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On June 06 2013 15:43 Yavanna wrote: Xzav, you seem to have your shit together. Probably my strongest town read atm and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna sheep the shit out of you in the future. Now that I've ruffled your feathers, maybe you'll help me out a bit. Just so I know we are on the same page, you think iV is town now? I would concur with that analysis. Is it too early to ask for your opinion on anyone else who's posted so far? Humor me, I'm bored as shit and looking for some good convo. Umasi is over reacting or unnaturally emotional. but at the momet i want to hear from more. the enlightening genderless being is probably town as well. being he stopped the arguement and explained iV's actions for us. thats about all i know. and i just read a fuckton of guides. | ||
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On June 06 2013 16:07 Yavanna wrote: this is correct logic. a mafia would not want to push foward discussion. sry. responding on this phone is hardOk, well town's opinion aside, go with your gut here. Besides his overall abrasive attitude and the fact that he basically poked you with a stick, what is it that gives you a scum vibe from him? I feel like if he were scum he wouldn't be so in your face with it. I could be terribly wrong though. | ||
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On June 06 2013 16:24 Umasi wrote: Also, does anyone have any suggestions on how to proceed from this point? Because I have no friggen clue, given a lot of people still haven't posted, and I want to see them post and I don't want to talk myself in circles here with the remaining people who HAVE posted, since I don't think a case could be made for any of them I would go back and do some serious analysis while giving non-americands a chance to read this you wont get anything ironclad yet. but it will help you focus on more than iV. also dont forge coaches. there totally cool. well im off for the night. phhones pretty dead so :/ | ||
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On June 06 2013 23:24 fferyllt wrote: I'm going to go against the current here and say that Yavanna worries me a bit because she's being awfully nice when going for clarification. The self-deprecation that comes with her questions to players. Stuff like "Make believe I have a mental handicap because I don't really see how Umasi's behavior was anti-town." Or this to xZAv "Now that I've ruffled your feathers" what ruffled feathers? Yavanna you agreed with xZav in that post. And yet with assurances that you'll be plenty abrasive when the time comes. I'm not seeing any sign of this iron fist in the velvet glove. Yavanna is working for minor clarifications from her town reads, mostly, which isn't such a great place to put a lot of effort. i believe that she meant she didnt want to flatter me overly too much lol. thats the way i read it atleast. but yeah, this might be because she is new, but she does seem overly apologetic and it is suspicious when somebody says i dunno who im gonna vote for, so im going to sheep you, this early on. I mean id be okay with her saying she was going to sheep me if she had absolutely no reads, but this is almost giving her an excuse not to try and make reads/find mafia. kinda like saying here, you do the work. and then ofc not having her name attached to it anywhere. | ||
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This sentence makes no sense, Everybody in the thread believes im town, and the only scummy thing you have is my "following" Umasi in an argument against iV which i posted before i even saw him post lol. There was like a 1-2 min delay between his post and mine, i didn't know his existed at the time i created mine. Right now this is sending major fucking warning signals. Im town, everybody here has a town read on me town, you hint to wanting to lynch me yet without a case its obvious nobody else was going to vote for me? The premise of being forced to vote right now isnt on you, and yes this generated discussion. I dont know why you would vote me over a lurker who hasnt posted yet if you HAD to vote no, considering that if we are taking what we have seen so far and judging them off it. why you would vote a pro-town over a lurker who hasnt posted yet. or just Umasi who is looking suspicious right now. This makes no sense. And I'm seriously questioning your motive for listing my name there. Sounds like a mafia pipe-dream this post does. On June 07 2013 06:38 Skanjab1s wrote: You're backtracking now, You said that if you had to vote you would lynch Umasi or Xzav, so obviously he was in the top2 of your "who-I-want-dead" list. Which doesn't make sense since you implied that you had a town read on him previously. Furthermore, you can't even say what you find scummy about him, besides for a connection-theory which also doesn't indicate much since neither of their alignments are known (to town, at least). good to see this stuck out to other people as well | ||
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On June 07 2013 06:38 Skanjab1s wrote: You're backtracking now, You said that if you had to vote you would lynch Umasi or Xzav, so obviously he was in the top2 of your "who-I-want-dead" list. Which doesn't make sense since you implied that you had a town read on him previously. Furthermore, you can't even say what you find scummy about him, besides for a connection-theory which also doesn't indicate much since neither of their alignments are known (to town, at least). and that "connection theory" was mostly Umasi quoting me. Apart from just targeting the same person. | ||
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yet if you HAD to voteNOW this is for 2 posts above. its a type that some people might miss. | ||
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Typo. Im really bad at typing. xD | ||
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On June 07 2013 06:53 Umasi wrote: What, specifically, is suspicious of me Xzav? What can I try to explain? well for one, the fact that your totally ignoring the posts i just made, and trying to force discussion on the self preservation one, not on the HOLY FUCK THATS SUSPICIOUS one. I actually see you made a few posts about it. But thats something that i want to push him on. There is no Town Motivated reason for lynching me. Get rid of one of the most active townies that is pushing the game foward for town? Thats a mafia goal. Not a town goal. Your appearing far less scummy then the little we have seen of gotard so far. But honestly. ##Vote: Gotard This is simply just illogical. If Gotard provides actual reasoning that he can stand on for accusing me of being scum, then he needs to share it and if i think it could give him ANY reason to be suspicious. Then ill remove this vote. But right now its pretty obvious that the town is happy with me. [+ Show Spoiler + QUOTE]On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote: On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote: When why would you NOT lynch me, or firere, or someone else who is objectively more scummy? You are fist on my list  and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".On June 07 2013 06:35 Umasi wrote: It doesn't matter if you think he was too quick to team up with me, that's not actually relevant here. If he's a pro town influence, why consider him as a lynch over others? It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).So, your meaning to say that because i didnt refresh my page before i posted that im scum? and that because we think hes scum im guilty by association? This is a game full of unkowns. I didnt ever even consider myself working with him, i dont think i used any of the points he brought up, always made my own. and he quoted ME far more than i him (if i did at all lol) even if its 00:01, this might be a omfg i need to stop posting and hope this blows over so the conversation shifts away from me. Very very suspicious time to go to sleep (not the actuall time on the clock, but when the topic starts pointing at you) as for the bolded part, thats a mafia mistake, not a town mistake. a town wouldnt have a reason to put me on a list of people to lynch. | ||
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(i should probably say this at the same time so things dont get misunderstood, but him having Umasi at #1 was correct and logically acceptable. But him having me at #2 and saying i attacked the same person as #1 did, therefor im scum. That isnt logical. and thats why he has my vote) ofc now obviously, until things change. Gotard has my vote. + Show Spoiler + /////And a bit of heads up that i should have posted before the game started, im schuelded to work from 2-8 pm tomorrow(i work part time at kroger, but i might be getting fired tomorrow. long story, im not wasting space in this thread about it) , and i think voting ends at 8 pm for me. So my final vote is gonna be sent 2 or 3 hours prior to it (cuz of a break) just so people wonder why i stop posting as it gets closer and closer to the end. just a heads up.//// Gotard, id love to hear your answer in the morning. | ||
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let me show you why: (i took his only posts with content) This is the first post he made once the game started. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2013 02:25 Gotard wrote: After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion . Xzavier seemed to be a scum (after following Umasi's accusations) but then he had some awesome pro-town posts. What to do!? What to do!? I crossed out the fluff he says two things in this post: A) his hardcore analysis is shit (it gave him nothing, how do you pick up ZERO vibes/reads when 2 people are flinging shit at somebody) B) i (Xzavier) seem to be scum, but then gives contradicting evidence, he claims i "followed" Umasi's accusations, then instead of pushing his read, he states that I've been making pro-town posts. so he thinks i'm scum, but then settles into the fact that everybody else has been saying otherwise so he backs off, because he didn't want to draw attention to himself. A says hes a bad townie/not pro-town. B says hes scum Compliment this on the fact that hes been minimally posting, the few posts he has made are pretty scummy. he targeted me from his first post, on very little footing. Id also like to point out that im his #1 scumread. This post is the one that caused all the shit to fall on his head. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2013 05:40 Gotard wrote: If i had to vote now i would lynch you or Xzavier but a the same time it's way too risky to kill the most active (potential) allies. AFTER people say, "why Xzaver?" i suddenly become the #2 scumread(what happened to #1? oh, we should probably put who everybody else has expressed FoS for at that point:Umasi at #1, go with the flow ect) What? So evidently he still believes I'm scum, okay: any more/new evidence I'm scum? no. He however DOES repeat his same action of indecisive posting. The person i would lynch if somebody forced me to make a decision right now is the same person i think is too risky to kill. AND he tries to fit in with everybody else while still mentioning my name. that's him faking contribution again, posting even scummier things. When asked for more contribution: (being compared to the two people who havnt posted yet) + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2013 05:30 Umasi wrote: Gotard, what's the difference in contributions between you and those two? All I really understand from your first post is that you're new and feel inferior. I'm new and feel inferior, but have tried to do what I can, even if it's bad! So say what's on your mind! On June 07 2013 05:34 Gotard wrote: Math dosn't lie I have like infinity times more posts. He makes a one-liner defense. Somebody should go define contribute for him. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2013 07:01 Gotard wrote: You are fist on my list and Xzavier was 2nd and i expressed my doubts about him in the same sentence I accused him. 2nd vote doesn't matter much if you only have one. It was like "if you are a scum he might be one as well".It's relevant if someone rushes to join someone else's accusations it might mean that he isn't townie. Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence. You can never be 100% sure who is who and you can throw random votes on people if you have even one small reason. I know I've made some big mistakes and I hope you won't lynch me today PS unfortunately I have to go to sleep. See you later today (00:01 in EU ).Him having Umasi as his biggest scumread is the only logical part about him iv seen this game. Because it made sense. but i also would like to point out that this isn't new content. He was simply concurring with things others have said about being suspicious of Umasi. So his only logical point is something he took from other people. T.T Then he goes on to try to continue to attack me subtly and honestly i have no idea why hes including it. "if you are a scum he might be one as well". might be the stupidest thing iv read. Well, since your scum, and you two had a common enemy, hes scum. No proof, no effort put into this. just a "hey heres contribution you asked for" which obviously is bullshits. and he didnt even bother trying to find/quote ANYTHING iv said or posted, in all of his accusations. He tries to defend himself by attacking me, i believe he said"Few pro town posts during first day dosn't mean that guy is innocence." And yes, i agree. but Pro-Town posts certainly mean your a lot more likely to be town, and if you continue making them then its a good chance that you are town. from the way I've been playing most (if not all) of the people have realized that i am Town. Pro-town posting also helping the town. If your scum making pro-town posts, inevitably you will lead them straight to you. or they will notice that you stop. Its literally impossible to hold the charade of biggest town poster as mafia for any duration of time. You need to look at more than a "few pro town posts" or simply go read my filter then decide for yourself if im scum or town. Most people here have done that and said Town, id love it if you would quote what you have that explains why im not town- oh wait, your just saying it. nothing to back it up. no analysis. in fact instead of analysis you plead not to be killed. That was smart. if you know you have made some mistakes, and you know what those mistakes are, then you know the simply thing you have to do in order to remedy them is just post content! but for some reason you dont want to post constructive content, my explanation: your scum. i havnt seen any other given reason for your behavior. then. to top it all off. You say please don't kill me before you even have 3 votes on you(which is pretty shockingly weak of a defense, especially when you only have a few votes. somebody defended himself with 2 votes on him by being an asshole. your answer, saying please lol) even if it was pretty fucking inconvient that you had to sleep then. you could have said you had work at 5 am. The point still stands thats it LOOKS scummy true or not, and even if that was because of that. I think i outlined enough evidence that your neck should be in a noose at the end of the day. ________________________________ TL:DR Sheep Gotard | ||
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On June 07 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote: But you did keep going. And that is the point anything counterproductive is good for scum. And if you are right why conform just make better arguements dont just conform on everything. right now i think Umasi is a bad townie. that or REALLY bad scum. but at the moment he hasnt done all that much to convince me he isnt a bad town. id love for your opinion on my case onegu? | ||
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my reads for scum go like this as of right now my #1 is Gotard (no shit) thats the only one im certain of right now. and thats who we should lynch day1. The people i want to look into are: (in no order) stim addict Umasi Firere345 spicy dinosaur guy lonemeow with the bottom two on that list being the people i have the least of a read on. | ||
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just something i thought you might want to do. your paranoia of this is also a little worrying. You are totally nothing but a noob townie in my mind right now. Who didn't want to be accused of doing the exact same things i was doing with the entire iV situation. you felt you needed to continue the war for the sake of honor. thats the way i saw it. was it right, no. the shit-flinging already served its purpose. you continuing it doesnt mean your scum. it means you just made a few unnecessary posts your suspicious yes, and thats mostly just because you were doing alot of the same things i was doing, but your not scum to me... yet! (DUHDUHDUHDUN) honestly your posting without fear which is a good thing(it gives us alot of material to proove your innocents(or being bad, which isnt really a harm), stop being paranoid about why everybody is against you. i think its obvious we know who we should lynch day1 unless somebody has a Freudian slip and screams IM MAFIA. | ||
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