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It is clear to me that we did not spend enough time talking about his set-up. It is possible that i might help mafia by telling them how to play but i don't actually care about that.
There are 5 roles in this game:
veteran
miller/godfather
alignment cop
doctor
roleblocker
In this set-up roles are assigned randomly at night. They can go to town or mafia. We have agreed that every day everyone should claim their roless. But there is more to it than that.
If you are town and you receive cop/roleblocker/ doctor it is pretty obvious what you need to do.
+ Show Spoiler +Cop investigates people he thinks are mafia or that town plans to lynch, roleblocker aims at mafia suspects to stop a shot and doctor tries to protect people he thinks will get shot or that he thinks are town and wants to stay alive
But if you are mafia and you get one of those roles what do you do?
You can act like you are a towny that got ones of those roles for town cred you can quite easily pick someone that seems like a valid target without helping town. Alternatively you can use it to secure mislynchs since you need 3 or 4 to win the game.
Say for instance you are mafia and the mafia team acquires the doctor role and the roleblocker. You know that town has a cop and a veteran. You know that you can 100% get a kill if you doublestack. What will also happen is that whoever you roleblock will come under pressure and the member of your team that claims doctor and his target will receive (at least temporary) towncred because people will consider the strong chance that X was shot at and Y saved X from the mafia. The target can even be another mafia player. From here you can quite easily push to lynch whoever you roleblocked. What's more you can aim the roleblock at who you think the cop is to stop it. When they flip town the thread will assume that the doctor pulled off a save and that player is going to be safe from the lynch for a very long time.
That is an extreme example but what if say scum only received the doctor role? They could claim a protect on someone then shoot freely. Or they could doublestack and try to create the same scenario as outlined above. The only problem is that they do not know who the roleblocker will target. But this is a much more sensible risk to take when you know that if you just wait a bit the roleblocker will claim their action. You can ensure that the player who claims doctor isn't the player that was roleblocked you can ensure the target is on your team (if you so desire).The majority of the time the roleblcok will be on a townie and you can push them if you want but town might just do it for you. It's also not too hard to reinforce the idea that a medic save happened should of of you team be roleblocked.
So i am suggesting that we agree upon an order for the PR's to claim to minimize mafia's ability to exploit the shit out of us.
cop first
doctor second
roleblocker third
vet last but i don't think the place of the vet claim matters.
This would make it harder for scum to exploit getting cop or doc. They could still exploit roleblocker but at the moment they can exploit all three.
Did i mention we cannot trust people that claim roles?
+ Show Spoiler [other things of note] +
Whilst the miller role lives on, none of the other PR's get killed off and the proportion of mafia to town increases cop checks become even more untrustworthy.
The longer the game goes on the better mafia's chance of getting our power roles is, and mafia can exploit town power roles to get mislynches.
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That is also a large part of why we were wrong to just go with the cop check.
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disappointed that he would do that, suppose it killed the thread
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On June 12 2013 04:02 kitaman27 wrote:
layabout, your setup discussion is in regards to the order that roles should claim the next day, not at night, correct?
yup. Doing so at night would be silly. Very silly.
On June 12 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote:
@Layabout Given the new information that Ace is scum who do you see as his possible scum buddies
tentatively, vivax and sent or prp
details tomorrow.
also since ace was scum and non-rayne town votes were so spread out it looks like there was mafia on rayne.
Final Vote Count
JarJarDrinks (0):
Zephirdd (0):
prplhz (0):
Stutters695 (0):
s0Lstice (0):
Ace (1): Oatsmaster
jaybrundage (1): s0Lstice
WaveOfShadow (1): raynpelikoneet,
[UoN]Sentinel (1): slOosh
Oatsmaster (2): JarJarDinks, prplhz
mkfuba07 (2): VayneAuthority, jaybrundage
raynpelikoneet (7): Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, [UoN]Sentinel
Not voting (1): Ace
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wait isn't the deadline in an hour?
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remember claim order? do that
and hurry up about it i am sure everyone is dying to post.
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lynchlist:
prplhz
sentinel
vivax
kitaman
mkfuba
also didn't most if not all of fuba's towncred come from Ace attributing the rayne lynch to him?
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On June 14 2013 08:59 prplhz wrote:
lay why isn't jay on your list at all
after my argument with jay and his greencheck on me i thought he would be more likely town than the people on that list.
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prplhz roleblocked vivax because he thought vivax was mafia and might carry out the shot. Then there was a kill missing. Now if i thought somebody was scum and blocked them and there was KP missing i would be telling everybpdy to lynch them, wouldn't you?
he says that vivax and sentinel can't be scum together but he is choosing to go against his own opinion and is voting for sent instead.
I would much prefer that we kill prplhz today
##vote: prplhz
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vivax is way more likely town than sent
sent has been pretty off topic and even with his absence his posting hasn't been focused on what you would typically expect from someone who is town.
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and since sent stinks of scum lynch we should kill prplhz instead
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as in-being pushed by scum using wifom
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On June 15 2013 05:33 mkfuba07 wrote:Wait, what wifom is being used to push sent?
Well prp at least was re using jarjar's case which was all speculation about what scum might do. It feels like the idea is that scum shot Jarjar to protect sentinel and Ace claimed to protect sentinel too.
Think vivax is town.
##unvote
##vote [UoN]Sentinel
The case on stutters seems okay but i have kind of stopped playing
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On June 15 2013 07:07 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 07:05 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2013 07:03 kitaman27 wrote:
It makes so much more sense to lynch vivax so we can resolve the Vivax/prpl than blindly lynch into the green check. Not sure why I'm being ignored. Kita, since you're eager to lynch me for information, could you tell me how you plan to draw conclusions about prplhz from my flip? You're his super duper mafia read, he roleblocks you, he writes a case against you, and then votes sent.
so why dont we kill prp then?
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so is there going to be a flurry of activity or can i try to get my promo?
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On June 15 2013 15:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Where is everyone. We just lynched a townie and everyone is silent
I think once the thread died down we all scheduled other stuff
besides townie lynches tell you way less than scum lynches. This lynch painted a few people green but unless you try to WIFOM it there isn't any benefit to telling mafia who you think looks town at night.
The game seems to be mostly acting on roles from now on so why write a case when we have a small group of players that are suspicious and nightactions to be revealed in the morning which will dictate what we do?
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If i die remember to kill sent, prplhz and stutters
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On June 16 2013 07:54 prplhz wrote:
@lay sent was lynched yesterday
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
##vote: prplhz
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i wanted to kill him yesterday but yall were hooked on vivax vs sent
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