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Layabout, question: Don't you think it's a waste to check ace? If he's scum that's exactly what he wants. It's one less cop check to use on someone else.
If he's town then, yeah ok we saved a townie but we also lynched one, and there's always the risk that he rolled godfather or that scum got cop again, albeit being a small risk.
If Ace is town the best thing to do is check him to stop a mislynch. If Ace is scum then checking him should confirm that. There is a risk associated with checking him but that cannot be helped. But i would rather we take it than mislynch and have only day1 where people had to justify their votes beyond it being the perceived optimal play because of a check.
But do you feel that ace has a sufficient chance of being town? I found his way of talking to Oats suspicious tbh, he already knew that he was scum but he almost sounded as if he wanted to convince him of his own innocence IIRC. At least that's the impression I got from checking their interactions.
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Ace, may I ask you for your read on prplhz?
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On June 10 2013 06:10 Ace wrote:
I dont have one on him
How about a
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read on everyone you have a read on
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On June 10 2013 06:13 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 06:04 Vivax wrote:Layabout, question: Don't you think it's a waste to check ace? If he's scum that's exactly what he wants. It's one less cop check to use on someone else. If he's town then, yeah ok we saved a townie but we also lynched one, and there's always the risk that he rolled godfather or that scum got cop again, albeit being a small risk.
If Ace is town the best thing to do is check him to stop a mislynch. If Ace is scum then checking him should confirm that. There is a risk associated with checking him but that cannot be helped. But i would rather we take it than mislynch and have only day1 where people had to justify their votes beyond it being the perceived optimal play because of a check.
But do you feel that ace has a sufficient chance of being town? I found his way of talking to Oats suspicious tbh, he already knew that he was scum but he almost sounded as if he wanted to convince him of his own innocence IIRC. At least that's the impression I got from checking their interactions. Suspicious? :/ Seriously how many ways can you guys stretch things? If my name wasn't Ace no one would be questioning that check. There's some bias going on with scum motivation to get me lynched. Can one person tell me how a Town Cop coming out with a check is a bad decision there, especially when the check is on his top scum suspect.
Well I would expect more from you than trying to convince your scumread of why his points are bad against you.
So, who should a cop check tonight in your opinion, if it isn't you?
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On June 10 2013 06:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 06:14 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote:
read on everyone you have a read on Read the thread. I've given 2 scum reads in the last day. This stuff isn't exactly hard to find. Could you clarify, who are those 2 individuals?
From reading the filter I'd guess it'd be you and Sentinel
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I had a townread on Sentinel but that poll analysis of his is an even bigger trolling than mine, and his activity has ebbed down a lot. Let's see what he's up to during the day, his read switch on Oats looked somewhat genuine though.
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Kita you didn't do much outside of this Ace/oats thing, all you did was switch votes between them and spam questions to ace, your reason to switch to Oats is possibly genuine but if ace flips scum you won't be off the hook for me until you show me that you also contribute outside of this situation that is pretty detrimental for discussion. We won't find scum if we only talk about cops and their targets.
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##Vote: Ace
I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay.
There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP.
Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight.
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On June 11 2013 01:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 01:32 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Ace
I confirm that prplhz roleblocked me. I'm not scum though and this means that Vayne is most likely town barring any scum powerplay.
There's the possiblity that prplhz is scum and that they doublestacked JJD and roleblocked me to try to incriminate me, that would be pretty smart usage of a roleblock by scum, although it would cost them KP.
Seems improbable though, it would be more worth of consideration, had an active townie died tonight. I was waiting for someone to bring this up as I was thinking of this possibility myself. At what point do we draw the line in agreeing that something scum would do ACTUALLY is really unlikely? It's unlikely at first that Ace is scum and sacrificed himself for this play, yet here we are. It's unlikely that they bussed Rayn real early because they lost their power role, yet something along those lines must have happened. Personally my line is going to be drawn here: it makes zero sense to me to artificially lower your KP as scum if you're on the cusp of losing the extra one anyway, especially since if they're gambling for the lategame with the Ace play, it would take them LONGER to get to lategame with one less KP.
Idk man, after that play by ace I think nothing's gonna surprise me anymore.
Vayne was my scumread, but he has probably saved you so he's pseudo-confirmed.
That leaves prplhz as my choice for the D4 lynch for his actions during the Rayn lynch, it should actually be pretty obvious:
He found him suspicious, said he liked your case, and when Rayn came back to the thread he started defending him with the same arguments ace used, and cause he believed that Rayn was busy.
The problem with the latter point is that prplhz found Rayn scummy for his defense of Vayne earlier, and that was unrelated to Rayn's activity, but Rayn's activity is what prplhz used to back off from his scumread, and that's why he is probably scum.
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My next scumspect would be kita. I suspect that he knew about ace's plan and already started bussing him, then took the other side to make sure that Oats gets mislynched. Closer to deadline he started spamming questions to ace and frequently voicing his suspicion to milk cred for after the revelation.
I'd also like to address the points he's trying to use against me:
This interaction with Ace was prompted by a question from Oats. Vivax isn't going into the thread to say that he has a problem with Ace's Wave vote, he is only stating it as a response. Vivax never comments on the flip flop by Ace at the end of day one.
1) I didn't need to ask him to see it was a pressure vote,
2) His flip-flop, as you called it, looked like a genuine analysis of the wagon to me, and ace not ending up on the scumwagon he initially voted for (IIRC) actually made me think he was town.
Vivax never contributed fresh ideas to the Rayn lynch. Again, he only confirms a statement from layabout after he is prompted for a read.
Correct, but it doesn't make me scum.
Vivax seems much more interested in defending players than scum hunting. If I look through his filter, I struggle to find a player he wants to lynch after Ace.
1) I posted analysis on Sentinel being likely town (although I'm growing doubts lately), cause I thought he was town. I don't share the idea of keeping townreads to yourself if you can justify them properly. They're equally important to lead town to victory, since you can only solve certain scenarios by exclusion, especially when scum blends in well.
2) Didn't have time to read through many filters lately (still don't have actually, but I realize I have to do something more at this point), but you and prplhz have shown pretty suspicious behavior regarding the ace vs Oats situation and the Rayn lynch (in the case of prplhz)
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On June 11 2013 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Additionally, if the case against prplhz is "pretty obvious", why did it take him roleblocking you to bring it up?
Finding the time to look through filters.
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Question, kita: You say I'm scummy for not adding any reasons along with my Rayn vote, but you don't mention anyone else doing the same.
On June 06 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote:
##vote: raynpelikoneet
On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.
Going with my gut I guess.
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet
Can you give me an opinion on these two dudes?
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On June 11 2013 02:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I already did. Have you not been reading the filter of your scum read?
Townie-null for stutters, but I haven't actually spent any time looking at him.
Cute
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Btw I'd currently lynch no one besides you, prplhz and maybe Sentinel if he keeps up that play.
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On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself?
Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are.
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On June 11 2013 04:18 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:13 Vivax wrote:On June 11 2013 03:20 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there a reason you pointed the cop towards Sent (your town read) rather than prpl or myself? Before I answer to that I want to hear your interpretation, or what your thoughts on that are. Because you didn't have a scum read on anyone?
Yup, except for the "cop-read". I said Sentinel was a better check than ace cause people were discussing him for lynch. My argument for him being town hadn't really been accepted, and wasn't even good cause he might just have been bussing for cred, in retrospect, and ace seemed to be safe from lynch anyway.
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On June 06 2013 01:32 prplhz wrote:
I actually like WaveofShadow's case.
On June 06 2013 06:30 prplhz wrote:
I'd lynch Oatsmaster over raynpelikoneet.
prplhz, what did you like so much about WoS' case that it didn't convince you?
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On June 12 2013 03:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:On June 11 2013 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I died in smurf mini, the amount of effort I dedicate to this game is now 33%, up from 25%. Scum team? Do you still have a mafia read on Vayne? Ace Vayne ____ don't know my third pick yet
Do you think scum doublestacked tonight?
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On June 12 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
also prp can be scum faking rb so doesnt have to be vivax
I have been roleblocked though.
I find it too hard to imagine that scum doublestacked JJD.
Kita mentioned that he would not have written a case against ace knowing he was going to fakeclaim cop cause he'd have sided with him.
Well he still did side with him after writing his case, so that argument doesn't even make sense, but now he looks like he was pressuring ace while lynching Oats.
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