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@kita
Several people seem to think that the most likely scenario is that JarJar was double stacked on night two. If mafia had control the of medic, where are they continuing to target a low profile player if they have an easy shot on fuba or WoS? Why not double stack fuba if they can still pull off the medic protect claim? A roleblocked Vivax is the most simple answer and those are usually the right ones.
why is vivax being roleblocked more likely than WoS being saved?
why are you placing so much emphasis on activity when vivax said pregame that he had finals and wouldn't be posting a lot and when activity has been poor across the board?
Day Three:
Vivax votes Ace and mentions that Vayne was his scumread, but based on the N2 actions, he is town. The strange part about this? Vivax hadn't mentioned Vayne in 100+ hours. It is as if he is trying to renforce the idea that a town Vivax must think Vayne is town, so he is going to reverse a non-existant scum read. Vivax suddenly comes up with a scum read on prplhz after the roleblock, stating that it is pretty obvious that he is scum. If it is so obvious, why isn't there a case or even a mention prior to the night action which makes him guilty. He also shares suspicion of myself.
Thinking vayne was scummy at that point in the game made sense due to his day 1 play, the night actions strongly suggested that he had pulled off a save.
Day Five:
Vivax votes prpl later on in the cycle, but puts little effort into convincing others. He comes up with a scum team based on the limits of his night actions, but doesn't do anything about it. Why would he need to put effort in as either alignment when everyone jumped on board?
Day Six:
Vivax has put absolutely no effort into defending the Vayne lynch, a player which he would strong think to be town from his perspective. He comes up with a mafia suspect in stutters, but puts no effort into lynching him, with lylo only a cycle away. He is unable to come up with a second mafia suspect and doesn't even attempt to come up with a plausible scenario. Why have you written all of this when Vivax hasn't posted since the very start of the day? You are trying to draw a connection that doesn't exist.
I don't like the smell of your case kita.
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frankly i am stumped.
too much talk has been about role etc which people can talk about objectively and take either stance on reguardless of alignment.
I really don't like kita's case on vivax and up til this point vivax has only been a target for me because it's possible that he was roleblocked and that's why KP was missing, in terms of the stances he has taken they have mirrored my own or made sense to me. I don't see why a roleblock is more likely than a sucessful medic save.
Kita's case feels like he is trying manipulate the thread with shaky reasoning that looks neat and convincing if you skim over it.
On the other hand I have been waiting to see what vivax will do today. He had reversed his stutters read. He said he thought jay and i would be scum if prplhz wasn't but then today he was absent and only came back to support the counter wagon to him.
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On June 21 2013 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 00:02 layabout wrote:
Kita's case feels like he is trying manipulate the thread with shaky reasoning that looks neat and convincing if you skim over it. If my argument uses shaky reasoning can you please provide counter examples? 1Does Vivax push people to lynch rayn day one aside from a couple one liners? 2Is it reasonable for him to not check he player he thinks is obviously scum? 3Does Vivax go all out to push a prpl lynch on d4 after coming back with a green check on sent? 4In the last two cycles has Vivax provided scum suspects outside of night action analysis?
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"aside from a couple of one-liners". So your saying he did push rayne but not that hard?
2On June 11 2013 04:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:On June 11 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself? Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are. Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone? Yup, except for the "cop-read". I said Sentinel was a better check than ace cause people were discussing him for lynch. My argument for him being town hadn't really been accepted, and wasn't even good cause he might just have been bussing for cred, in retrospect, and ace seemed to be safe from lynch anyway. day before vivax checks ace. And yes it is reasonable
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He doesnt go all out he makes a case and when it picks up no steam he switches to stutters and then finally sentinel to save himself. I agree that this looks bad, the fact that he pushed prp and stutters suggests that he wasn't convinced on either as he said he was. Switching to save himself is something that both town and mafia do however.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18918706
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18924960
he seems to have a scumread on vayne, who he has pushed today.
he also said some wishy washy crap about me being town or good scum, which might be a read.
I don't know what to think about this game anymore
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sry i have been a bit busy
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THANK GOD
+ Show Spoiler +vivax's scum play has really improved and it fooled me the first time i played with him
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On June 21 2013 08:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much confirms kita and stutters as town for me based on the way they voted early. All inno cop checks are now worthless as vivax was scum. jay inno means nothing and layabout inno means nothing
But since jay + i cannot be scum together either jay is town with a green check on me ( so i am town or gf) or jay is scum with a green check on me (so i am town).
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scum will just give green checks because if they give a red check after the checked player flips the scum player dies. With so few players alive the chance of hitting miller will be pretty high.
aim between jay stutters and vayne
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vivax was probably bussed since he couldn't believe he was alive for so long.
It's quite likely that when he was roleblocked he thought that he would have no chance of making it to endgame since we would leave him alive for that long. So i reckon his team mate(s) would have tried to avoid talking about him but with the intention of jumping on him if they had to.
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I love how you stick to the Roulette theme
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Do not claim that you were roleblocked if there is no roleblocker claim!!!
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On June 22 2013 08:42 layabout wrote:
Do not claim that you were roleblocked if there is no roleblocker claim!!!
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but a scum roleblocker shouldn't say(claim) anything today
by speaking you confirm that you target is town
+ if roleblocker doesn't claim we can't trust the person who says they were roleblocked because they might be the mafia roleblocker
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we have 1 mislynch to spare and the last scum is stutters or jaybrundage.
gg?
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Better post my random quotes that i was going to turn into analysis to show that i wanted to vote jay during the night because i am totally good at this game. Honest.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2013 08:29 jaybrundage wrote:
Wos makes sense as a mafia hit.
He was doing a great job contributing and keep the thread going and his analysis was solid.
I had a town read on Vivax earlier but his lack of activity is pretty concerning. over this series of posts he tries to On June 11 2013 05:42 jaybrundage wrote:
Well ace seems like a no brainer. Sent ill have to look into he has done some scummy stuff I think he could be scum.
Vivax. I dont know I had him as a town read before. But his non contributing ways is starting to look scummy. He just doesnt contribute much to the thread whether it be analyzing or discussing his town reads.
Im curious if anyone has a good read on stutters. He has been laying low for the most part not posting much. Never really doing anything to stand out just going with the flow.
one of jay's more common things to post is to ask for other people to do work for him. He wants to know what everyone else thinks as opposed to what they think about what he thinks. It's
He is really wishy washy about vivax, I was diving jay's filter and i found that he appeared willing to call vivax scummy but only if other people were doing it On June 12 2013 06:27 jaybrundage wrote:
I was gonna go thru Sent's filter and get a case together but im not even sure its worth the effort. I can still write up a bit if anyone shows interest. He just oozes scumminess.
Hard defending ace. And then flip flopping to vote for Oats later. Just one of the things that makes him pretty scummy.
Sent can you write up a case on vayne I see you have him as one of your scum reads.
So might do some filter diving on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867863I thought i would mention the vayne case because jay complains about vayne being self proclaimed confirmed town and jay has made vayne confirmed town.
Sent has a 1 in 6 chance (I believe) to roll miller. So its not completly out of the question that he is the godfather.
It was really strange that Jay treated me like confirmed town after my green check but when sentinel was green checked he still decided to push him. Why? Because there was no chance of me getting lynched but there was plenty of pressure on sentinel. On June 15 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:I dived Vivax's filter and i didn't find anything that makes me think he has a better chance to flip scum then sent. Given his day 1 play. I had a town read on him. Afterwards his lack of posting kinda worried me. But recently he has picked up again. I see the point about him being roleblocked and the KP not showing up. But the doctor could also be the cause of that. I'm sure scum want to kill the people keeping this town active cause if they died we would be in for a rougher time. I think Sent has a more likely to flip scum given the way he has played to this point. So kita why are you voting Vivax? he also repeatedly mentions that he is going do do filter diving or has dived someone or that he just bought a new diving helmet. These are all signs that he is wants to appear to be contributing, instead of actually doing it
Oh and ##vote: jaybrundage
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waiting on that roulette flavored endgame
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On June 07 2013 09:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Due to questionable questions that were questioned, a little PSA:
A player can not have more than one role each night.
If a role dies at night, it will be flipped as that role, not as VT/Goon.
Word yo.
Oh stutters you big silly
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