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TheDavison
157 Posts
I refuse to accept McCoy is scum. Absolutely refuse it. Which probably makes eccleston town. Scum just can't be that stupid, and his qt partner would be hammering him. So Baker, h3, pt ... 2 are scum. Baker Nostradamus ability pre lynch doesn't look good. Without a re read I'm considering a baker/h3 team now. See ya later. Very important 24hrs. | ||
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Hurndall3
237 Posts
On June 10 2013 10:45 Baker1986 wrote: This doesn't quite feel right, but honestly whatever. There's a bunch of people in this game I can't read at all. so yeah... well my first thought is baker looks bad for this | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
I know I rukled out wccleston before. But just had a brain wave. Hartnell didn't give a shit he was getting lynched. Simply did not care, which goes in hand with quite a few ppl this game who disappear for long periods at a time. The only two people that lifted activity are h3 and eccleston. H3 lifts it up when eccle is under the gun. Just some food for thought. H3 plays the game all random. And then when we in pivotal time, starts to post seriously. His play over day 4 is very different to play days 1 to 3. The difference.. He had an objective to clear eccleston. Hmmm will have to make a call on what this means. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
I Have reread day1 with the hindsight of all the flips. Before posting my conclusion I would like to know where I stand with you. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 10 2013 11:10 Hurndall3 wrote: well my first thought is baker looks bad for this Please explain why. | ||
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Baker1986
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 10 2013 19:43 Baker1986 wrote: actually fuck it. I'm good at about 3 things in this game. Day 1 reads, convincing people, and not getting lynched as town. So let's try to lynch me tomorrow, that will provide us with a useful day. Why are you going so defensive? Instead of trying to defend yaself; how about letting us know who the final two scum are. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 10 2013 20:29 TheDavison wrote: Why are you going so defensive? Instead of trying to defend yaself; how about letting us know who the final two scum are. Looks like I don't know, right? I know I'm not lynching you or mccoy. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 10 2013 21:01 Baker1986 wrote: Looks like I don't know, right? I know I'm not lynching you or mccoy. Awesome, this ties spectacularly into my conclusion I want to unveil - once McCoy responds. Im so excited now  "So why are you going so defensive?" - What are you worried about? | ||
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SMcCoy
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SMcCoy
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 10 2013 21:29 SMcCoy wrote: + Show Spoiler + I have some unconcluded stuff written up about d1, but no time to finish it atm. But h3 suspects as alternative to the drt lynch and baker's list are important points of it, that likely point to troughton being scum, and possibly eccleston. You can post your stuff later if you want to hear my version in detail first though, id be glad to provide it once i have more time. OK. If I read between the lines, I surmise that you trust me. Excellent. This means we have ~12hrs to work together constructively. I will say prematurely that I agree with you on PT. As per your request: I will let you know my first choice after you post your stuff. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 10 2013 21:41 SMcCoy wrote: Could also be troughton and baker need to check their interactions On the money! As in that is my conclusion. Hence, the problem. I believe I will be shot, so Eccleston is left with you and H3. It will be up to H3 to convince Eccleston to *not* vote you; as he will be the swing vote. | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
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TheDavison
157 Posts
As for a double push on me. (1) H3 knows I'm town. (2) Baker cant push me - Without giving himself up.On June 10 2013 21:01 Baker1986 wrote: I know I'm not lynching [TheDavison] or mccoy. | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 10 2013 21:03 TheDavison wrote: Awesome, this ties spectacularly into my conclusion I want to unveil - once McCoy responds. Im so excited now "So why are you going so defensive?" - What are you worried about? I don't see where I'm defensive. Explain where I was defensive? | ||
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Baker1986
217 Posts
On June 10 2013 22:14 SMcCoy wrote: Well if baker and troughton start pushing me tomorrow it will be too obvious, even eccleston should realize that. More likely they kill me and push you, i lynched scum d1 after being attacked by it so i'm obvitown If you or Davison are scum I'm just forfeiting the game dude. I'm pushing neither of you no matter what happens. I trust my early reads much more than I trust my late reads so you're 100% clear, Davison should be town based on effort alone. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
On June 10 2013 23:25 Baker1986 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2013 21:03 TheDavison wrote: Awesome, this ties spectacularly into my conclusion I want to unveil - once McCoy responds. Im so excited now "So why are you going so defensive?" - What are you worried about? I don't see where I'm defensive. Explain where I was defensive? On June 10 2013 19:43 Baker1986 wrote: actually fuck it. I'm good at about 3 things in this game. Day 1 reads, convincing people, and not getting lynched as town. So let's try to lynch me tomorrow, that will provide us with a useful day. No one had directly questioned you - other than me making a rhetorical nostradamus comment. This was both a pre-emptive strike and passive aggressive threat. There was absolutely zero requirement for that post. Broken down the post highlights two points. (1) Pre-Emptive Strike = Reminder of your strengths and reinforces "you are town" (2) Passive Aggressive Threat = The last bit... worded so people do the "exact opposite" as it is sarcastic in nature. This post given the thread sentiment of how the lynch went down is actually indicative of a defensive mindset. And the only reason to be defensive at this stage of the game - when not being challenged - is inherent.. scummy.. guilt. As an aside, you are a smart guy. Its actually hilarious, because all this time I have said if SMcCoy didnt have an awesome Day1, he would pass off as the scum who slowly gets bored and stops contributing. However, all this time, it has been you playing that role. And subtle gems like this: On May 31 2013 19:12 Baker1986 wrote: Most importantly, do you think McCoy and I are town? I respect this for Day1 scum play. On first glance: it looks like a bog-standard alignment question. However, this has many subtle undertones. Essentially you are mentally prepping this person (TomB4) to call you town, by association of a town read on McCoy. For an example of how a suspicious town asks about alignment, we revert to: On May 29 2013 17:51 MSmith1 wrote: Your turn. What alignment is A McGann and what alignment am I? The difference may seem minute, but here, MSmith1 treats the equation of two alignments as independent. You on the other hand, have too much confidence that McCoy is town. Yes, thread sentiment strongly suggested he was town, but without a Dr.T flip; there was no way to know for certain unless you had knowledge of his alignment. And henceforth, the subtlety in the quote is exposed. | ||
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TheDavison
157 Posts
I was prob a bit aggressive there. Its basically LYLO after this NK, so I need to be open to all possibilities. Let me know who you think is final team. | ||
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SMcCoy
228 Posts
Happening after this votecount: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 21:31 Oatsmaster wrote: WHOS THERE? SMcCoy (0): TheDavison (0): DrTennant (3): SMcCoy, Baker1986, MSmith1. Hurndall3 (1): PTroughton2. DrTennant is set to be lynched. Votes without ## will not be counted Eccleston's comeback: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2013 21:38 Eccleston wrote: Sorry for my absence. Have been busy. Baker, I like your post about DrTennants read being shit, however, I am curious as to why you agree with MSmith1's read on me, because I think what he brings up is trash. Is your thought process similar to Smith's or do you agree with his read but not with his reasoning? Regarding DrTennant: McCoy's case on DrTennant isn't conclusive, but I think there's a fair chance of DrTennant being scum. The inconsistent suspicion toward ambiguous opinions and his defensive reactions could be scum indicators. I feel that point one would be a null tell if it wasn't for his strange justification about not being suspicious of me. It would be understandable if he said something like "Eccleston was asked to provide his opinion, but you were not." or that my post seemed less serious, but his "Yes eccelstone did have what could be interpreted as a wishy washy post but right before that he essential through out a town read for no reason. To me your post was devoid of actual content." sounds more like an after-the-fact justification (and a very bad one at that), especially since he said before that that my aggression was likely more of a town tell than a scum tell. Why didn't he touch on that again if that was what he thought? His recent posts about Baker being scummy and about thriving in the spotlight leave much to be desired. It's mostly rhetoric with little of essence. @DrTennant You said that you thrive in the spotlight and it helped you make reads, but you've yet to share them with us. Do you think that all the mafia players are lurking? What I find curious about Eccleston's post is his question to DrT. He mentions that he had Baker as scumread, but then he asks him if he thinks that all the mafia players are lurking and that he has to share reads. This question might just be show after all. On May 31 2013 03:05 Eccleston wrote: I think lynching PT2 at this time would be unwise. He's made one post and thrown a vote on Hurndall3 for being "brief and blunt", and suddenly, ten hours later, he's a prime suspect? I think you're stretching it when you say that At the time of his post the thread was about three and a half pages long. It doesn't really take much effort to read that and then write a five paragraph RP post and throw a vote on someone. He could just as well be disinterested townie. I could understand it if you were pushing him as a policy lynch because you're not certain about DrT, but how he is "far from null" is beyond me. He has made one (half serious) post in the entire game. Has he been useless? Yes. Does that make him scum? No. On May 31 2013 03:40 Eccleston wrote: On second thought, I do find it quite strange that PT2 even bothered writing his mini case on Hurndall. If he is mafia trying to just skate by without doing anything, why make this stupid post instead of sheeping McCoy? I can think of two reasons: 1. DrT is mafia and PT2 doesn't want to add any more pressure on him. 2. DrT is town and PT2 doesn't want to be held accountable if he is to be lynched. I can't see any pro-town motivation behind his post though... Maybe he doesn't find DrT scummy, but can't be bothered to voice his opinion? Because it's hard to believe that he really is that convinced on Hurndall... The guy had posted about 300 words at that time. For example his backpedaling on the PT defense looks scummy if PT is scum. Eccleston might have been scared of the consequences of his defense for later, and wrote this post to look like he was in doubt about PT. What do you guys think about this | ||
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