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I don't agree with that case. the only quote you point to that is "scummy" is just early game aggression...that is completely alignment indicative, leaning town actuallly.
Your "pearler" is that DrT was protecting Ecc with that attack on smmc. Again I disagree. There is no way scum would feel the need to defend their scumteam against such an inconsequential attack. DrT identified town wishy washiness, and thought he could pass it off as a scumtrait and look like he was scumhunting.
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*edwop early game aggression is NOT alignment indicative
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@SMCC do you see a reason why PT, HW can't be scumteam?
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TD you are tunneled on Ecc right now. It happens to all of us. You need to step back and realize that your case against Ecc isn't good. The logic is not conclusive.
Let's look at exhibit B:
On June 09 2013 00:44 TheDavison wrote:Exhibit B(Talking to Eccleston) + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2013 22:13 DrTennant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2013 21:38 Eccleston wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sorry for my absence. Have been busy. Baker, I like your post about DrTennants read being shit, however, I am curious as to why you agree with MSmith1's read on me, because I think what he brings up is trash. Is your thought process similar to Smith's or do you agree with his read but not with his reasoning? Regarding DrTennant:McCoy's case on DrTennant isn't conclusive, but I think there's a fair chance of DrTennant being scum. The inconsistent suspicion toward ambiguous opinions and his defensive reactions could be scum indicators. I feel that point one would be a null tell if it wasn't for his strange justification about not being suspicious of me. It would be understandable if he said something like "Eccleston was asked to provide his opinion, but you were not." or that my post seemed less serious, but his "Yes eccelstone did have what could be interpreted as a wishy washy post but right before that he essential through out a town read for no reason. To me your post was devoid of actual content." sounds more like an after-the-fact justification (and a very bad one at that), especially since he said before that that my aggression was likely more of a town tell than a scum tell. Why didn't he touch on that again if that was what he thought? His recent posts about Baker being scummy and about thriving in the spotlight leave much to be desired. It's mostly rhetoric with little of essence. @DrTennantYou said that you thrive in the spotlight and it helped you make reads, but you've yet to share them with us. Do you think that all the mafia players are lurking? ive made reads you must not be reading my posts. He is much more reserved here when addressing Eccleston, compared to Baker in Exhibit A.
I would characterize his response as quite aggressive actually. it doesn't look like how scum would talk to each other.
@td you are suffering from confirmation bias pure and simple. You are looking at all these little things that don't cohere into a bigger picture. You are seeing signs where there aren't any.
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On May 31 2013 05:00 HartnellWill wrote: ##Vote DrTennant. Other than skimming the thread, Tennant's filter is surprisingly empty of anything that would contribute to town. Mostly asking others to do work for him while he sits and waits and gets his postcount up.
And while I'm reading PT2's case right now, it wouldn't be a surprise to see both of them role scum. DrT votes him without saying another word. Sheeping the wagon that isn't him because it isn't him that will get killed if it goes through.
@smcc You brought up this post as an answer to why PT and HW can't be a scumteam. I think this is actually evidence that they are a scumteam though. The thing he says about PT and DrT being a scumteam is actually very insightful. In fact it's the most insightful thing in his entire filter. DrT gave up because the alternative lynch was also scum, so there was no point in fighting.
HW is in a position where BOTH of his scumbuddies are the two lynch targets d1. Bussing is an absolute necessity at this point.
Also HW never acts on his realization that they are both scum. He never mentions PT as scum again.
When I ask him why is PT town, he gives the absolute scummiest answer possible:
On June 08 2013 10:42 HartnellWill wrote: He didn't set off my scumdar yet.
Night ends in 18 minutes right? Town would say "he has a lot of activity" or "he has said townie sounding things" but instead we get this complete nonanswer. Then he changes the subject like it's no big deal.
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Dude I'm sorry if I'm sounding condescending but it's just I think all your arguments for Ecc are bad. I've been there dude. Dat tunnel. Dat confirmation bias.
1 Why am I defending Ecc so hard.. well because you are going at him so hard. I am quite sure you are town and I want you on my side. Also Ecc seems like a newer player and he isn't trying or maybe isn't capable of defending himself. Also my townread on ECC is extremely strong.
2 Early game aggression is leaning town MAYBE for some people but I would be more comfortable saying it's alignment neutral. It's somewhat harder for scum because they have to find something that they can misconstrue as scummy.
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i do like your point about hw/pt scumteam or ecc/me scumteam though. Ask yourself, do I really seem scummy? Also ask yourself, is it possible ecc is just newish town?
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Sorry for the quadruple post. This is another one in response to TD.
i mean Ecc read the Ver guide on how to play town for fuck sakes. I'm really sorry if im being disrespectful to you. it's just that I feel very strongly about the wrongness of your arguments. I have been refuting point by point. I have been saying WHY I think they are not conclusive. Please, I welcome you to present your most damming arguments, and I will say why I disagree one by one.
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@scum
Nothing happens until you reach 2v5, d4, and then the entire thread becomes a scum trap.
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his scumreads are Ecc, H3, TD, and Baker.
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im not trying to answer your question. im just pointing out how scummy he is.
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yup smcc keep thinking baker is scum. it might keep you alive tonight
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wow arrows that shit us fancy
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hw can you just admit to being scum right now and save us the suspense?
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I am really sure hw is scum. I am equally sure pt is scum. If he's town I will be completely shocked and heartbroken.
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ecc lol. l2paragraph. l2organize your thoughts.
@smmc you have pt as a town read? gross ew.
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ecc please vote hw obviously
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