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On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.
Just food for thought, but if this is before people truly looked into Firere as a lynch candidate and "merely someone scummy", why would Lonemeow as scum talk about him as his strongest scum read? I don't think it was an attempt to build town cred/bus/whatever the term is, because the wagon hadn't even really started.
That said, it really was just slipped in there, and he didn't assert it at all, but it really throws off my read on him, which was "probably scum".
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That said, Lonemeow voting Gotard is ALSO suspicious, because that would put two scum on the same target in an attempt to save another scum. I don't think xzav is scum, I am not even considering that as a possibility at the moment, but I think it would be foolish if both firerer and another scum were just transparent like that.
Although looking at vote wagons can be smart, I think it's not truly relevant here, because of Lonemeows actions earlier in the thread.
Unless you want to discuss the possibility of me being scum because of my vote on gotard, in which case, feel free I guess. I don't think there's a lot to be had on it because I felt like I explained my reasoning for voting Gotard pretty well.
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Correction* it would put two scum on a single vote to try to save one of the scum, which would make it easy to catch, and I might be wifoming myself there.
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On June 10 2013 02:34 Xzavier wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna? Usami/Lonemeow yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled Gotard probably is town. I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think
Xzav, it's been about twenty four hours, and this activity level is drastically different from what it was previously. You have scum reads on Meow and me, but why? I don't like how drastic of an activity shift this is over what you were previously showing, and I think it's you skating by. Normally, I'd want to give you a bit of time to post/figure shit out/whatever, but the last time I said that, the person was promptly lynched and flipped scum.
I also am extremely annoyed that Gotard is -basically- confirmed town to me because of vote analysis, when Xzav was the one who really convinced me he was scum. (Gotard is also kinda more townie since the flip, by virtue of his posting)
I think he's scummy, mainly because of his insubstantial posts since the lynch, but I'm not sure if I want to vote him or the kitty. I am going to go reread Lonemeows filter after mowing lawns, and will post my thoughts and my vote choice then.
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So the people on Gotard on day one were me, xzav, firere, and lonemeow. I am discounting the possibility of a bus because I don't feel like a bus happened! I think that all three scum were on this wagon, unless yavanna is scum and /afked forever. I have no idea about yavanna though, and I do not want to discuss modkills too much, so I won't! I am going to choose my lynch out of Lonemeow and Xzav.
My thoughts on Xzav are above, and if he isn't around before the lynch, he'll get modkilled ANYWAY. If he does post, I'll reevaluate. Currently, I'm having a hard time contextualizing his play on day 1 as scum. As such, I'll choose Lonemeow as a lynch.
First point on Lonemeow: Their filter is very egh in size, but whatever! It's not necessarily indicative of anything, but it stuck out.
On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.
Although I agree with the reasoning of voting Gotard at the time, I hate the line "essentially, since voting is mandatory"
look at that shit. Voting IS mandatory, but it's all town has. Literally all it has. Why would you not want to choose a lynch target and go with it? for fear of being wrong, so you'd look suspicious?
.....so? Why do you care if you look suspicious? If it was to make you seem more credible later on, then why haven't you pushed anything?
You shouldn't play to stay alive, you should play to lynch scum.
Saying voting is mandatory feels like you are trying to excuse yourself for something you should, well, not be trying to excuse yourself of.
On June 10 2013 16:03 LoneMeow wrote:This level of activity (or rather the lack of it) is really bad. We've managed ~5 pages in half of day 2 compared to 30+ pages in day 1. Onegu, are you around? Do you want to explain your suspicion on Yavanna a bit more? I'm somewhat suspicious of her too, but her last post gives me a strong contradictory read: Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:
If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi)
This happens right as the Gotard wagon starts, I don't think scum would be ready to lynch one of their own that early, especially since Firere345 wasn't really under heavy suspicion at that point and Gotard would've been an easy target.
Lonemeow, by sheer process of fucking elimination, if i think xzav isn't scum, and I KNOW I'm town, and Firere IS scum, and you I think you are scum, this is you defending Yavanna. If you do flip scum, I'm going to immediately go lynch Yavanna because of this one post.
Also, commenting on the lack of activity is piecemeal -attempt to feign contribution- probably.
##VOTE LONEMEOW
These are my reasons for voting the cat. Kill the cat.
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If you do have doubts about Xzav, go reread day one and ask yourself why scum would play like that, and if you can come up with strong reasoning say it. I could not come up with strong reasoning and thus think he's town, although it would be cool if he got back in here.
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It became a choice between xzav and yavanna.
I'm pretty positive the scum team HAS to be xzav/yavanna, Lonemeow/xzav, or Yavanna/Lonemeow. I think it's Yavanna/Lonemeow more than I think it's the other two, based on my assumptions.
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As I talked myself through it, I became more and more sure that Yavanna/Lonemeow was the team.
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Spicy, assume lonemeow flips scum. Who do you want to lynch next? LoneMeow, Xzav, Yavanna, or me?
Or someone entirely different which I feel is silly.
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Hell, we could also do the same thing on the other side. Say he flips town, who do you want to lynch and why?
If he flips scum, I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs.
If he flips town, I want to lynch...Yavanna>Xzav if nothing drastic occurs!
Yeah basically I want to lynch Yavanna>Xzav.
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idk.
I'm pretty fucking confident atm. If someone wants to point out why I'm totally wrong go for it.
Gotard, what about Yavanna mentioning Xzav all the time? It could go many ways, a scum trying to buddy up a townie, a scum buddying up a scum (for some reason), a townie being legitimately impressed (I don't think this is true), or a misled townie buddying up to a scum and being misled.
I don't see your point.
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Thank you for being here and not getting modkilled t.t
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On June 11 2013 04:30 Onegu wrote:
Alright goodnight,Umasi ignores me again and is still my biggest scum read so my vote stays on him.
Then push me and convince town, you asshole. Don't just *guys he's scum *point point**
don't just sit back and shitfling.
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I haven't seen them, and have decided to ignore them.
Here's a defense, I guess?
I am going to get lynched this game. It is a fucking inevitability. I've played SUPER SCUMMY according to the thread, so at this point, I'm going to stop all semblance of trying to clear myself of suspicions. If that takes away from my points, so be it, but if I was trying to live, I wouldn't go and do some kind of fucking vote analysis like that, because that paints me in an incredibly unfavorable light (in case you haven't noticed).
Like, saying that out of the four people on Gotard, two were, even possibly THREE, were scum, and I'm one of them?
That's fucking suicidal.
The reason it doesn't clear me is you could wifom yourself into thinking that a scum would do some kind of crazy clever misdirection, but if he wants to continue thinking I'm scum and soft push me, feel the fuck free. After I die and flip town, you will happily look over to the votes and be like "huh does that have merit?"
So think LONG and HARD before you lynch me, then do it, because I'm scummy as shit!
At this point, I don't think I'm going to play by what town SHOULD play by and I'm going to play however I damn well please because otherwise I'll go fucking insane trying to not get lynched while simultaneously pointing out scum because I've played like scum the entire game.
yes. I am a little frustrated. just a teeeeensy bit annoyed, but it's mainly my own fault for playing scummy.
Not even rereading this post. Screw it.
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Gotard, that post is actually correct. Town wants thought and logic, as well as objective judgement.
I'm absolutely piss at being objective, logical, and thoughtful, and am extremely emotional! There is no reason for the post to be suspicious, just my play afterward, and how hard they contradict.
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Also, what do you mean by "circling the wagons"
I pretty fucking clearly laid out why I want to lynch Lonemeow, and then Yavanna afterward.
I didn't ask town to lynch me, I told them they can feel fucking free to do so. Because it is their choice, however they choose to waste it.
And if I did ask town to lynch me, whoops! I must have forgotten something I'd said!
oh darn.
I've been so unbelievably hypocritical and self contradictory this game it wouldn't even matter.
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I thought you meant circling the wagons as in literally avoiding todays wagons, which is fucking untrue. In every way.
Why am I more likely to flip scum than Lonemeow. Actually, sans that.
Why is Lonemeow not scummy?
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You may want to reevaluate your gut feel.
Believe it or not, it might be as far off as it could possibly be.
Fferyllt, why do you feel that they're happy with the progress of the day? What tips you off?
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Yeah, it was addressed at me ffer.
Anyway, I'm thinking along these lines, I stated them a few pages back, but I'll restate it.
If we discount the possibility of a bus day one, which I think we can, with how close the votes were, it means that Yavanna (because no vote, /afk), Me, Lonemeow, and Firere, and Xzav could be scum.
Firere was scum! two left.
I'm going to take the liberty of considering myself town (woaaaah /everyone flips a bitch)
that leaves Yavanna, Lone, and Xzav as possible scummers
I think that xzav is town! i have since pretty early on, early in D2 he shook my confidence, but has come back and made me happy. This would mean Lone and Yav are the scumteam. remaining scum team, anyway.
If yav is still afk, what is lone going to do, single handedly redirect his entire wagon onto me?
....well he could....but he hasn't even made the effort to, imo.
or maybe he HAS made the effort, and is incredibly bad at it. He's not the one slamming the nail in the coffin, I am.
I think the reason the thread has a low level of activity is the scum is pretty much boned! That's what I'm thinking.
I'm pretty sure the cat/yavanna are the scum team. If lonemeow flips town, I'll be extremely surprised and confused, and then will do my best to move on and reevaluate. But Lonemeow NOT being scum means either two things: Xzav IS, or the scum team bussed super early on.
in a 4 v 5 vote.
I don't see this happening.
It may also go partway to explaining why Yavanna was not immediately modkilled.
Naturally, the entire theory hinges on two things! A, the lack of a bus, which I talked about, and B, both me and xzav being town.
You guys have no fucking idea if either of us are town, but I'm pretty confident Xzav is, and you should probably think I am too, because I don't think people think I'm scum for a good reason anymore, just by virtue of me being a scummy motherfucker.
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ebwop, that last line
people don't think I'm scum for a reasonable reason anymore, they just think I'm scum for being extremely scummy, but my actual actions don't scream scum, they just scream extremely erratic, bad, emotional townie.
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