurumi had convinced me to put a listcheck in it

"But a DT listcheck is OP and boring!" I thought.
Then I thought "what other ability is awesome as fuck?". Then I remembered possibly one of my favourite abilities: Phoenix Wright

So I thought "Wouldn't it be cool if I could make a LISTCHECK OF PHOENIX WRIGHTS???? OMG!!" and so the Binge was born
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 03 2013 03:15 GMT
#3562
Also I dunno if this is sad or not but I wiki'd those phrases so they were actually from lore (google them and they have meanings and shit. Like "Binge" is "guide" and "E sheet" is "Attack", etc)
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