I don't agree with that case.
the only quote you point to that is "scummy" is just early game aggression...that is completely alignment indicative, leaning town actuallly.

Your "pearler" is that DrT was protecting Ecc with that attack on smmc. Again I disagree. There is no way scum would feel the need to defend their scumteam against such an inconsequential attack. DrT identified town wishy washiness, and thought he could pass it off as a scumtrait and look like he was scumhunting.

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 08:56 GMT

#830

*edwop early game aggression is NOT alignment indicative

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 14:50 GMT

#853

@SMCC do you see a reason why PT, HW can't be scumteam?

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 16:48 GMT

#859

TD you are tunneled on Ecc right now. It happens to all of us. You need to step back and realize that your case against Ecc isn't good.
The logic is not conclusive.

Let's look at exhibit B:

On June 09 2013 00:44 TheDavison wrote:

Exhibit B
(Talking to Eccleston)
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On May 30 2013 22:13 DrTennant wrote:

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ive made reads you must not be reading my posts.

He is much more reserved here when addressing Eccleston, compared to Baker in Exhibit A.

I would characterize his response as quite aggressive actually. it doesn't look like how scum would talk to each other.

@td you are suffering from confirmation bias pure and simple. You are looking at all these little things that don't cohere into a bigger picture. You are seeing signs where there aren't any.

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 16:52 GMT

#860

##vote HW

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 17:03 GMT

#862

On May 31 2013 05:00 HartnellWill wrote:
##Vote DrTennant. Other than skimming the thread, Tennant's filter is surprisingly empty of anything that would contribute to town. Mostly asking others to do work for him while he sits and waits and gets his postcount up.

And while I'm reading PT2's case right now, it wouldn't be a surprise to see both of them role scum. DrT votes him without saying another word. Sheeping the wagon that isn't him because it isn't him that will get killed if it goes through.

@smcc
You brought up this post as an answer to why PT and HW can't be a scumteam. I think this is actually evidence that they are a scumteam though.
The thing he says about PT and DrT being a scumteam is actually very insightful. In fact it's the most insightful thing in his entire filter. DrT gave up because the alternative lynch was also scum, so there was no point in fighting.

HW is in a position where BOTH of his scumbuddies are the two lynch targets d1. Bussing is an absolute necessity at this point.

Also HW never acts on his realization that they are both scum. He never mentions PT as scum again.

When I ask him why is PT town, he gives the absolute scummiest answer possible:

On June 08 2013 10:42 HartnellWill wrote:
He didn't set off my scumdar yet.

Night ends in 18 minutes right?

Town would say "he has a lot of activity" or "he has said townie sounding things" but instead we get this complete nonanswer. Then he changes the subject like it's no big deal.

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 17:08 GMT

#863

Dude I'm sorry if I'm sounding condescending but it's just I think all your arguments for Ecc are bad. I've been there dude. Dat tunnel. Dat confirmation bias.

1 Why am I defending Ecc so hard.. well because you are going at him so hard. I am quite sure you are town and I want you on my side. Also Ecc seems like a newer player and he isn't trying or maybe isn't capable of defending himself.
Also my townread on ECC is extremely strong.

2 Early game aggression is leaning town MAYBE for some people but I would be more comfortable saying it's alignment neutral.
It's somewhat harder for scum because they have to find something that they can misconstrue as scummy.

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 17:13 GMT

#864

i do like your point about hw/pt scumteam or ecc/me scumteam though. Ask yourself, do I really seem scummy? Also ask yourself, is it possible ecc is just newish town?

Hurndall3

237 Posts

June 08 2013 17:19 GMT

#865

Sorry for the quadruple post.
This is another one in response to TD.

i mean Ecc read the Ver guide on how to play town for fuck sakes.
I'm really sorry if im being disrespectful to you. it's just that I feel very strongly about the wrongness of your arguments. I have been refuting point by point. I have been saying WHY I think they are not conclusive. Please, I welcome you to present your most damming arguments, and I will say why I disagree one by one.