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On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think?
I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority.
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On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this?
No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it.
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On June 07 2013 23:05 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:03 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:51 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 22:42 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 22:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:On June 07 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote:On June 07 2013 21:44 fferyllt wrote:On June 07 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote:
Ebwop
Say who or what you are thinking dont just fish for ideas. The person I am thinking about is Yavannah. Her posts did get better after I pushed her a little yesterday. As I was driving home last night and thinking about the game I was trying to figure out what it is about her play that still bothers me. And I realized it was the contrast with some of the other players who said they are new to the game. She seems so sure of her town reads. I dont really have that feeling at this point. Has she said this is her first game? So far people have had some very strong reads and I dont think that makes you scummy. Why would scum want to say strong reads at this point when just sheeping is a better way of hideing. Onegu I want to pick your brain on something. It seems that fferyllt's problem with Yavannah is that her posts are full of confidence on reads and since this is a newbie game, then that could be only because she's mafia. If that is fferyllt's line of thinking, I believe it shows that fferyllt is town because she is not confident in her reads. What do you think? I dont have a problem with someone not being confident in thier reads, what I have a problem with is when someone makes a read then when they see something else they drop thier read and sheep the majority. Are you saying that I'm doing this? No I am not saying you are doing this you have kept to your read and not just jump on gotard. If you jump ship without good reason and just say xzav is doing so Ill drop it. I am way more likely to vote firere today than Gotard.
that is what I am saying I feel town because you arent just sheeping.
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I also dont like how skan has jumped votes multiple times, at least iV has given strong reasons.
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On June 08 2013 00:17 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm actually fine with a Firere lynch today too, like what SD said before, that last post is just a rehash of things that have already been said, and the quoting of those pro-town posts had no purpose, other than to make it look like he is contributing.
[quote="Onegu"]I also dont like how skan has jumped votes multiple times, at least iV has given strong reasons.
That isn't a scumtell, its a playstyle.[/QUOTE]
So what were your reasons?
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On June 08 2013 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:Is this the strong reasoning that you were speaking about?
He hasent explained the last one but he did the others, I would like a deeper resoning on gotard from.
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On June 08 2013 00:28 Skanjab1s wrote:
Uhh my reasons for what?
For jumping votes 3 times.
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On June 08 2013 00:32 Skanjab1s wrote:
Because that is how I play?
Anyone else find this scummy
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Just so you guys know I will be sleeping in the next 2 hours. Iv can you give a good reason for conforming to votes for your last 2 votes please. I would like to see if firere comes back and offers some more reasoning and defense. Xzav and yavannah what are your thoughts on skan, firere, and umasi?
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On June 08 2013 02:05 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:55 Onegu wrote:
Just so you guys know I will be sleeping in the next 2 hours. Iv can you give a good reason for conforming to votes for your last 2 votes please. I would like to see if firere comes back and offers some more reasoning and defense. Xzav and yavannah what are your thoughts on skan, firere, and umasi? EVeryone conforms to votes unless you're the very first person to vote for a player. In a game of 13 people a majority vote might be 7 players. Does that mean 6 players are scummy for following what that guy said? I've been fairly active and outspoken in saying that all of the people I've jumped to and from are on my scumdar. See below, Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 13:55 iVLosK! wrote:
If I could lynch 3 people in order right now:
Gotard
Umasi
That guy whose name is like frefre or something. I dunno. The fact that I'm jumping between 3 people who I said I wanted to lynch based on new posts coming from each of them isn't really all that surprising.
As I have said I dont mind people conforming I just want reasons for doing so. You giving reasons makes me think more town for you, but just saying its a playstyle or ignoreing me makes me think scum.
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On June 08 2013 03:41 fferyllt wrote:
knock yourself out. Skanjab gave a good enough short answer.
What are you refering to?
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And with that goodnight all, I will try to up before the deadline.
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On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?
anybody else get that vibe?
Yeah I got that also, but I didnt really get a gotard being scum feeling in the first place, but I had a null feel on fire also so I dont know where that leaves me. I would like lonemeow to respond some more before placing a strong read on him. I just dont like how skan just refused to give good answers to me. I still have a scum read on umasi at this point, but mybe my bandwagon thing without good reason is just off base.
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On June 08 2013 15:41 iVLosK! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 13:44 Onegu wrote:On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?
anybody else get that vibe? Yeah I got that also, but I didnt really get a gotard being scum feeling in the first place, but I had a null feel on fire also so I dont know where that leaves me. I would like lonemeow to respond some more before placing a strong read on him. I just dont like how skan just refused to give good answers to me. I still have a scum read on umasi at this point, but mybe my bandwagon thing without good reason is just off base. Explain why you made your vote useless today by voting for someone who was never in a million years going to be lynched and failing to even try to convince others to join you. A vote is a terrible thing to waste, Toss.
I put my vote on someone I thought was scum, why is that a bad thing. I am not the only one either. I wanted to check back in before the deadline but I slept. I dont think me voteing for someone who may or maynot be lynched is such a bad thing, I didnt have strong feelings on either of the two main canidates for myself to justify puting a vote on them.
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I dont have a problem with you swiching votes but not giving good reasons for doing so. But you voteing for fire does leave me a little confused. Maybe I am off base but I want justification for actions. Not just telling me its a playstyle and expect me to be ok with it.
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On June 06 2013 13:11 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:05 iVLosK! wrote:On June 06 2013 12:57 Umasi wrote:
##VOTE iVLosK!
Why are you asking to be voted upon this early?
I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you.
That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case.
You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum.
If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town?
Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests. First underline: Ask that other guy from OMGUS who my vote is on. I give literally zero fucks about your FOS's. In my original post where I "excused myself for future scumminess" or whatever, I was simply stating that I'll do what I want regardless of what you think is scummy. If I don't want to vote for a lurker, I won't. And if I feel like voting for a lurker, bet your fine ass that I will. Regardless of what I've said in the past. Second underline: Maybe you should adjust what you think is "scum-like." I would suggest it, actually. If you and I are going to be friends. I would like to be friends. Also "since I feel confused, you are therefore scum." is literally the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life. And I actually laughed quietly to myself upon reading it. First of all, thanks for saying something other than brofists as a response. Second, your second underline: I'll make this clear. Scum want to sow confusion and get emotional. I think brofists is an emotional term. Scum want to sow confusion, and you did not do something to figure things out, you, as I said, "poked the fire". Don't try to say that's not what scum want to do, that's the entire POINT of what scum wants to do. I'm not sure you're scum, but I think you've a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else here at this point. And I still think you were trying to excuse yourself for future scumminess, which I dislike.
Ok this is the first thimg he tells us emotion is scum the procedes to make more confuseing post and get more and more invested in his posts, but even after all of this for a long time and people call him on it he just drops it.
Sorry im on a tab and cannot figure out how to quote multiple things I am going to do it in multiple posts.
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On June 06 2013 15:28 Umasi wrote:
I'll operate under the assumption that you're town, because everyone else thinks so, and it seems like more will get done this way.
oh, and before you poke fun at me for pulling off of you, let me offer this preemptive rebuttal (see the irony?)
shut up and stop using stupid wordplay. fun as it is for you, it may be confusing for other people (specifically me) and that's bad.
##UNVOTE iVLosK!
The reason is just sheeping at this point in time. No reasons given after going on over 10 posts making a case against iV.
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On June 07 2013 05:48 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:Fferllyt I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter On June 07 2013 02:13 fferyllt wrote:
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in. The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote. The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people. This quote too raised my eyebrows: On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.
Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!" I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.At this point I'm leaning towards scum. Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this? There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi. If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi) I will address the blue part at the end. I agree with you, that scum would benefit from a shitfest, which is what annoyed me the entire time. It felt like he was taking a standoffish /come at me stance, and I felt this could be scum motivated, to start a shitfest, and he was confident he would come out of it on top, so I pursued the avenue of "this guy probably is scum", because he wants me to start a shitfest. Which I unfortunately did, but i don't think it actually messed up the thread too much, I think it made it possible for the thread to get GOING, since before that, it was just talk about lynching lurkers, which I didn't see the point in. The entire blue thing was me addressing all possibilities, and I was led to think he was scummy based on his responses, but I wouldn't have discounted the possibility of him being blue from that line, because it's equally telling either way. But I'm not going to straight up say "you are blue, PUNK" because that's STUPID, that doesn't generate discussion, that just turns people around to say ".....so?" and then he doesn't claim because that'd be an awful idea and we're nowhere.
Scum would benifit from a shitface and you just kept going on. And the blue thing you dont really answer it and I dont see the connection between being blue and being scum. How would someones responses peg them as blue I dont understand this point. And you say Im not going to straight up say you are blue punk but that is almost exactly what you did.
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