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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 27 2013 03:47 GMT
#1282
I was wrong. Hooray!
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 29 2013 18:12 GMT
#1431
Fun fact of the Day: On Day 1, not a single scum voted for MZ.

Here's my PMs with him, in case you missed them earlier in the thread:

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You're oddly quiet, what do you think about a layabout, sloosh, s&b scum team?

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
Looks like there's more pressure on you today. I don't think you're the best lynch though. Are you planning on stopping it yourself? I'd be willing to help try to move the lynch off of you, but that would be awkward without basically posting everything here.

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Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
There is no such role as SK in this game and yet when I mentioned it FT was rearin to go and kill Ace. SK's are very bad for scum and it's easy to look townie going after an SK. It was an easy bait and FT jumped on it. I was just trolling but FT had a really bad reaction.

Maybe he's town since he quoted the PM, we'll see if he gets modkilled.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Vivax, and what do you think of Kholly's claim? I ask because Vivax masoned me, and we talked for a while. Some of what he was saying made sense, but if he's actually mafia, it would be useful information, since he was pushing certain people quite hard in PM. I'm not sure if I believe Kholly. He's been trolling the whole game, and in my communications with Vivax, he didn't come off as scum to me. So, there's a discrepancy between my own reads and what Kholly's saying, and based on kholly's performance so far, I don't see much of a reason to believe him.

Do you actually think FT is scum? I'm not sure of it.

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
I'm not gonna say this in the thread but Ace worries me a lot and I would be so happy if he was dead. As for S&B, he says he's suspicious of Ace, Sloosh, and layabout. Those are personally fine scum reads in my book but he also jumped on the FT lynch wagon very fast for someone who is supposedly suspicious of Ace. I'm gonna keep trolling the thread for a while but I'm really interested to see who keeps pushing FT now that Ace has revealed he was lying.

What are your thoughts? If you think S&B is really that scummy you should analyze his ass.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
What are your thoughts on Strongandbig? What are your thoughts on the lynch today? What do you think of Ace's trolling?

Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
Yeah my alignment is gonna be wifom for you atm and for that I apologize, I'm town but I don't expect you to believe that. My behavior is a result of me genuinely missing the beginning of the game so I decided just to go balls out and play my scum meta until someone noticed. I was really hoping you would get a wagon started because I look like such lynchbait but that didn't happen.

I'm fairly certain VE is town. I've tried to kill him multiple times for similar behavior and he has an annoying knack for flipping town. I also don't think Tofu is scum, I just get a townie vibe from him and his posts thus far seem very genuine and not at all the way DrH is portraying them. I wouldn't at all mind seeing DrH dead since he's just being so toxic which is why I'm voting him. That and I'm really not too motivated to try and whip up an entirely new lynch in the waning hours before the deadline.

I am currently extremely concerned by sandroba's absence, I was actually planning on PMing him right off the bat but he's been afk and that makes me nervous. Aside from him there are an irritating number of inactive people.

I have to be perfectly honest, I have not been reading this game very carefully thus far, I was hoping I could get a wagon started on me and thus maybe catch a few scum being sloppy bandwagoners but that didn't pan out. The issue is the longer I play this way, the more legitimate the case against me will become so sometime tonight I'm gonna have to invest some time in so I'm properly caught up.

As for possible scum reads, at the moment I have layabout since he's been jumping back and forth on reads basically depending on who is active in the thread. He promised a case on vivax and then never followed through.

I'm not vivax's special friend, you're the only person I've masoned thus far.

Original Message From Mr. Wiggles:
I'm not too sure. I'm not really convinced at the moment either of Dr. H or Tofu are scum, at least not enough to lynch them. I felt like the VE case was alright, but as we get closer to the deadline and how people are acting about it, I'm less sure. Lynching someone like Malongo feels like a waste and a coinflip.

I'm a bit back and forth on Strongandbig, and someone else who's sticking out to me a bit now that I'm looking at more filters is Hiro. He's playing very neutrally and making an effort to explain things or ask questions while not really doing too much. For example, he hasn't offered much on who the thinks scum are besides quite lightly pushing Sloosh, but not putting too much effort into getting him lynched. He says he thinks sloosh is scum, votes for him, but in his later posts never mentions him again, even though he isn't leading in votes. It makes it seem like he doesn't care that much who gets lynched.

So, probably one of those two. Strongandbig I'm going back and forth on, and after reading again, Hiro looks scummy.

A better question, is who do you think is scum? If your behaviour is on purpose to see who would call you scum, how am I supposed to think you're town? It's quite WIFOM-y isn't it?

Are you Vivax's special friend?
Original Message From Meapak_Ziphh:
So you're the only person who noticed I was basically playing my scum meta so you're smart enough for me to PM. If you could lynch someone other than me who would it be?

Also keep pushing me in the thread, I'd rather you not reveal I've PM'd you.


His excuse for playing as scum the first two days was that it would trick scum into voting for the easy bandwagon. But, with all the flips, that obviously wasn't the case.

As for who the SK is, pick your poison. Behaviourally, MZ is incredibly absent. I haven't talked to him much since Day 2, but he hasn't forced the issue of talking to me either, besides one PM. As well, in his PMs with Rayn that got linked, he says "Let's solve the game!", but then he only gives a half-assed read on me and calls Marv an SK. It's clear he doesn't really care about figuring out who scum are. Marv on the other hand has more mechanics evidence against him in the form of the checks. Everyone's yelling he was framed or that MZ is a miller, but an easy explanation is that FirmTofu was framed on Night 1. With two parity cops, a framer isn't impossible, but no one seems to care. Marv is happy to scream that he has a green check, but the checks aren't useful since both only got 2 checks off, so there's no reference for tampering. As well, there looks to be a missing KP on Night 2, and it was on Day 3 that sloosh said Marv checked as an SK. No one claimed the extra KP on Night 1, or on Night 4, and no one claimed a hit on Night 2. So, it's not inconceivable that scum hit him, he didn't die, and they know there's extra KP, so they know there's an SK, and have a good idea that it's him. He's also just OMGUS-ing everyone who calls him scum, which makes him look worse and petulant. So, choose between the guy who doesn't care at all and is sort of floating along, and the guy who seems to care to much and has mechanics evidence against him. If the next scum who knows he's going to be lynched would just come out and tell the thread what mafia know about an SK, it would probably make things easier for their team.

The only person who looks exceedingly towny to me is Koshi. Rayn looks ok too, but the pardoner stuff means he should still have a little suspicion on him.

My gut's telling me VA looks towny, but maybe not. Kush is probably scum just trying to fit in. I'm not sure what to think of mocsta since he replaced in. His posts look good, but it's not hard to do that when you can start off fresh.

I don't see a real case against me, so here's my equally belaboured defense:
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 01:24 GMT
#1447
I do
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 02:19 GMT
#1453
Actually, I changed my mind. Kill MZ first to drop the SK KP. Then the last scum are kushm4sta + 1, probably VA or Mocsta.

I am the number 1 scum player, who suspected Hiro of being scum, so I shot him so I couldn't recruit my own traitor, then stuck on Sloosh on Day 2 even after being prodded by Vivax repeatedly, having him breathing down my neck, and trying to call me scum based on me not jumping on layabout or trying to lynch Kholly with him, based on the merits of the case, so that I had to have my team blow our pardon instead of lynching a green or forcing a cop claim. Then I tried to drum up fear in town that they had to lynch scum, or else the game was over, so that by telling them they would lose if they didn't lynch scum, I would somehow make them scumhunt more badly. This is brilliant scum play, rife with reverse psychology to confuse the town as to my own true intentions. If everything I do is opposite of the optimal scum play, then town would never suspect me of being scum. Alas, I did not care that much for the game, nor did I become too emotionally invested, so town saw through my insidious villainy and now I face my death. Alas! Alas! The bell hath tolled for the poor scum Wiggles!

And so I bid you all, Good Night.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 02:51 GMT
#1457
On July 30 2013 11:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yes kill me because I'm the next highest in the votes and thus more likely to be lynched than wiggles. Great play!

I'm not voting you, am I? I'm going to die, you just need to die next. The play's about as great as your this whole game. "Pretend" you're scum to attract 6 town players to vote for you, and then don't do anything but tunnel a townie. Very productive, scum.

On July 30 2013 11:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
I just find it amusing that he uses him voting for sloosh day 2 as a defense when everyone was on sloosh day 2, but calls me and kush possible scum when we were on sloosh day 1 and 2.

hu3hu3h3u3. stopped reading after that

Unless you think the last two scum are in Meapak/Marv/Koshi, mafia voted for Sloosh on Day 1. I was the first one on Sloosh on Day 2, and I was repeatedly asked to switch to Kholly by Vivax. You don't think that if Vivax and myself pushed very hard for a kholly lynch, we couldn't get it with marv already on board too? Scum would seize the chance to get off their buddy. It shows the amount of thought that has gone into calling me scum. Nearly everyone was on Sloosh Day 2, so saying that hopping onto the bandwagon quite late makes you town is laughable.

On July 30 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote:
(21/25)
wiggles

I don't k ow how long to the lynch, but tell me more about your read on kush.

what is setting off alarm bells?? why do u think koshi is innocent?

also did u notice in ya limited filter, day1, u openly asked questions to yam/sloosh/snb that allowed them to answer unimportant questions and enable them to blend in?

For Kush, mostly process of elimination, and the feel I get from his posting. I get a town ready from Koshi based on how hard he pushed strongandbig yesterday. I think scum would have taken the mislynch. I like Rayn's posting for looking town too, but there's a lot of stuff around him that makes him uncertain.

Kush basically, has not struck me as being town. His posting is very forgettable, and I haven't really noticed him throughout the game. It's that sort of posting a lot but not saying much or sticking out your neck that makes him look scummy to me.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 02:51 GMT
#1458
Also, how do I defend myself from a case made of vapour? I'm mostly just taking the chance to laugh at the lack of a case.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 03:59 GMT
#1464
I'm dead, why am I going to dick around with votes? That's a weird question, considering I'm going to flip in a little bit.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 30 2013 04:44 GMT
#1468
Then probe away, and as deeply as your heart desires. I just thought the question was silly, considering my post where I said much the same to MZ.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
August 05 2013 02:33 GMT
#1824
GG, thanks for hosting.

I didn't get too emotionally invested in this game, and I think that contributed somewhat to my lynch. I got too focused on the checks, and that was bad, especially with layabout's check being wrong. That basically screwed me, haha, since I tunneled in on it, and then it was incorrect info anyways. Oh well, honest mistake from him. I got way too tunneled in on the check, that I started becoming paranoid about everything else in the game. I'd suspected s&b of being scum for quite some time, but started doubting myself when koshi was pushing him (someone I didn't feel good about then), and rayne was pushing him (who I doubted since korynne hadn't flipped, so there was still a leak in the layabout pms, and there was the unexplained sloosh pardon). I also made too many assumptions about the setup, which was bad, and led me down the wrong path.

I was wrong about some things though, and wasn't very active or invested in the game, so I ended up getting lynched. Day 2, I lost some of my interest with all the trolling going on, and the big fight between Dr.H/FT. The modkills and Dr.H rage-quitting also didn't help, so I mostly read the game, but didn't participate too actively, which probably didn't help too much.
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