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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
June 11 2013 22:59 GMT
#55
/in

Looks like my kind of game :>>>
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 09 2013 03:43 GMT
#125
/out
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 19 2013 06:32 GMT
#660
Yeah Ace, why didn't you claim during the silent night-action resolution period.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 20 2013 02:18 GMT
#749
On July 20 2013 10:49 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 10:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:58 kholly wrote:
After much discussion in PMs, it was decided that I should post the following:

Vivax was checked last night. He is mafia.

Damn this town is just brimming with detectives.

I checked Ace like I said I was going to and got SK

Is SK a frameable outcome? Looks like Ace would be the better lynch because SK reduces KPN, whereas mafia doesn't.
I'm not sure whether we should trust MZ considering he also claimed on Night 1 for no reason.

Let's look at our possible lynches today.
FirmTofu - I'm town. Ace lied when he said he checked me. DrH is the only one with a case against me.
Ace - MZ says he checked Ace and got SK
Vivax - kush says he's mafia according to what someone said in a PM
kholly - chez who is playing like mafia chez
Oatsmaster - rayn says he knew too much information about Gumshoe's death.

I would be willing to lynch kholly or Ace. I'm leaning toward Ace because SK is far more dangerous than potential mafia and we can always lynch MZ if he lied.


FirmTofu, for someone who so vehemently denounces meta usage, why are you willing to lynch kholly for what is a pure meta read on a player that isn't even confirmed to be that player?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 20 2013 02:40 GMT
#755
I have a really hard time accepting that with stuff like this in your filter:

On July 16 2013 13:49 FirmTofu wrote:
3) I cannot read any of the players in this game well. I am against the use of meta in general, so even if I could read them based on past play, I would never make a case on them based on it.


On July 17 2013 10:56 FirmTofu wrote:
This is actually absolutely ridiculous. I will not respond to any additional arguments that center around meta because I am fundamentally against using it to divine alignments. Any good player should know that meta is subject to WIFOM and is nearly always meaningless.

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 20 2013 02:58 GMT
#758
On July 20 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 11:18 Adam4167 wrote:
On July 20 2013 10:49 FirmTofu wrote:
On July 20 2013 10:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:58 kholly wrote:
After much discussion in PMs, it was decided that I should post the following:

Vivax was checked last night. He is mafia.

Damn this town is just brimming with detectives.

I checked Ace like I said I was going to and got SK

Is SK a frameable outcome? Looks like Ace would be the better lynch because SK reduces KPN, whereas mafia doesn't.
I'm not sure whether we should trust MZ considering he also claimed on Night 1 for no reason.

Let's look at our possible lynches today.
FirmTofu - I'm town. Ace lied when he said he checked me. DrH is the only one with a case against me.
Ace - MZ says he checked Ace and got SK
Vivax - kush says he's mafia according to what someone said in a PM
kholly - chez who is playing like mafia chez
Oatsmaster - rayn says he knew too much information about Gumshoe's death.

I would be willing to lynch kholly or Ace. I'm leaning toward Ace because SK is far more dangerous than potential mafia and we can always lynch MZ if he lied.


FirmTofu, for someone who so vehemently denounces meta usage, why are you willing to lynch kholly for what is a pure meta read on a player that isn't even confirmed to be that player?

When meta is one of the only methods of reading someone, I am forced to use it to justify a lynch on an unconstructive player. I've already run through why kholly is a good lynch aside from meta in many of my posts. His voting patterns are consistent with scum ideology and he is useless to town.

I might as well be clear. I don't think the reasoning that kholly=chez and chez=mafia chez justifies the lynch by itself. I am using meta to convince other people to vote for someone I find scummy because of different reasons.




Lets take this a step further. Even assuming that kholly is Chezinu - Is this your meta read, or someone else's?

I don't think you've played more than one game with Chezinu and from what I can see, hes still unflipped in that game. So how in the shite can you have a meta read on him if you're working with a sample of 1 game where hes not even dead.

If you're using someone else's meta read to justify your lynch on a player, when you don't even believe meta is a credible tool, why wouldn't you just say 'He scum because he votes like shit and doesn't scum hunt. The End."?
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 20 2013 03:15 GMT
#766
Erh, terrible.

Absolutely terrible.

I have to go to a wedding, so ill be phone posting for the rest of the day as required.

I feel confident this is the right place for my vote.

##Vote: FirmTofu

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 21 2013 02:21 GMT
#860
I'll sheep rayn right now since I don't have time to do much else.

Those PM's from sloosh are uninspiring.

##Vote:Sloosh
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
July 21 2013 04:31 GMT
#865
No way in hell that was Rayn.

Sloosh dies tomorrow.
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