[N] Sicilian Mafia Style - Page 2

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 21 2013 06:21 GMT

#870

On July 21 2013 15:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No one is going to kill me. I was out of town today and it was on short notice. I'll catch up with this thread by the end of Night 2. Sorry everyone. If you consider that, you're dumb.

Welcome back, was just worried you committed seppuku because of FirmTofu.

At least now you'll have a reasonable about of posts.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 22 2013 02:20 GMT

#932

When did everything turn into such a clusterfuck? >_<

I honestly don't know what to say. The only thing I have so far is that we should not forget about SnB. Whether Sloosh turns up scum or town, pretty sure SnB was next in the spot light for the vigi shot.

I'm surprised at how little attention everyone's paid to the vigi shot. If it takes 2 days to lynch Sloosh, that's plenty of time for SnB to disappear off everyone's radars and for new targets like Marv and Wiggles. Yeah only Vivax has really suspected them, but there's a lot of support Vivax chatter (ex. kholly) even though kholly's not even mason'd with Vivax. Also just because of the length of what Vivax posted someone is bound to get tunneled in on it or something and next thing we know we've all forgotten about SnB (and maybe he makes some posts to redeem himself).

Oh also, please please please let's not talk about Sloosh's lynch tomorrow unless something weird happens. If all you have to say is sloosh got pardoned he must be mafia make like a 1-liner about it in your post and vote for him. Unless someone claims the pardon, or does something, or whatever, then there's no reason for us to discuss it and waste posts/town bandwidth on it.

TL;DR - Don't forget what we were doing and don't be sidetracked.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 22 2013 02:21 GMT

#933

OH NO IM SORRY I TOOK A NAP AND THEN I DONE GOOFED THE SECOND DAY IN A ROW. T____T

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 22 2013 06:07 GMT

#942

@DrH and anyone else:

Review the Sloosh case if you'd like, but basically he got pardoned and I don't see any reason to save him. Rayn claimed pardoner and said he didn't save Sloosh (and if rayn lied and wants Sloosh alive, then they're both scum). So whoever saved Sloosh is scum pardoner, unless someone's going to claim saving Sloosh for whatever god awful reason.

Unless you see a reason not to lynch Sloosh today, please don't waste time on the matter and vote for him, and continue mafia hunting others.

I personally need a while to go through everything... seems like a whole clusterfuck. Also haven't had a chance to talk to my masons much due to time zones so I'd like to do that as well.

(voting for sloosh in voting thread)

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 22 2013 19:19 GMT

#976

SnB and Sloosh

You guys /STILL/ haven't posted your chat logs with each other. So uh, you're both scum until at least one of you produces the evidence.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 01:02 GMT

#1048

On July 24 2013 09:12 kholly wrote:
what if one is blue and the other is green. Why are people ignoring this fact. They even talk about a sk but no the possibility of a blue.
But then again... VE was green yet possess a blue role... while ace was blue with a blue role....
The Silencer is not alone in contradictions..
The possibility of multiple cops seems likely due to the following constraints:

Uh, can you please make some sense? Are you saying you or someone you know checked VE or Ace or what? Also what does what you say below have to do with the possibility of multiple cops and you didn't list cops in either list...

On July 24 2013 09:12 kholly wrote:
mafia pros

suppose mafia has pardoner, Silencer and dayvig
mafia has KP of 2 (the sK is a lie, yes it is uncapitalized! Cause I'm a חבל - chebel [aka I used no encryption here. I no breaks rules even though I claim to be a chebel]).
plurality lynching

town roles

pardoner (pretty useless, no info if used and allows mafia 2 more night kills)
jailkeeper
bodyguard (kind of uselesss, replace town with other town or replace scum with town.. yeah guarantee lost of town life)
dayvig - one shot
nightvig - one shot

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 06:34 GMT

#1064

On July 24 2013 14:30 kholly wrote:

Show nested quote +

Medic on VayneAuthority this time.

holly can you make some sense? T___T You claim they're all red and now you're saying medic should protect Vayne??

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 20:13 GMT

#1104

So it looks like we're probably down to between SnB, Marv, and MZ tomorrow.

ASSUMING cop claim is accurate, then there is a 50%+ chance for Marv or MZ to be anti-town.
That means that if we lynch Marv or MZ we have a baseline 50% chance to be right. On top of that, take whatever read you have on Marv or MZ, and that's a really solid lynch.

SnB on the other hand, I think town pretty much agrees looks really scummy, and we'll lynch him later, but I think we really need to prioritize Marv/MZ.

1) If there is an SK in the game, killing marv/mz reduces night KP by 1
2) If there isn't an SK in the game, killing scum marv/mz/snb has the same effect (it either reduces KP or it doesn't, but if marv and snb were both scum, it's pretty equivalent)

Now, if we assume that marv/sloosh convo and the mz/marv cop check are related, then there's a way higher chance that the cop claim is accurate and town as well as Marv/MZ being SK. If you think they're related that pretty much clears the cop check.

Also if you think the cop check is legit, then 1 of Marv/MZ is GUARANTEED to be anti-town. Whereas SnB is just a strong town scum read.

So lynching Marv/MZ is much more of a guarantee than SnB.

TL;DR - If you are approximately equally sure between SnB and Marv/MZ, you should vote for Marv/MZ.

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I wrote this up before seeing Wiggles post. I'd just like to emphasize that if the MZ/Marv cop claim is related to the Marv/Sloosh convo then I think the cop claim is definitely more legit looking. Either way obviously what happens tonight should tell us quite a bit.

ALSO - Does anyone else finds it weird that MZ and Marv don't really question the legitimacy of the cop? MZ says lynch him and Marv, no mention of well what if the cop is fake and we're both innocent. Marv just screams LOOK AT MY TOWN CRED EVERYONE. Hmm...

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 20:26 GMT

#1107

On July 25 2013 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
I think you guys have way too much respect for the amount of effort I'd put into masoning/logs if I weren't town :/

Me and yamato faked our logs, I faked logs with slOosh, and I made infinite-logs with Vivax for shits and giggles? Really? :/

If you were SK that would still make sense.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 20:35 GMT

#1109

On July 25 2013 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
I guess I best start shooting town then!

... Why are you acting like this Marv? >_< I'm just saying it doesn't clear you. It's the same thing as Rayn, where you two run around being all OMG LOOK AT MY TOWN CRED. I'm just saying, the actions also make sense for an SK.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 20:50 GMT

#1113

On July 25 2013 05:38 marvellosity wrote:
I don't have cred, it's just dumb to think I'm not town, that's all. So who do I shoot? I'll let you decide Korynne, you seem like a nice fellow. I'm thinking rayn, I know he loves being shot.

Pewpewpew, pewpew! *kaboom*

Can't tell if you're serious... I mean I would tell you to shoot SnB because I think we all agree he looks scummy.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 24 2013 20:59 GMT

#1115

On July 25 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:
Deadly, deadly serious. Don't wanna shoot s&b though, he played in my first newbie with me. Such a qt patootie.

What kind of excuse is that? Wanna shoot MZ then to clear you two up? Or you just gunna make up some new excuse? How about you just give me a list of people you won't kill so we don't have to waste posts going back and forth.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 02:29 GMT

#1127

Here's relevant parts of layabout's dying words. I'm not posting our entire logs in the thread for certain reasons but if you want to see them you can mason me (ask me in thread first if you look scummy I'm not sending them to you if you mason me).

Also I will be sending the whole thing to one of my masons to verify that they've read the whole thing and I'm not hiding anything to implicate me.

Basically cop confirmed, one of MZ/Marv is scum, MZ looks suspect right now based on voting Day 1.

Oh also I told layabout to ask RoL if scum and SK read as different alignment, but he did not get an answer back before he died. So, we don't know basically.

+ Show Spoiler +

[9:52:10 PM] Marc Quinn: but i cant remmeber why we started
[9:52:27 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW VisceraEyes - 7
Oatsmaster
slOosh
yamato77
Ace
strongandbig
layabout
kholly
[9:52:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: RIGHT NOW Sloosh - 5
raynpelikoneet
VayneAuthority
HiroPro
kushm4sta
VisceraEyes
[9:52:40 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Meapak_ziphh - 1
Mr. Wiggles
[9:52:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: CHANGES:
[9:52:59 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: FT -> sloosh, FT not on that list, so +1 SLOOSH
[9:53:13 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: layabout VE -> MZ, -1 VE, +1 MZ
[9:53:26 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: Malongo -> MZ, not on that list, so +1 MZ
[9:53:38 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly : -1 VE, +1 MZ
[9:53:47 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: gumshoe +1 MZ
[9:53:58 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so before kholly and VE at the last second
[9:54:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: we have
[9:54:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: VE 5, SLOOSH 6, MZ 5
[9:54:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly does something nonsensical
[9:54:46 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and VE was switching from sloosh to MZ, which makes perfect sense
[9:54:59 PM] Marc Quinn: but kholly doesn't kill VE
[9:55:10 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so the thing is
[9:55:15 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kholly, 3 min before lynch
[9:55:17 PM] Marc Quinn: and VE's switch got him killed instead of sloosh
[9:55:19 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: did something COMPLETELY USELESS TECHNICALLY
[9:55:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: he thought he was switching from 5, 6, 5 to 6, 6, 4
[9:55:36 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and like you said, sloosh got there first
[9:55:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so kholly would be doing something absolutely useless
[9:56:01 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: and the VE thought he was going 5 6 5 to 5 5 6, and he prefered MZ over sloosh, whatever.
[9:56:09 PM] Marc Quinn: so what i am saying
[9:56:28 PM] Marc Quinn: 1 no mafia on sloosh wagon
[9:56:37 PM] Marc Quinn: 2 no mafia on mz wagon
[9:57:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: why?
[9:57:21 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz wagon was good at the end
[9:57:42 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles was super early though
[9:57:44 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: so prob not wiggles
[9:57:52 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wiggles voted for MZ when noone else did
[9:57:54 PM] Marc Quinn: because we can say that mafia did not cause VE to get lynched
[9:57:56 PM] Marc Quinn: VE did
[9:58:07 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: wtf was kholly doing
[9:58:09 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia could very easily have gotten MZ lynched
[9:58:18 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: sow hy didnt they
[9:58:25 PM] Marc Quinn: ignore kholly for now
[9:58:34 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: kk
[9:59:15 PM] Marc Quinn: but mafia did not get mz lynched even though if mz is town he is a safer mislynch for them to be on
[9:59:32 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: mz is scum>
[9:59:36 PM] Marc Quinn: yes
[9:59:46 PM] Marc Quinn: which also fits with other things:
[10:00:03 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: who were your suspects? (sorry scrolling is hard

)
[10:00:14 PM] Marc Quinn: all the logs involving marv are genuine if mz is scum but faked if mz is town
[10:00:35 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: also did you ask about whether scum/sk is same alignment in cop check??
[10:00:41 PM] XinChi (Kory Bear) Yang: cuz im mad at you if you didnt
[10:00:41 PM] Marc Quinn: mz snb adam and oatsmaster
[10:00:55 PM] Marc Quinn: no answer yet but i dont think there is an sk

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 09:36 GMT

#1152

On July 25 2013 16:47 kushm4sta wrote:
Oatmaster
Korynne
Koshi
Rayntardation

These were the only people who knew about layabout. At least one of them has to be mafia. Furthermore, there are very good reasons to have townreads on 2/4 of them.
Koshi - scum tried to get koshi killed
Rayn - claimed pardoner, also literally the towniest acting person in the thread

Therefore between Oats and Korynne there is at least one scum.
So which do you want to lynch first?

Ok first of all. If there is no SK, which I think most of us agree on or at least is very likely, Koshi is not proven town at all.
Mafia knows whether there is an SK, they know how much KP they have and who they're trying to kill at night. If they have all the KP, they know they can talk to Marv or MZ and tell them to kill someone without that person being under actual threat of dying. If anything, it makes any town medics want to protect them.

I don't think Koshi looks scummy at all, and I would never lynch him over Rayn or Oats, but I'm just saying, let's not make too many assumptions.

I think we need to lynch MZ or Marv, they both look really suspicious and with layabout dead it means at least one of them is anti-town. I'm personally leaning towards MZ for scum. I'm not completely ruling out Marv for SK, but layabout never got back to me on whether scum and SK look different to a parity cop because he died. =\

Also, we never really considered, layabout may not have been due to one of us (rayn/koshi/oats/me) being a rat. There's 4/13 mafia, they're not going to kill ~Marv/MZ/SnB so that's 7 or 8 people to choose from.

Also if there was an SK like some people said they might've aimed for scum. But what if that was layabout, and not kholly? What if mafia thought kholly could've been the cop or a blue role from all the shenanigans he's been up to. Also it looks like 1 inactive-ish player has been killed each night: Hiro then Malongo. Someone with KP is looking to kill inactives, and layabout was completely inactive in the thread.

We don't know completely for sure there is a rat. We don't completely know for sure SnB is mafia (though he looks very scummy). We DO know for sure that one of Marv or MZ is anti-town. Sooo... that's pretty straightforward.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 10:06 GMT

#1154

On July 25 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok guys, 1 job. Read MZ's and Marv's filter. Vote for the scummiest one.

Thats an interesting theory Korynne.

Rayn has also stopped talking to me, less than 1 pm a day so its not like Im not responding to him and I dont understand how his read on me changed.

He's sad because you don't talk to him Oats. He misses you greatly.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 18:55 GMT

#1172

On July 25 2013 21:39 Koshi wrote:
Could it be that Vivax was so right about his targets and marv so wrong? I think that this is unlikely. That is why I still want SnB to be lynched today. We need to follow Vivax guys, he is still town MVP and he has been death after night 1...

So I suggest we lynch SnB, a guy who we ALL suspect for being scum. I am going to keep following Vivax, I want you all to keep doing that.

My opinion on MZ/marv as a lynch target for today:
MZ should never get lynched today. The only thing we have against him is a message from a flipped scum player, that claims that one of MZ/marv is "different". That's nothing really. We do not have a better chance on finding scum in MZ than SnB.
marv is still a big red target for me, but I want to go SnB first to keep on track with what Vivax told me. If SnB turns red, then we all have to remember what Vivax told us about the hesitance of marv to go after SnB.

I don't understand what you and Rayn are up to. I agree that SnB looks scummy! But you seem to have read the conversation wrong. We have a message from a flipped TOWN COP that Marv/MZ is different (the flipped scum just called Marv an SK).
THAT IS TOTALLY 100% GUARANTEED UNLESS TOWN COP IS TROLLING US.

You can't just stick to Vivax. He's dead. New things have happened. Everyone needs to adapt to new information. Yes SnB looks scummy but one of Marv/MZ is confirmed anti-town. AND if one of them is the SK that reduces night KP by 1!!!

Pros of killing Marv/MZ:
- One of them is CONFIRMED anti-town, you guys know what confirmed means right? >_<
- The anti-town member could have a scum role, or be an SK (SnB is vanilla scum at best after the shot at Ace)

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 25 2013 20:00 GMT

#1175

Yeah the way people play mafia the simplest explanation is usually true. Layabout first claimed he spoke to the cop but turns out he is the cop. VE and FT both were the roles they claimed.

What are the chances, out of this many people, that the framer got the right guy? Layabout claimed to me after he did his first two checks I don't think anybody even knew there was a parity cop.

It's like, at least 10x more likely that we have an SK (because of what Sloosh did) than having a framer AND the framer getting the right target.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 26 2013 00:41 GMT

#1179

MZ. Look at first day voting.

Scum on the VE train to get away from Sloosh, why didn't they swap over to MZ after the claim? SnB included. He was like, I see your claim and fuck you. Lynching MZ was way more credible but doesnt seem like they went for it. This was what me and layabout talked about, in his dying moments.

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 26 2013 05:15 GMT

#1193

On July 26 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would really like more posts, but I AM THE COP(parity cop).

So I checked FT day 1 and marv day 3 and no one day 2 cause Im bad at mafia.

If you say im fakeclaiming, well, guess what? You scumclaimed bro.

Wow, I don't even want to start on how terrible it is to miss a check especially since it's parity... xD

If you are parity cop, ask RoL whether scum and SK turn up the same. I asked after layabout died and he said I wasn't privy to that information. That's the only thing I have in terms of trying to prove that you're a cop.

Also you checked Marv, then there's like a 90% chance of MZ being scum/SK. And you still want to lynch SnB because?

Korynne

Canada990 Posts

July 26 2013 05:24 GMT

#1195

On July 26 2013 14:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I agree with marv now that MZ is probably town cause of his cockiness.

town/3p/scum are different alignments.

?? You said Marv and FT were the same alignment? So MZ is also town and layabout is a flat out liar????

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