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Should I put a vote on someone? Carefully analyzed? ##VOTE LoneMeow | ||
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On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote: Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in. Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!" I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. At this point I'm leaning towards scum. | ||
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A townie is still a townie and still counts towards the town count, regardless of how invested they are in the game. may be true, townies that don't help us are not, well, good for town. Because they're not helping. So although lynching a lurking townie is NOT GOOD, If the chance is reasonable and everyone else thinks it's reasonable that they will flip scum, lynching is wise, because the alternative is wasting the one power vanilla townies have: Their vote. | ||
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Why are you asking to be voted upon this early? I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you. That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case. You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum. If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town? Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests. | ||
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Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:05 iVLosK! wrote: First underline: Ask that other guy from OMGUS who my vote is on. I give literally zero fucks about your FOS's. In my original post where I "excused myself for future scumminess" or whatever, I was simply stating that I'll do what I want regardless of what you think is scummy. If I don't want to vote for a lurker, I won't. And if I feel like voting for a lurker, bet your fine ass that I will. Regardless of what I've said in the past. Second underline: Maybe you should adjust what you think is "scum-like." I would suggest it, actually. If you and I are going to be friends. I would like to be friends. Also "since I feel confused, you are therefore scum." is literally the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life. And I actually laughed quietly to myself upon reading it. First of all, thanks for saying something other than brofists as a response. Second, your second underline: I'll make this clear. Scum want to sow confusion and get emotional. I think brofists is an emotional term. Scum want to sow confusion, and you did not do something to figure things out, you, as I said, "poked the fire". Don't try to say that's not what scum want to do, that's the entire POINT of what scum wants to do. I'm not sure you're scum, but I think you've a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else here at this point. And I still think you were trying to excuse yourself for future scumminess, which I dislike. | ||
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Even aside from brofists, I think that telling us to vote you is stupid. Scum? maybe! stupid? yes! WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE VOTED. I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A JESTER if you want us to put our money where our mouth is, and we are, and you aren't responding to our "money", then what are we supposed to think? I'm going to back up and reread everything in this exchange to make sure I'm not overlooking something, but my feeling on you keeps growing scummier, just because of the tone of your responses. There is a possibility I'm just awful! or overlooking something! so I'll go reread. I do not think that talking about lurkers is important with iV, just what has resulted from it. | ||
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If you think I'm mafia, say so, and I'll happily respond. Don't just sit there and absolve yourself using the logic of "I am town" and "I said I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why" Because the logic of "I am town" does not WORK if you don't play in a protown way, and saying "I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why" is stupid if you aren't fucking explaining why. Telling us that you're going to vote what you think is the correct vote is fine, but the entire excuse reads as just that to me. An excuse. | ||
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You do not want us putting votes on you if you are town. You want town votes on mafia as town. So why are you okay with votes being on you? There isn't town motivation for that, OR SCUM MOTIVATION. Since it is confusing, and scum want to confuse, I think it is scummy. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:37 fferyllt wrote: All this earnestness is very touching. I'm firming up some more reads, I think. Tell us what you think so far, I will start writing my list. | ||
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tE_: no-posts, null Firere: I agree, it seems too easy. not that it can't be easy. slightly-town null Stimm: null, no post Ffer: waiting to see post, slightly town atm Spicy: I agree with what he said game-theory wise, but that tells me nothing -null Gotard:no post, null Xzavier: I agree with what he's said, and lean straight town Yavanna: Hasn't said much. Laughed at my stupid cat joke, tells me nothing. null umasi: towniest motherfucker Skan: no posts, null iV: Leaning heavy scum, but harbor doubts. can't rationalize anything he does as town, but I can't rationalize what he's doing as scum indicative either, just scummier LEANING. LoneMeow: one post, who gives a shit, null. Conclusion: GET MORE PEOPLE TO FUCKING POST | ||
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THAT IS HOW YOU WIN THE GAME You can't be correct on every read and win without convincing everyone else to go along with your read. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:43 fferyllt wrote: Most of what I'm seeing so far looks town-on-town. And I see trepidation about how serious early votes are, which looks pretty newb to me. Everybody in the game could vote the same player in this next hour and it might not mean a thing in terms of who eventually gets lynched. iVLosK! is provoking lots of reactions and that is good. It gives other players stuff to think about and analyze about every player involved, not just iVLosK!. I agree that iV provoking votes is good, I disagree that it's town on town, assuming iV is included in the town. it's giving us stuff to think about, but is it the correct stuff to think about? It wouldn't have taken much to settle the at the beginning minor accusation. If he did diffuse it, town could be doing OTHER productive things. I wish he'd diffused it, I really do. I think everyone else getting involved in the discussion around iV is town except for iV, who hasn't actually given me a fucking reason to think he's town. | ||
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I'd 100% rather lynch you than some lurker though. | ||
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And my list may have been shitty. If so, ignore it and move on. If you don't ignore it, and it helps you achieve some understanding of the game, then it wasn't useless! If it confuses you, it was bad! So was it bad, null, or good. Did it confuse you, did you ignore it, or did it help you understand the game. Everything you say pisses me off, and that makes me think you're mafia. It's possible you're town! There's always a possibility! It's a possibility my role pm lied! And keeping my options open is important, because someone could come and make a convincing case you are town. I'm not going to just continue tunneling you, that's STUPID. If there is a better lynch than you, I will HAPPILY VOTE IT. At this point, I think you are the best lynch, and have the highest chance of flipping mafia, according to my shit reading abilities. | ||
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On June 06 2013 13:59 iVLosK! wrote: "pulling out" teeheehee. Oh yeah? Well as soon as that random OMGUSer shows up, Im gonna take my vote of him and put it on you. The accumulated filth from all your badness and lack of player reading ability will foam up about your waist and you will look up and shout "Save me!" ... and I'll whisper "No." How does that make you feel? It makes me feel annoyed that you take a cocky self assured attitude, but I can't OUTWARDLY TELL WHY YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME. And before you say it's because I'm bad that I can't tell why you're better, I want you to explain it somehow. Hold my hand. If you're town, get along with a townie and hold my hand along this process. Show me your fucking godlike abilities at mafia, and I'll happily sheep, if I think it's how we will win. Why does my badness and lack of player reading ability mean that you should lynch me? | ||
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This is my contribution, my entire game has been this. You can't just say "I'm not scum" and have me believe it, just like I can't say "I'm not scum" and have you believe it. I'll ask you this What motivation did I have for pursuing admittedly shaky reasoning of "he preemptively made an excuse"? If I were scum, why would I do that. Conversation to this point was stagnant. All the attention seems to have been you, but it's not like I hid back and threw fire on the flame. I've done my best to step up to every response you had, and I've been adjusting my reads as I've went, and done my best to contribute, and have tried to be transparent, as town should try to be. If you look at motivations, I don't think there's a hell of a lot for the way I've been playing, if I were mafia. If I were town, you could read these motivations as bad town play if you were also town. If you are mafia though, it stops being bad town play. I think, and this is me being bad, so take it with a fucking cement truck of salt, that looking at motivations is important to finding scum. Look at what was posted and look at what could have motivated people to post like this. | ||
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If you're town, you don't want my vote to be on you, at the very LEAST because it could be on other people more likely to be scum. Just dismissing me as "another idiot, ignore him" is stupid. What if the idiot was a townie? Don't just ignore the bad townies, guide them to the lynch you think is best. | ||
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And I really want someone to explain it to me in a way that's not "well it's obvious you dipshit" | ||
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oh, and before you poke fun at me for pulling off of you, let me offer this preemptive rebuttal (see the irony?) shut up and stop using stupid wordplay. fun as it is for you, it may be confusing for other people (specifically me) and that's bad. ##UNVOTE iVLosK! | ||
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On June 06 2013 15:22 Yavanna wrote: I need a little clarification on the bolded point Umasi. You are calling iV's play emotional, yet he seems to be keeping a pretty level head in this shit storm that's started up. The only emotional vibes I'm getting are from you. Are you meaning to be contradicting? I am not meaning to be emotional, what I realized is that he was stirring me up, and that's what I was referring to. For a while I felt like he was egging me, and then I realized he was DEFINITELY egging me.. but I came to the conclusion that doesn't make him mafia or town, it just makes him annoying and antagonistic. I was wrong when I thought he started the use of the word brofists, but I do not like how he ran with it. It still annoys me, because it's nothing but misdirecting to me and the main reason I had for thinking he was scum, was his stupid antagonism. That's just me being a whiny emotional bitch. The reason I've gone afk for about an hour at a time is I've been trying to cool my head, and then I get back and he posts some shit about me drowning in my own mediocrity and I think "ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS" So although I'd still like to lynch him, god knows I'd like to lynch him, out of spite, I've decided it's a bad idea. I originally pressured him on that stupid and inconsequential point (preemptive excuses) because I wanted to get discussion rolling, and I got overly emotional, in the face of him. I'm rambling, it's late, but I'm not tired. so I'll try to consolidate if anything is confusing. | ||
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Certainly not positive. I would not be fucking surprised in the slightest if he flipped scum, and I'd be delighted if he did! (not to say I wouldn't be delighted if we flipped scum at all) but my read on him has gone everywhere, and it also feels like I'm being pulled along by the towns opinion | ||
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regardless. The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it. When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia). When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me. And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway. What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum. I think that made sense. Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched. | ||
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But look at where attitude got me last time in my reasoning of things. | ||
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And given xzav appears to be everyones (including mine) townread, why not suck up to him. | ||
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Because I have no friggen clue, given a lot of people still haven't posted, and I want to see them post and I don't want to talk myself in circles here with the remaining people who HAVE posted, since I don't think a case could be made for any of them | ||
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channel your inner iV FEEL THE iV !!!!! no I'm totally kidding about that ^^ please don't I still have you read as town, I'm just curious why you're so nice, and wondering if it's because you're a legitimately nice person haha. If you are, woooo! nice people! if not, hmmmm well whatever who cares nice people! I'm just trying to make sure I don't get too pumped about you being town because you're friendly :3 | ||
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Sorry xzav! Is there anyone you guys want to discuss, since I'm here and certainly not falling asleep any time soon t.t | ||
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screw it going to try and sleep and probably fail and come back but if not good night | ||
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On June 06 2013 22:54 iVLosK! wrote: Umasi, take me through your thought process here. Why the random vote? Was it to "get the ball rolling?" And if so, why remove it 6 minutes later, leaving the ball completely unrolled. I had no idea how to start the game so I made a random vote, which would accomplish nothing, and promptly took it off. | ||
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On June 06 2013 23:15 Onegu wrote: Ok 2 things the first he kept the iV thing going on alot lomger than it needed to be. Secomd and the thing that made me feel the most was he would make a statement and when the majority had different ideals he would conform to them. This is what feels like he is scum. If I were scum, why would I stay on this train of thought longer than I needed to? It's obviously only drawn attention to myself and basically confirmed iV as town to everyone else. Why is it scummy to stick on it like that? And I conform to the majority because if everyone else thinks something about the situation, and I'm here thinking something different, but enough people disagree that they can't all be mafia, I realize that I'm probably mistaken and should reevaluate the situation! Would you prefer I keep tunneling him? Even when it's blatantly counterproductive at that point? | ||
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Unless there is a reason I don't see that town would pay more attention to the OP than a scum! I think commenting on how it seems too easy, and telling us to wait, is more interesting, because it feels like he's trying to be inclusive here, when really it was me talking to myself, getting jabbed by iV, and xzav being logical... And I don't know why he felt like part of that group? | ||
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I'm new and feel inferior, but have tried to do what I can, even if it's bad! So say what's on your mind! | ||
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On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote: Fferllyt I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote. The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people. This quote too raised my eyebrows: Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this? There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi. If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi) I will address the blue part at the end. I agree with you, that scum would benefit from a shitfest, which is what annoyed me the entire time. It felt like he was taking a standoffish /come at me stance, and I felt this could be scum motivated, to start a shitfest, and he was confident he would come out of it on top, so I pursued the avenue of "this guy probably is scum", because he wants me to start a shitfest. Which I unfortunately did, but i don't think it actually messed up the thread too much, I think it made it possible for the thread to get GOING, since before that, it was just talk about lynching lurkers, which I didn't see the point in. The entire blue thing was me addressing all possibilities, and I was led to think he was scummy based on his responses, but I wouldn't have discounted the possibility of him being blue from that line, because it's equally telling either way. But I'm not going to straight up say "you are blue, PUNK" because that's STUPID, that doesn't generate discussion, that just turns people around to say ".....so?" and then he doesn't claim because that'd be an awful idea and we're nowhere. | ||
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Why xzav? You said you liked his logic, didn't you? And he's not particularly scummy, at least not in my opinion | ||
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I think xzav explained later why he said "yeah burn him" it was to pressure discussion | ||
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What's special about me, or him working with anyone? | ||
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Why go for the guy who's play you have openly complimented? Rather, why consider the guy you've openly complimented over the people you have not. It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here. If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? | ||
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What can I try to explain? | ||
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And it is suspicious that he just logged when the pressure was on, it's possible he just needed to sleep! Basically I haven't consolidated my views on him, but he is playing in a scummy fashion, and doing scummy things, similar to how I posted a scummy list, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's SCUM. | ||
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You have me convinced, but I'm going to reread his filter and see if I can find anything to add/conflict with your argument, and going to try to avoid confirmation biasing my way through it In other words: You're probably right, but I want to make sure on my own. | ||
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On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote: You are fist on my list  and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).Like, what kind of big mistake could he have made? I don't think we ever said things to convince him xzav was super townie, how did he recognize it as a mistake? did he think it was a mistake to provoke town sentiment against him, by giving a post that turned out to be counterproductive? And it doesn't matter at all who he would lynch, it matters who he is going to lynch, and there are PLENTY of options. If I'm the scummiest to him, he should damn well vote me. Just because I could be an active townie does not mean that killing me as a #1 scum read is a bad idea, because an active scum is BAD. | ||
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I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial: Ver: Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating. Gotard: After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me Like, right from the fucking get go. And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read? | ||
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On June 06 2013 16:19 Umasi wrote: That's the thing, he felt so abrasive it was hard for him to be scum, but backing down and being like "he's probably town" is annoying, because I feel like he'll bring it up again pointlessly, merely to spite me. And my gut instinct then will be to say "he's mafia!!!!" which is WRONG. And it's BAD for him to do that. regardless. The first thing was his preemptive reasoning, which I took as an excuse, and still kind of do. there's nothing for him to be afraid of if he's town, so it's kinda scummy! Might as well talk about it. When he comes back and tells us to vote on him, I couldn't think of any possible fucking reason other than "he's stirring the pot, and that's scummy." Apparently, it was to generate discussion, but I still don't know why he'd go back and bring it up again in the manner that he did. It felt like he was just drilling it in that he wasn't giving an excuse (and I still think that he FUCKING WAS, because it gives him reasoning to fall back on, and quickly assuages peoples doubts of him, but that doesn't make him mafia). When Xzav pulled off of him, I don't know why he kept poking me to go at him. That's stupid! Why would he want me to stay on him? That's....bad. It means my vote is on the wrong person. This confused me. And threatening to lynch me if my list of reads was unsatisfactory is stupid if he's done fuck all anyway. What really makes me feel he's town though is that he says he's abrasive for shits and giggles, because it fits in with the way he'd been playing, because he never felt antagonistic, just trolly, which isn't necessarily scum. I think that made sense. Also, iV, me wasting my vote isn't your FAULT, but it sure as shit is your CONCERN, because you want scum lynched. If it is related to the entire me on iV thing, I think I talked through my thought process relatively well, and if that leaves questions unanswered, I'll comply. | ||
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So please be more active in the future. | ||
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Everyone look into Gotard who hasn't, form your own opinion of him, But no seriously, form your own opinion on him | ||
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as in, be cautious, compared to telling us he had no pro town posts. That said, him coming back and saying basically nothing doesn't convince me, especially because he has a very weak defense where he basically says "I'm not scum, let's go catch scum huh?" And this is my first game too, and people DO seem to know what they're doing, but I'm not going to call myself inferior and apologize for it, before I've even done anything wrong. I'm going to recognize I MAY BE inferior, and be more cautious because of it. That said, can you explain what mistake you were apologizing for? | ||
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But if Firere hasn't posted anything of worth by the next lynch period, I'll happily consider him. | ||
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Sure! Which is why we can't be a hundred percent positive. And I do think he could have received help in the scum QT, but I think that absolving someone because they didn't improve over the course of the day is stupid. It's entirely possible that the others in the QT were just /afk while he was around, or that their collective consensus was "lessen your attack on xzav, jeez, that was an awful idea." As for the coach, they don't try to give direct advice, so possibly he laid out a guideline for gotard to follow, or whatever, it's entirely possible that the coach didn't respond either or he didn't ask the coach. In general, I think it is wise to ignore possible coach help/scum qt talking. And just because he doesn't have a plan doesn't mean he's town t.t Rather here, I'm going to link to Ver's guide again http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475 Look at misders first posts. What does misders plan look like in his very first post? Well...he basically says nothing, and you can't really discern a plan from it. The difference is, in gotards, he slipped up and we immediately pressured him, giving him little to change the subject off of. | ||
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Gotard, you became suspect number one after xzav posted what I think is a killer case on you. And a contribution is not the number of posts you have (in which case man you're set over them), it's what you've..wait for it....contributed to the discussion, and you contributed either A nothing or B xzav as a possible lynch, which is straight up counterproductive, because heaven would have to fall on its shoulders if xzav were lynched today. You were counterproductive, and you haven't yet become productive, and townies aren't "wasting their time on you", because if we found you to be townie, that is not time wasted. | ||
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Anyway, Gotard is not innocent until proven scum, I think xzav proved he was scum, I want to stick on him. For now, he's scum until proven innocent, in which case I'll happily pull off. | ||
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(turns out I'm around for fifteen more minutes, didn't check the schools wacky schedule for finals day) | ||
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..I don't think that makes much sense, it sounds a bit too townie heavy. in the two recent newbie mafias (XL and XLI) it was 9 town 3 mafia I'd be willing to bet we have a serial killer, but I have literally zero hard evidence supporting it. | ||
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And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t | ||
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Gotard happening to BE on firere means that he's a lot less likely to be scum, and I didn't want to hassle firere since it was entirely possible he was just busy. Similar to Yavanna being around then suddenly not being around. Is it a scum tell that she hasn't been around? What if something legitimately came up? I'm wary of lynching people for being afk, because shit happens. To reiterate: I think gotard played like scum day one, in everything except his vote. That said, his vote was a big enough deal, being on scum, that it condemned firere. However, I think he was objectively scummy. His posts since then have been better. If you'll notice me saying "I'll give him time to contribute", we lynched him and he never had time to contribute. Also, he mentions his gut read is "umasi town, gotard maf", which is another strike for townie on gotard. Calling me town is absolutely considerable, but I don't know what I'm supposed to say to counteract what a scum has said t.t | ||
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I didn't overlook him trying to feel inclusive with that post, I actually address it. I comment about not knowing WHY he's trying to feel inclusive, and don't actually call him scum for it, but I certainly don't fucking overlook it. | ||
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On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote: It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. Just food for thought, but if this is before people truly looked into Firere as a lynch candidate and "merely someone scummy", why would Lonemeow as scum talk about him as his strongest scum read? I don't think it was an attempt to build town cred/bus/whatever the term is, because the wagon hadn't even really started. That said, it really was just slipped in there, and he didn't assert it at all, but it really throws off my read on him, which was "probably scum". | ||
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Although looking at vote wagons can be smart, I think it's not truly relevant here, because of Lonemeows actions earlier in the thread. Unless you want to discuss the possibility of me being scum because of my vote on gotard, in which case, feel free I guess. I don't think there's a lot to be had on it because I felt like I explained my reasoning for voting Gotard pretty well. | ||
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On June 10 2013 02:34 Xzavier wrote: Usami/Lonemeow yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled Gotard probably is town. I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think Xzav, it's been about twenty four hours, and this activity level is drastically different from what it was previously. You have scum reads on Meow and me, but why? I don't like how drastic of an activity shift this is over what you were previously showing, and I think it's you skating by. Normally, I'd want to give you a bit of time to post/figure shit out/whatever, but the last time I said that, the person was promptly lynched and flipped scum. I also am extremely annoyed that Gotard is -basically- confirmed town to me because of vote analysis, when Xzav was the one who really convinced me he was scum. (Gotard is also kinda more townie since the flip, by virtue of his posting) I think he's scummy, mainly because of his insubstantial posts since the lynch, but I'm not sure if I want to vote him or the kitty. I am going to go reread Lonemeows filter after mowing lawns, and will post my thoughts and my vote choice then. | ||
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My thoughts on Xzav are above, and if he isn't around before the lynch, he'll get modkilled ANYWAY. If he does post, I'll reevaluate. Currently, I'm having a hard time contextualizing his play on day 1 as scum. As such, I'll choose Lonemeow as a lynch. First point on Lonemeow: Their filter is very egh in size, but whatever! It's not necessarily indicative of anything, but it stuck out. On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote: Crap, running out of time. Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Although I agree with the reasoning of voting Gotard at the time, I hate the line "essentially, since voting is mandatory" look at that shit. Voting IS mandatory, but it's all town has. Literally all it has. Why would you not want to choose a lynch target and go with it? for fear of being wrong, so you'd look suspicious? .....so? Why do you care if you look suspicious? If it was to make you seem more credible later on, then why haven't you pushed anything? You shouldn't play to stay alive, you should play to lynch scum. Saying voting is mandatory feels like you are trying to excuse yourself for something you should, well, not be trying to excuse yourself of. On June 10 2013 16:03 LoneMeow wrote: This level of activity (or rather the lack of it) is really bad. We've managed ~5 pages in half of day 2 compared to 30+ pages in day 1. Onegu, are you around? Do you want to explain your suspicion on Yavanna a bit more? I'm somewhat suspicious of her too, but her last post gives me a strong contradictory read: This happens right as the Gotard wagon starts, I don't think scum would be ready to lynch one of their own that early, especially since Firere345 wasn't really under heavy suspicion at that point and Gotard would've been an easy target. Lonemeow, by sheer process of fucking elimination, if i think xzav isn't scum, and I KNOW I'm town, and Firere IS scum, and you I think you are scum, this is you defending Yavanna. If you do flip scum, I'm going to immediately go lynch Yavanna because of this one post. Also, commenting on the lack of activity is piecemeal -attempt to feign contribution- probably. ##VOTE LONEMEOW These are my reasons for voting the cat. Kill the cat. | ||
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I'm pretty positive the scum team HAS to be xzav/yavanna, Lonemeow/xzav, or Yavanna/Lonemeow. I think it's Yavanna/Lonemeow more than I think it's the other two, based on my assumptions. | ||
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If he flips scum, I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs. If he flips town, I want to lynch...Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs! Yeah basically I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav. | ||
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I'm pretty fucking confident atm. If someone wants to point out why I'm totally wrong go for it. Gotard, what about Yavanna mentioning Xzav all the time? It could go many ways, a scum trying to buddy up a townie, a scum buddying up a scum (for some reason), a townie being legitimately impressed (I don't think this is true), or a misled townie buddying up to a scum and being misled. I don't see your point. | ||
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On June 11 2013 04:30 Onegu wrote: Alright goodnight,Umasi ignores me again and is still my biggest scum read so my vote stays on him. Then push me and convince town, you asshole. Don't just *guys he's scum *point point** don't just sit back and shitfling. | ||
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Here's a defense, I guess? I am going to get lynched this game. It is a fucking inevitability. I've played SUPER SCUMMY according to the thread, so at this point, I'm going to stop all semblance of trying to clear myself of suspicions. If that takes away from my points, so be it, but if I was trying to live, I wouldn't go and do some kind of fucking vote analysis like that, because that paints me in an incredibly unfavorable light (in case you haven't noticed). Like, saying that out of the four people on Gotard, two were, even possibly THREE, were scum, and I'm one of them? That's fucking suicidal. The reason it doesn't clear me is you could wifom yourself into thinking that a scum would do some kind of crazy clever misdirection, but if he wants to continue thinking I'm scum and soft push me, feel the fuck free. After I die and flip town, you will happily look over to the votes and be like "huh does that have merit?" So think LONG and HARD before you lynch me, then do it, because I'm scummy as shit! At this point, I don't think I'm going to play by what town SHOULD play by and I'm going to play however I damn well please because otherwise I'll go fucking insane trying to not get lynched while simultaneously pointing out scum because I've played like scum the entire game. yes. I am a little frustrated. just a teeeeensy bit annoyed, but it's mainly my own fault for playing scummy. Not even rereading this post. Screw it. | ||
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I'm absolutely piss at being objective, logical, and thoughtful, and am extremely emotional! There is no reason for the post to be suspicious, just my play afterward, and how hard they contradict. | ||
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I pretty fucking clearly laid out why I want to lynch Lonemeow, and then Yavanna afterward. I didn't ask town to lynch me, I told them they can feel fucking free to do so. Because it is their choice, however they choose to waste it. And if I did ask town to lynch me, whoops! I must have forgotten something I'd said! oh darn. I've been so unbelievably hypocritical and self contradictory this game it wouldn't even matter. | ||
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Why am I more likely to flip scum than Lonemeow. Actually, sans that. Why is Lonemeow not scummy? | ||
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Believe it or not, it might be as far off as it could possibly be. Fferyllt, why do you feel that they're happy with the progress of the day? What tips you off? | ||
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Anyway, I'm thinking along these lines, I stated them a few pages back, but I'll restate it. If we discount the possibility of a bus day one, which I think we can, with how close the votes were, it means that Yavanna (because no vote, /afk), Me, Lonemeow, and Firere, and Xzav could be scum. Firere was scum! two left. I'm going to take the liberty of considering myself town (woaaaah /everyone flips a bitch) that leaves Yavanna, Lone, and Xzav as possible scummers I think that xzav is town! i have since pretty early on, early in D2 he shook my confidence, but has come back and made me happy. This would mean Lone and Yav are the scumteam. remaining scum team, anyway. If yav is still afk, what is lone going to do, single handedly redirect his entire wagon onto me? ....well he could....but he hasn't even made the effort to, imo. or maybe he HAS made the effort, and is incredibly bad at it. He's not the one slamming the nail in the coffin, I am. I think the reason the thread has a low level of activity is the scum is pretty much boned! That's what I'm thinking. I'm pretty sure the cat/yavanna are the scum team. If lonemeow flips town, I'll be extremely surprised and confused, and then will do my best to move on and reevaluate. But Lonemeow NOT being scum means either two things: Xzav IS, or the scum team bussed super early on. in a 4 v 5 vote. I don't see this happening. It may also go partway to explaining why Yavanna was not immediately modkilled. Naturally, the entire theory hinges on two things! A, the lack of a bus, which I talked about, and B, both me and xzav being town. You guys have no fucking idea if either of us are town, but I'm pretty confident Xzav is, and you should probably think I am too, because I don't think people think I'm scum for a good reason anymore, just by virtue of me being a scummy motherfucker. | ||
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people don't think I'm scum for a reasonable reason anymore, they just think I'm scum for being extremely scummy, but my actual actions don't scream scum, they just scream extremely erratic, bad, emotional townie. | ||
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Do you think scum bussed day one, stim? | ||
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Do you think scum bussed day one in that close vote? | ||
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I am going to ask everyone this, just so you guys know. Feel free to answer. There's nothing against answering this question, and it won't incriminate you, and it's not like it'll misdirect attention from me or anything so feel free to just TALK. | ||
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What benefit was there to scum bussing that would outweigh one of their own getting lynched? | ||
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If the scum had just sheeped onto gotard, they could have hidden behind xzav and I, because xzav made the actual case and I'm the scummy sheeper. It would have been incredibly easy for them to just point at xzav and move on. | ||
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I was correcting what you said because it made no sense gramatically. This entire time since I've talked about the vote, it's been about how I don't think they'd bus, that's been a staple part of it. Therefore, Xzav, Umasi, Lonemeow, and Firere (the ones on gotard) are likely to be scum. If even one more person had voted scum from the firere wagon, Gotard would have been lynched, and probably mislynched, I really think gotard is town because firere was mafia. Therefore, since Firere was scum, it means Lonemeow, Me, and Xzav could be mafia, if we assume there wasn't a bus. IF THEY DIDN'T BUS, FIRERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN LYNCHED. Now I have a strong townread on Xzav, it only wavered when he said he'd post and then didn't. It's back up because he's posting like his day one self, which was very pro-town. That means LoneMeow or I is scum. I know I'm not scum. That's why I'm voting Lonemeow. There is a possibility Yavanna was scum and/afked, so she never voted! The couple who were not on firere or Gotard, if they had voted gotard, would have saved scummate Firere. The scum team could have hid behind the case Xzav made, and possibly framed him. if he turned out too townie, they could easily have framed me, because everyone thinks I'm generally scummy. So if there are two scum left (which I'm pretty confident in because of the setup and past newbie games), and we can lynch out of Lonemeow, me, xzav, or Yavanna, who do you think the scum team is? Is that perfectly clear to literally everybody. If it is not clear, please read again and make it clear. I think it was extremely explanatory. If you don't think it's true, come up with a good reason scum would bus day one when they could have saved their teammate and hidden behind a scummy townie or xzavs case. I'm not discounting this possibility! Fferyllt, I'd be shocked if they DIDN'T go all in to save their teammate. Just so everyone knows, I might as well reiterate, since no one likes reading what I say, I THINK THE SCUM TEAM IS LONEMEOW AND YAVANNA. AND I'VE SAID THIS EXACT SAME THING, ALMOST EVERYTHING ABOVE, AT LEAST THREE TIMES, AND PEOPLE STILL AREN'T RESPONDING Even if you don't think it has merit, you could at least say so! But if this were true, and I think the logic behind it is sound, we know the scumteam, or at least the pool of players it could be. | ||
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As in, let's pretend gotard is mafia, and he votes for firere, that is a bus. | ||
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"what if" "what if" literally zero evidence supports it. There may very well just NOT BE A SERIAL KILLER. Fuck, if no one claims, the only thing we can be sure of is a masoner (because he flipped) and a cop (because there was a godfather) Worrying about the SK at this point is entirely irrelevant. We can worry about it once we see two kills and no vigilante claim | ||
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On June 12 2013 09:54 Spicydinosaur wrote: True, veteran took the hit, medic healed. Do you want to reveal those roles now though? I want to see first if an invest role found anything. that quote set. | ||
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On June 12 2013 10:39 Spicydinosaur wrote: He was saying it because the way i wrote it sounded like i didnt consider other possibilities. On June 12 2013 10:45 Spicydinosaur wrote: Why write this rant? the only mention of an sk that came after night actions was by me... which said not to worry about it which is exactly what u said. Did you just backstep here, or am I missing something, because it looks like you tried justifying my rant, then you immediately questioned it. And ffer was like "there are other possibilities" sure. why does town even care about the serial killer right now when it's not even confirmed? We KNOW there is a third mafia, so ignore the SK that's all. | ||
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then where was the second night kill night one I'm pretty sure this is a pretty key rule in mafia, KISS keep it simple stupid there is no sk, there is a third mafia, why do we have any reason to believe anything else? Does it matter if it's something else? Why are we even discussing this t.t right. I'm done. Spicy, I think I'm getting seriously confused here, which is not your fault! It's all mine! What, explicitly, was this referring to? On June 12 2013 10:39 Spicydinosaur wrote: He was saying it because the way i wrote it sounded like i didnt consider other possibilities. Specifically, who is he in this sentence. | ||
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Because my role pm didn't include how many mafia there are. Did yours? Yes, of course it did, my role pm went something like this: you are a vanilla townie blah blah stop the forces of evil/justice/whatever the fuck you want to do there are three mafia of course I'm certain there are three mafia! just fyi, that was sarcasm. | ||
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On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote: So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking. Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today) thoughts? Xzav, I do not think the reasoning "it makes the town far more effective" is....well, reasonable. I don't think I've ever given the impression of being logical and reasonable, given how my day one focus on iV went. If you think I'm the best chance to be scum, then feel free. Do not give logic like "to make association reads" or "to get him out of town, he's a negative influence". Also, mass claiming is an AWFUL idea. Cop claiming with a scum find is the most I'd think should claim, and even then....it's just eh. What do we get out of mass claiming? | ||
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he's been my towniest read since the beginning of the game, and will flip an absolute bitch if he is scum. The entire /scum nailing in the coffin is basically what I spent time day 2 trying to explain, and is why I lynched lonemeow, because I thought he was scummier than xzav or yav. Yav flipped, and I really REALLY don't want to lynch xzav. I agree with what iV said though On June 13 2013 06:57 iVLosK! wrote: I say we lynch what's left of the Gotard wagon (Umasi and Xzavier) and then lynch the two who weren't on firere (Onegu and Stimm). Game over. Glorious town victory. And since I know I'm town, that leaves xzav. I really, REALLY, do not want to do this, but my thoughts that scum did not bus day one, or even not vote gotard, are overpowering my townread of xzav. If xzav flips town, then I'd reread through Onegu>stimm. Atm I'd think onegu, but that's because he's done nothing but noncommitally push me and contribute thoughts, but he never tries to get me LYNCHED. he just votes me. I don't know what to think of that. ##VOTE XZAVIER As much as I don't want to lynch xzav....I don't see why the scum team would not just hammer in the mislynch and save firere. | ||
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I'm not responding to your posts, I'm responding to...I don't know what I'm responding to. But rationalize this question: two things, actually: A: If I am scum, why have I drawn so much attention to myself, and B: Why have I not been lynched yet. What about me is towny enough that people are not voting me? | ||
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Fortunately, you are appearing more and more scummy to me by the fucking SECOND. So I can feel good about voting you. On June 13 2013 10:04 Xzavier wrote: So right not were thinking Umasi, and i think thats the smart lynch for today. It makes the town far more effective. and he has taken a massive shift in gameplay, going form logical and reasonable to panicking. Also depending on the flips, we should mass claim day3. just a thought, you can tell me its bad and explain why its bad, but i think we can end the game on the day3 lynch. (if it doesnt end today) thoughts? I still dislike you wanting to lynch me because it would make town more effective. That's AWFUL reasoning. You need to vote to kill scum, not to eliminate people who may or may not be a problem. Even if voting me would clear the game up or some shit, there are still a lot of unsolved people, and you'd really get no where in the end, even if it was just a desire to see me dead. I'm going to go reread everything that was said during the night exchange between yav, me, and you, to see if anything can incriminate you more/totally absolve you. | ||
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On June 06 2013 16:10 Yavanna wrote: nm, shoulda refreshed before I posted. whoops. Word, if Xzav flips scum I will bow to him. lol On June 06 2013 16:18 Yavanna wrote: I read a bunch of them too and followed a couple of games before I joined in. Still not nearly as confident as you seem to be. I'm thinking you should be my unofficial mafia spirit guide. Yav is buddying up extremely hard, and I have no idea why. It's so unbelievably suspicious that I'm almost tempted to pull off of xzav, but they may have just been awful. That said, Xzav hardly acknowledges it. Even though it was suspicious as CRAP. ..I call her out on it before xzav does, why didn't you xzav? (yavanna is female right?) | ||
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in fact identically. What have you done to contribute that I haven't? Nothing has borne fruit from EITHER of us. we're equally bad, come mire down here in the muck with me /sloshes around Day one I happily followed you to a gotard lynch, but you can't claim being first to the punch day two, so I don't want you using "sheeping" as a defense. | ||
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"wanting to see more" ehhhhhh..of course not, call it immediately and pressure her, like you did with iV. why did you not follow suit like you did with iV. | ||
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ONE FUCKING SECOND: On June 06 2013 13:56 Xzavier wrote: The plan talk was just something to get to shitflinging. We got there. im curious as to what else should be done. Why not CONTINUE THE SHITFLINGING he wasn't asking for it, this is explicitly your motivation. | ||
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On June 13 2013 12:48 Xzavier wrote: at that point in time i was one of the most town looking people, active making pro town posts. the godfather was trying too hard to get on my good side, thats how i see it now. And thats why its a null read. IF were both mafia, why the fuck would you tie yourself to each other, that wuold be something you would post in the mafia quicktopic, not this one. O.o which is why it is null. | ||
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On June 13 2013 12:49 Xzavier wrote: you continued the shitflinging, and look where it got you that day. Yes, I did continue the shitflinging! But what's wrong with doing it on an entirely new target who is objectively acting unbelievably suspicious? | ||
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Two things ffer: One: WHY WOULD XZAV NOT FIND HER SUSPICIOUS AND CALL HER ON IT. I found her suspicious and I'm not even xzav. t.t The way xzav has been playing would lead me to believe he would call someone on that kind of thing, that's just how I feel he has been this game. I don't know his meta, he doesn't have a meta. But, with my perception of him, he would call her on it if he were town. Two: Firere/Yav hardly have interactions, I think it's entirely possible Yav was just being an idiot and xzav was like t.t go away, compared to calling her on it. I admittedly don't know why he wouldn't correct her in the scum qt, but all of this talking, if memory serves, was kinda rapid. It would be awkward to switch between the scum thread and this thread, which may go quite a way. | ||
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Here's what I'm not getting around my apparently big stupid head, and currently three things I want explained: Why was Xzav even considering a mass claim if he's read so many guides Why would scum bus day one when they could have saved their partner, or why would they have even voted someone else when they could have saved their partner Why did xzav give yav a free pass despite being openly unbelievably idiotic in her buddy-buddy with him I do not accept the "I was waiting for more interactions with her". I think that's bull crap. | ||
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Even overlooking the mass claim question and buddy question, which we can write off as mistakes/oversights Why would scum bus day one instead of saving a scummate. Think about it like this: If xzav is town, they could easily have hid behind his case or hidden behind my case, because I'm super friggen scummy and then gotten a mislynch out of it, unless gotard is scum, which I consider unlikely. | ||
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Gotards lynch hit five people before Firere's did. That implies someone, for instance iV, just hopped off the gotard wagon onto firere's wagon. I think that masking behind gotards would have been easy, which is why I'm still not satisfied. | ||
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If gotard were also scum, then why wouldn't they have just stuck on gotard if they were bussing for town cred? (that is my logic for thinking gotard is not scum) | ||
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I really don't like thinking that they bussed day one and sac'd a mafia. If you think so ffer, I will fall off- also because I don't think xzav is objectively scummier than some others. ##UNVOTE XZAVIER | ||
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If it was not scum stacking on gotard, then I'd think it is either stimm or onegu. | ||
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I want to sleep, so I will do so, and then look at people again. I'd almost, tbth, prefer to lynch into the lurkers, compared to iV and Onegu. Lurkers being stimm/gotard I kind of like spicy for town, but am not too sure on anyone else. Regardless, night. | ||
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On June 13 2013 22:28 iVLosK! wrote: Umasi and Xzavier, most likely. But scared scum target loud town voices regardless of who they're FOSing, for fear that the loud voice might change and be directed at them. It doesn't make them much more scummy in my book. Why do you think this is true? And if so, isn't this applicable of you, voting xzavier, a "loud town voice"? | ||
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That's downright false, they DON'T target the loud voices because the voice is more influential, and scarier. Scum, from what I understand, try to stay out of the thick of things, and although this might not apply in all cases, everyone's said this is how it works in newbie games. | ||
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Totally agree then! | ||
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On June 14 2013 04:30 Spicydinosaur wrote: ## VOTE Onegu Going with what I got the best feeling on. I basically agree with this. Voting xzav was unintuitive, but I think I explained my reasoning for that. Onegu has been an incredible non-factor throughout the game, keeping his vote on me and saying "I think he's scum", but never really pushed it. And then suddenly he just swaps his suspicions to xzav. What cleared me in your mind, Onegu? | ||
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##VOTE ONEGU | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:42 Xzavier wrote: im 100% confident that if Onegu doesnt flip scum, its iV. and well fucking played iV. your a god damn mad genious, playing your "pro card" flaunting your dick all over the place, and if you do somehow manage to lynch me. id like everybody to read this post and realize that he is scum. hell ill make a full case on him right before the lynch if it looks like im going to die. so please, vote for him tomorrow. no matter what todays vote is i believe iV is scum. except i did express concern of him before. people ignore half of what i post Why are you voting for Onegu then? I don't mind contradictions, but the line "no matter what todays vote is I believe iV is scum" is contradictory, and I think you're getting a bit confused. | ||
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You just VOTED on me. The other two votes on me day two weren't the product of your accusations or convincing talk. iV was being iV and doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and Lonemeow was, I think, trying to stay alive, and I was definitely the easiest target. | ||
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On June 14 2013 05:51 Gotard wrote: ## VOTE Onegu Can you get in here and say something Gotard? Christ. I recognize time might be short, but try to make time. On June 14 2013 05:55 Onegu wrote: Because he sheeped the first vote not on him to stay alive. I asked Xzav, not you. On June 14 2013 05:57 Onegu wrote: Also why he unvoted you... He wants to sheep the bandwagon not on him not make his own case. No one has really made a case on you Onegu, you're just objectively pretty scummy to the people voting on you. Is everybody voting you scum because they haven't made a case on you? Why is xzav voting you to stay alive any different? I'm not sure what the vote count is, but he's in pretty good shape, vote wise. He doesn't need to make a desperation vote. | ||
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On June 12 2013 21:11 Onegu wrote: Other than his votes this post I have a problem with. Saying yeah I have played scummy all game but think long and hard on it. Playing scummy usally means you are scum in my book. He is doing the same thing firere did in sheeping xzavier but with a few more posts and more emotion. So by his logic xzavier is now scum, I dont see it I see scum sheeping vocal town. Either he is scum or he just skim reads/ ignores posts. Why would you join a game of mafia and do that? And the SK rant doesnt mean anyrhing it is incoherant and not point town or scum imo. Until he addresses my posts on him since day 1 until now and not just ignore me... VOTE: UMASI This is the only thing you've actually said about me, and this is day three, where you have promptly switched to focusing xzav. You have a total of four posts that are three lines or longer that aren't fluff, Onegu. I'm not seeing much effort to contribute, at ALL. Here, I'll address all four of your points after the second paragraph: 1. yeah, by that logic,xzav would be scum, which is why I voted him for a bit. I'm discarding that logic in favor of you and iV. 2. You don't even accuse me of being scum, you're just like "he's not reading" 3. calling my SK rant null is not a case, that's saying it's null. 4. I've asked you to tell me concisely what you want answered, compared to being like "it's somewhere" I don't even know why I'm talking about this. Onegu, go reread xzav, and find reasons to call him scum, CONVINCINGLY, that are not about the jailkeeper post. The reason his jailkeeper post is not relevant is because, if I remember correctly, HE WASN'T EVEN JAILED. I tried to do so, realized it was futile, and decided that in spite of the bus situation, I swapped off of him! | ||
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Pay some attention. His interaction with yavanna, as ffer pointed out, can be attributed to just misplay/inexperience, and your vote history is as scummy as his, since by voting him you admit that I'm town. Why are you ignoring all the stuff that says he's town? Look at his post history and compare it to your own, who has had more positive of an effect upon town? I'll give you a hint, it's certainly not you. You haven't had much of an effect upon town at all. | ||
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##VOTE StiMaDDict guys, this is scummy as shit. | ||
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Look at that shit. It's absolutely correct, he could get out by talking to a mod so why on earth would he vote himself? It is a desperation play. I'm going to go reread him now. | ||
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This is a desperation play. | ||
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It's SEVEN-ONE IF THERE IS NO SERIAL KILLER PLEASE LOOK AT THIS | ||
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If he were town, why would he post to not be modkilled, if he wants to be out of the game. Why would he vote. WHY WOULD HE VOTE | ||
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It's too fucking late. You already voted for yourself, you've already nailed it in the fucking coffin Why on earth would you do that as town if you wanted out of the game you don't need a replacement, you're going to try to feign interest guys please look at this for what it is | ||
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On June 14 2013 08:01 StiMaDDict wrote: Just a side note, I debated whether it would be better to get mod killed by not voting but I decided that it would be disrespectful to other players. I know that the fact that I'm trying to pull out is also a disrespectful thing to do. I apologize sincerely. That's not even an excuse, there's no reason to not wait for the modkill if you wanted to be out of the game Also, why are you responding? You wanted to be lynched didn't you? Why are you defending yourself? You want to attract the lynch, if you want to be out of the game. You elected to vote yourself, so don't resist the lynch. | ||
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Look at stim and vote stim please look at this, you're one of the only ones around, you and spicy. PLEASELSKDLSAKDKSAJDLS FUCKING VOTE HIM On June 08 2013 09:24 StiMaDDict wrote: I really don't want to see multi-modkill Day 1. Come on, tE_ and Yavanna. VOTE!! I know it sounds stupid but how many mafia? Look at this shit LOOK AT THIS SHIT Why would you even bother asking how many mafia there are? How is it relevant? You know the game is over once we've killed all the scum and SK (if it exists) He tunnels lonemeow, who turned out to be town. On June 11 2013 10:48 StiMaDDict wrote: Flunk a test and got demoted from Gold. I thought at least I got something right in TL mafia but no... ![[image loading]](http://pds20.egloos.com/pds/201107/27/34/a0069734_4e2f141e6d4fd.jpg) FUUUUUUUUUUUCKK That's his last post before he self condemns himself. He has two pages of filter over three days, and the only thing he does is tunnel Lonemeow. I don't think he's suspicious because he tunneled a townie hard, it's interesting because we hardly threw around his name after that point. He was "pretty scummy" but never "this guy is scum" because he didn't post, so I think his tunnel on lone fulfilled its purpose and got the mislynch. The rest of anything he says is fake contributions. | ||
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On June 14 2013 08:07 fferyllt wrote: Umasi please stop. I am not going to stop, I am going to tunnel the everliving christ out of him until he flips scum. Please everyone, use your fucking brains here. He is scum FOR THAT ONE POST. | ||
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On June 14 2013 07:36 StiMaDDict wrote: ##Vote: StiMaDDict After LoneMeow's mislynch (by me), I was both busy irl and afraid to take part in the game. It's all bit too much for me to follow. Just want to pull out of the game at this point. That post, fyi. Look at it. There's no reason he'd put in a vote except to not get modkilled. We have no idea if you're busy or not irl, so it's null, because it can't be proven or disproven. It's not too much for you to follow, because you HAD been before this point. | ||
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Think about this alright I'm going to quote all three of his posts since his return: On June 14 2013 07:36 StiMaDDict wrote: ##Vote: StiMaDDict After LoneMeow's mislynch (by me), I was both busy irl and afraid to take part in the game. It's all bit too much for me to follow. Just want to pull out of the game at this point. On June 14 2013 07:59 StiMaDDict wrote: Could you find a replacement for me? or is it not possible? On June 14 2013 08:01 StiMaDDict wrote: Just a side note, I debated whether it would be better to get mod killed by not voting but I decided that it would be disrespectful to other players. I know that the fact that I'm trying to pull out is also a disrespectful thing to do. I apologize sincerely. Okay now look let's work through this piece by piece. He gives an excuse that we can not confirm, and a weak excuse on his psych in the situation. He wants to pull out of the game, but didn't ask a mod. He POSSIBLY could not follow it, but look at this next part: He now wants the mods to find a replacement for him. He didn't come in and request it, but after I call him out on it, he asks for a replacement. Why didn't he ask for a replacement immediately? He realized his fucking mistake. Now wait, wait, it gets better He debated whether it was better to not get mod killed or to self vote, and decided to self vote because otherwise it's disrespectful, but he knows it's disrespectful anyway. Why would he care about being disrespectful if he was already being disrespectful by quitting? And if you want to be lynched StiM, WHY DID YOU COME IN AND MAKE AN EXCUSE. You try to pass it off as not an excuse "just a side note", but why do you care what we think of you? We'd already be pissed as shit if you were town trying to self vote. gehhhhguysjustlookathowfuckingcontradictorythisis | ||
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Make a case that he is town. Try to justify what he has just done as town. If he were town, why would he try to get a mislynch in? That wastes a lynch period. Least he could do is just not vote. Honestly guys this is so unbelievably incriminating I don't know what else to say. | ||
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look at it this way even if it's not surefire he's scum, is it surefire onegu is scum? StiM has already posted his intent to no longer play. He will guarenteed never be an asset. We have little time before the lynch occurs. We may all even benefit from the extra time! Although I hate trying to convince you to vote him for a reason other than he's the scummiest, I want to see him die this badly. Just look at this for what it is. | ||
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I think I said it earlier it's currently seven to one in absence of a serial killer We are so far ahead it's not even FUNNY. scum HAS TO MAKE A DESPERATION PLAY | ||
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You want me to stop raging at you, and I want you to vote for fucking StiM. Put aside your dislike for my posting style, just look at everything. StiM came in and said "I am done playing" Onegu is still around. | ||
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On June 14 2013 09:05 fferyllt wrote: Thanks Umasi. *nods* | ||
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and I think StiM is scum for this still. If xzav isn't scum, I will go straight back to stim. But I'd rather have onegu around than xzav, since onegu has been around more recently than xzav. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE XZAVIER | ||
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FUCK AKSDJLJASDAS AKSJDKJHAKSJNDXKND STIM DIES TOMORROW. IF HE COMES BACK TO POST AGAIN, SO AS TO NOT GET MODKILLED, I HOPE WE ALL AGREE HE SHOULD DIE. SHIT. | ||
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we really are from different cultures t.t | ||
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On June 14 2013 10:20 StiMaDDict wrote: Vig, kill me tonight. Don't waste tomorrow's lynch on me. ....I'll ignore you tomorrow. I swear though if you make a SINGLE VOTE POST in spite of CLEARLY WANTING TO BE OUT OF THE GAME you will be making NO SENSE AND ATTRACTING A MISLYNCH. be warned. | ||
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On June 14 2013 07:59 StiMaDDict wrote: Could you find a replacement for me? or is it not possible? | ||
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And we don't necessarily gain a confirmed town, there might be a sk/vig/woaaaaaaah So it doesn't say yay or nay in the op, and this might be a silly question, but I want to make pretty sure: ARE SERIAL KILLER SHOTS COMPULSORY, OR DOES HE CHOOSE TO SHOOT OR NOT SHOOT EVERY NIGHT, OR IS IT INTENTIONALLY NOT EXPLICITLY STATED | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404332 shots were compulsory. But that's the only game I've read with a serial killer/poisoner | ||
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Idk, who else do you want to talk about? I've decided to let StiM run free like the wild beast he is. If he comes back into the thread and votes though, I am immediately jumping back on him. Until that point, I'm open to either iV or Onegu, and could probably be convinced either way. Just gut leaning towards Onegu, because iV is relatively confident feeling, but I want to lynch iV, so he can flip scum and I will feel super fucking justified! But that's just my perverse desire for personal vindication coming out of me, not who I think is scummiest :3 | ||
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Happily done. hey hey stim I'm going to be the fierce little ankle biter don't vote. -.- if you're town you're wasting my time and attracting a mislynch, if you're mafia, it was an awful play anyway. | ||
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On June 15 2013 10:17 iVLosK! wrote: Damn kids. Anyone want to explain what makes Onegu more scum to you then say, Umasi? What makes Onegu townier to you? Or if he isn't townier, why were you so ambiguous with your wording? Be more transparent. | ||
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On June 15 2013 21:36 iVLosK! wrote: The phrase "more scum" is not ambiguous. It means "more likely to flip scum." So what is your stance on it? You never really said. By ambiguous, I mean, you never stated who YOU thought was scummier, Onegu or me. Not what the phrase "scummy" or "more scum" means. | ||
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why did you not save firere day one onegu? I think the possibility existed also stim that was scummy as shit etcetcetc woooo | ||
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my bad t.t played like shit, but w.e we won | ||
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