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On July 22 2013 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 20:37 kushm4sta wrote:
for end of game bragging rights:
3 scum left, 1 sk left (unclaimed shot on yamato)
drh
kholly
rayne
? some other random person First of all you are wrong probably on everyone in your list. Do you think Sloosh is town as you seem like? Explain the pardoning on Sloosh. Show nested quote +On July 22 2013 20:46 kushm4sta wrote:
@vayne how many pardons do you have? could you pardon yourself? I am assuming you mean me? I have one, as i have had whole game. I have not asked if i can pardon myself but i would assume yes.
Given he said 3 mafia left, I'm taking kush to mean he thinks slOosh/strongandbig are confirmed. I'd also assume you can't pardon yourself, that seems a bit silly. Imagine impeaching a president and the president waiving the charges or something.
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I was just flicking through Vayne's filter, and in doing so I came across this again:
On July 22 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no reason why you should not have voted for Sloosh on D2 as your team pardoned him. I pushed his lynch on both days.
Under the assumption that slOosh is flipping mafia, this is actually a really important perspective to take out of it. Looking at people who didn't want to kill slOosh day 1 and then did on day 2 might be a good place to look for a mafia or two.
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Seems I'm burping through my posts a little, sorry about that. Decided to have a look at the day 1 and day 2 votecounts. All this taken under the assumption slOosh is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler [Vote Counts] +On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Vote count incoming.
VisceraEyes - 6
Oatsmaster
gumshoe
slOosh
yamato77
FirmTofu
Ace
strongandbig
layabout
kholly
kholly
VayneAuthority - 0
DoctorHelvetica
DoctorHelvetica - 1
kholly
FirmTofu
Meapak_Ziphh
Sloosh - 5
raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority
HiroPro
kushm4sta
VisceraEyes
Vivax
Vivax
FirmTofu
Kholly - 1
gumshoe
marvellosity
Strongandbig - 1
Vivax
gumshoe
Vivax
raynpelikoneet - 0
Koshi
Sandroba - 0
Malongo
Malongo - 1
VisceraEyes
Koshi
Oatsmaster - 0
DoctorHelvetica
Firmtofu - 1
DoctorHelvetica
gumshoe
Meapak_ziphh - 5
Mr. Wiggles
layabout
Malongo
kholly
gumshoe
VisceraEyes
Ace - 0
Vivax
VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated. On July 21 2013 14:20 geript wrote:
DoctorHelvetica (0): kholly, kholly, Vivax
FirmTofu (2): Ace, Malongo, DoctorHelvetica, raynpelikoneet, strongandbig, Kushm4sta, Adam4167, kholly, Oatsmaster
layabout (1): slOosh
Ace (0): FirmTofu, Ace, FirmTofu
kholly (1): Vivax, Koshi, FirmTofu, Marvellosity
Oatsmaster (0): raynpelikoneet, Vivax
Vivax (0): Kushm4sta, FirmTofu
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Korynne, FirmTofu, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet
slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167
strongandbig (1): Koshi, kholly
VayneAuthority (1): Malongo
Not Voting (1) : Meapak_Ziphh
Day 1: slOosh: rayn, Vayne, HiroPro, kush, FirmTofu
Day 2: slOosh (9): Mr Wiggles, Kushm4sta, layabout, Meapak_Ziph, raynpelikoneet, Vivax, VayneAuthority, Korynne, Koshi, Adam4167
So people marked in blue are people who voted slOosh both days, and therefore look quite good. Incidentally I'd say that at this stage, it would be a good reason for Vayne and rayn to stop taking slugs out of each other, even though it's nice for a bit of rhyming. At the moment I think you're both town.
Bold people are confirmed flips, and anyone in unbolded green is a current town-read of mine. So that leaves Wiggles, layabout, and Adam (a replacement).
Pre-edit: Votecount was wrong, layabout wasn't voting for slOosh, and Meapak was but omitted on geript's votecount
Here's what Wiggles had to say about slOosh day 1:
On July 18 2013 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
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I think a lynch between MZ and VE would be a good choice. I'm not as sure about the Sloosh lynch. He hasn't done too much, but having a couple posts defending himself is not so bad in my opinion, simply because he was attacked by several people for his opinion on PMs. So, to use posts talking about that after seems natural, similar to how Tofu had posts defending himself based on his post about the traitor.
And then day 2:
On July 21 2013 03:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I haven't posted yet. I was hashing things out in PM yesterday.
I don't think MZ is the best lynch for today. I don't get as much of the same feeling I did yesterday that he's scum.
I generally agree with Vivax's reads and they fall in line with a lot of what I've been thinking. I think Sloosh would be a good choice for the lynch today. I didn't think he was as scummy yesterday, because he was attacked quite early, so focusing more on defense wasn't incredibly alignment indicative, but since yesterday, he hasn't made up for it. After the pressure on him stopped, he hasn't really done anything. He's made an analysis on layabout, but he's not actually pushing for anyone to vote for him. Compare the effort he's put in to getting layabout lynched compared to the effort he put into his defense on Day 1. It's pretty disproportionate. This shows that he was more worried about saving himself from dying compared to the effort he's put into finding scum, and now that he needs to help hunt scum, he's done just enough to look like he's helping.
Additionally, Sloosh was soft-defended by Yamato a few times, with him making excuses for Sloosh's activity and lack of sucmhunting. Even his last post where he says that he maybe wants to lynch Sloosh, he puts a condition on it, saying that he'll only lynch him if he doesn't start scumhunting. This gives sloosh yet another out. This is somewhat relational, and while secondary to what I wrote above, is still another mark against him.
##Vote: Sloosh
One curious thing about it is that he's backing off what seemed to be a pretty damn strong scumread on MZ for no actual reason other than "I don't get as much the same feeling.". Also, I feel the context of Vivax's mason logs is kinda important:
On July 22 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote:Posting my logs cause I'll die anyway:
mason: WigglesThis guy has really been a pain in the ass to chat with. He's hesitant, lacks proactivity, disappears randomly. I always had this scum feeling about him. If I had to fill the next slot for scum it'd be him. He also did some sketchy switch. When I asked him in chat who he would lynch now immediately, he said layabout, the next thing he did in a post was voting SlOosh. I asked him about it, he replied with this, make of it what you will, but this guy has to post a lot more, it's absolutely not ok that he has gone ignored for so long: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Mr. Wiggles [ 4716 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Mason Date: 7/21/13 03:43 I feel like the case on Sloosh is strong as well. I also don't think MZ is a good lynch, and it feels like there's more support from the people I think are town for a sloosh lynch compared to a layabout lynch. I'd be alright lynching either, but I feel Sloosh is now the better choice for today's lynch. It will also give us more information based on what happened Day 1. Show nested quote +Original Message From Vivax:
In chat yesterday you said you'd lynch layabout instantly if you could. Why do you pick SlOosh now that I actually found a piece of evidence about layabout that's one of the most damning pieces in my cases? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wiggles feels like scum, he's robotic, his stories have this feeling of "narrative", he tries to deliver straight stories as much as possible, especially his PM there looks kinda fabricated, not that it matters, cause remember, SlOosh S & B and layabout have priority imo, Wiggles needs to be pressured a lot more.
The emphasis is mine. Seems Wiggles found himself on slOosh despite basically ignoring him day 1 and thinking there were better targets (layabout) day 2. Conclusion? Looks pretty fishy, but not conclusive.
Spoilering the layabout stuff I wrote below because the votecount was wrong :/
+ Show Spoiler +So how about layabout? Day 1 slOosh mentions: On July 18 2013 09:44 layabout wrote:
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For a 24 player game we have a vote's spread pretty thinly:
here are the leaders as far as i can tell and we should not be lynching slOosh.
votes
sloosh: 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta VisceraEyes
VE: 3 FirmTofu yamato77 slOosh
snb:2 Vivax gumshoe Interesting anyways. Why shouldn't we? On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote:
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It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on.
But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread.
VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context.
Moving on to after the day 1 lynch.... On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:
slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious . slOosh now scummy, after saying he was a terrible lynch day 1. On July 21 2013 11:29 layabout wrote:
apparent ly mz was lying as a joke. what a dick. i athinkingm about not playing with him again. what a horeible attitude.
why has no one pmed me yet?
if i am around i might switch to slOosh. but i havent filtered him and i am not thinking straight And............ just realised this is all hopeless, because the Day 2 votecount was wrong and layabout was actually voting for MZ, and not slOosh. Lame.
And Adam... not a lot to say about Adam.
On July 21 2013 11:21 Adam4167 wrote:
I'll sheep rayn right now since I don't have time to do much else.
Those PM's from sloosh are uninspiring.
##Vote:Sloosh
That's all we have.
Meapak... I kinda think he's town, and it's a bit hard to pin him down on his filter. Day 1 MZ fails to mention slOosh at all. Post Day 1:
On July 20 2013 01:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Ace my man I thought your reveal was gonna have more... flair. Must say I'm dissapointed son.
I for one would much rather lynch sloosh than FT
First mention that I can find.
On July 21 2013 05:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I like me some sloosh lynch.
On July 22 2013 08:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually lets make a deal vayne, we lynch sloosh. He flips town, we kill rayn. He flips scum, we kill you.
This one looks pretty terrible, but ugh. I have to say I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping MZ is town, because I can't give any massively rational reasons why it should be the case.
Just some general musings on votecounts; On Day 1 Meapak had 5 voters, as one of the 3 main wagons. 3 of the wagon have flipped town (gumshoe, VE, Malongo) leaving Mr Wiggles and layabout. This alone makes it pretty likely at least one of Wiggles and layabout was mafia - working on the assumption that at least 3 of the wagon on VE were mafia (yamato/slOosh/s&b, possibly kholly...).
It's kinda unfortunate there were so many no-shows on Day 1, leaves a lot of information missing.
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On July 23 2013 03:37 strongandbig wrote:
I went afk because i got busy this weekend and we're lynching sloosh no matter what anyway. Why does everyone call me scum whenever I get busy?
Other than inactivity what's the case against me? Vivax has been tunneling me all game (just like he does every game) based on my bad first post, but everyone else seems to just have been coasting along with his tunnel.
And I will defend the ace shot to my grave if necessary. There was no reason to leave him alive and every reason to want him dead.
Can you please do so, as you haven't really defended it at all so far... for example, I asked you a question before. It's in my filter if you want to find it, I bolded your name and everything.
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No, it's just that this is a completely different sort of game, so comparing the two styles is a pretty fruitless endeavour.
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On July 23 2013 18:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Am I really worth killing? I'm just trying to stay out of the way, since vayne doesn't need vets I'm waiting to be dazzled by his scum hunting brilliance
That's not even the main problem with what Oats said.
Vivax didn't say he wanted to lynch you at all? So I have no idea what Oats is talking about.
Wiggles is going through the motions and not even reading/responding to the thread at all anymore.
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It would especially surprise me.
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slOosh masoned me. Apparently mafia have an SK check on me, but I'm not SK. Tried to get what information I could, but he was careful. Skype logs. I'm Andrew.
[10:21:00 PM] Inwho: hello?
[10:21:05 PM] Andrew McDougall: hey
[10:21:20 PM] Andrew McDougall: soooo
[10:21:25 PM] Andrew McDougall: you dead 
[10:21:39 PM] Inwho: um yea :/
[10:21:43 PM] Inwho: well
[10:22:00 PM] Andrew McDougall: about that
[10:22:28 PM] Inwho: so if you haven't figured it out
[10:22:30 PM] Inwho: I'm scum
[10:22:34 PM] Inwho: pretty obv
[10:22:42 PM] Andrew McDougall: excellent
[10:22:45 PM] Andrew McDougall: so why did you mason me
[10:23:18 PM] Inwho: we know you are sk based on cop check
[10:23:41 PM] Andrew McDougall: interesting
[10:23:47 PM] Inwho: we are offering you a joint victory
[10:23:59 PM] Andrew McDougall: :/
[10:24:02 PM] Andrew McDougall: how do I go about that?
[10:24:21 PM] Andrew McDougall: I understand you'd want something from me, else you wouldn't be doing this lol
[10:25:30 PM] Inwho: mhmm
[10:25:50 PM] Inwho: we want to not stack kp
[10:26:18 PM] Andrew McDougall: who do you want to hit? or who should i not be hitting
[10:26:21 PM] Andrew McDougall: whatever you want to tell me
[10:27:38 PM] Andrew McDougall: also you have a cop, wat?
[10:28:54 PM] Inwho: hold on talking in scumQT
[10:45:06 PM] Andrew McDougall: this is so unexciting.
[10:45:17 PM] Inwho: yea my bad :/
[10:47:28 PM] Inwho: is it evening over there?
[10:47:46 PM] Andrew McDougall: it is
[10:47:48 PM] Andrew McDougall: 22:47
[10:48:06 PM] Inwho: ah pretty late
[10:48:15 PM] Inwho: ok so we have done the talkings
[10:48:22 PM] Inwho: and we want you to shoot the koshi
[10:49:20 PM] Andrew McDougall: what will happen in upcoming days?
[10:50:11 PM] Inwho: There's a really complicated situation we need to sort out first
[10:50:31 PM] Inwho: i.e. we aren't sure right now
[10:50:49 PM] Andrew McDougall: i think my point is dear
[10:50:52 PM] Andrew McDougall: you're going to be dead.
[10:51:22 PM] Andrew McDougall: so unless you think me killing koshi is enough, then we need somethng a bit more sophisticated than this
[10:54:08 PM] Inwho: how do we trust you
[10:54:22 PM] Andrew McDougall: i don't know, and i understand why that's a problem.
[10:54:34 PM] Inwho: hrmph
[10:54:36 PM] Inwho: well
[10:54:53 PM] Andrew McDougall: if I propose a couple of shots maybe?
[10:55:12 PM] Andrew McDougall: i know you gotta cover your ass
[10:57:09 PM] Inwho: Could you propose three shots, and we will choose between them and koshi.
[10:57:36 PM] Andrew McDougall: you understand I meant for nights going forward, not this one ? I'm happy to shoot Koshi tonight, simply because he thinks i'm mafia lol
[10:58:14 PM] Inwho: oh hold on then :x
[10:59:05 PM] Andrew McDougall: silly billy. just think about it, you're proposing we avoid stacking shots but you're only giving me tonight to do so, which is fine and dandy. If that's fine for you guys then whatever
[10:59:18 PM] Andrew McDougall: just seems pretty wasteful
[10:59:29 PM] Andrew McDougall: if I'm going to side with you we need to kill off town asap
[11:00:34 PM] Inwho: KK could you propose 3 for the following night?
[11:00:43 PM] Andrew McDougall: sure
[11:00:47 PM] Andrew McDougall: let me go have a check.
[11:02:06 PM] Andrew McDougall: rayn/adam/oats
[11:02:45 PM] Inwho: why rayn?
[11:03:02 PM] Andrew McDougall: claimed pardoner + got muted by mafia
[11:09:21 PM] Inwho: kk. we want you to shoot koshi tonight, and we'll contact you tomorrow
[11:09:36 PM] Inwho: and we want to ask if there's anything else you want to tell us
[11:09:49 PM] Andrew McDougall: i guess one of you has a mason then
[11:09:59 PM] Andrew McDougall: anything i want to tell you?
[11:12:17 PM] Inwho: stop making fishing comments or we will shoot you 
[11:12:46 PM] Andrew McDougall: I'm a slut for information
[11:12:57 PM] Inwho: alrighty then
[11:13:02 PM] Andrew McDougall: feel free to try to waste your shots on me though bbygrl x
[11:13:22 PM] Inwho: kk this is the end of our correspondense
[11:13:27 PM] Andrew McDougall: ok
[11:13:28 PM] Inwho: *correspondoce
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what the fuck is wrong with you people?
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I don't provide that shit to the thread to incriminate myself, you know.
Although it seems pretty obvious that slOosh opened with that to incriminate me.
Are you really that slow?
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How was it a misguided attempt to look town? Jesus fuck. I brought it to the thread because I have a scummer claiming scum to me and asking me to shoot at people.
I have no idea why scum came to me. Again, the alternative is to NOT post a conversation where it looks like I'm SK. Why is this so excruciatingly obvious to me and yet everyone else doesn't get this?
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Literally copy/pasted when we'd finished.
He also called me handsome (no homo) btw.
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Can't really be bothered to play particularly if people are going to keep calling me mafia for non-reasons. I've been upfront about any conversations I've had, and spent literally hours of my time talking about mafia to Vivax, as should be evident from our logs. If I'm suddenly red despite how all the actual options have behaved (say wiggles, layabout, Meapak) then there's nothing more I have to add to the thread.
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They're at the end of Vivax's filter.
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What's going on with you, kholly? You've spent a decent portion of the game calling me mafia, yet you seem to be defending me now. No comprendo.
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On July 24 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote:
Oats do you realize that you are soft defending marv this game? It looks a bit like you and Ace in Nuclear.
He's defending me because he's not an idiot. Would you like that accolade too?
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Forgive me, I thought it was common sense that spoke in my favour.
Apparently that's a precious commodity around these parts though.
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That's a pretty terrible defence of me, thanks Oats
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I think he's town, but I'm not totally confident.
A decent part of that is seeing some of the logs between rayn and Oats (proxied through Adam).
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I think you guys have way too much respect for the amount of effort I'd put into masoning/logs if I weren't town :/
Me and yamato faked our logs, I faked logs with slOosh, and I made infinite-logs with Vivax for shits and giggles? Really? :/
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