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Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 07 2013 22:48 GMT
#695
I'm going to sleep now with hopes that i will be still alive when I wake up. If not? Well... game was fun
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 11:47 GMT
#760
I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum.
I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious.

On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him?


Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that.

Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though.


If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting..

On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.


It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so.

This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.


And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4))

On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.

Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.


Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 11:52 GMT
#762
On June 08 2013 20:36 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 10:20 Umasi wrote:
Firere dying with his vote on Gotard makes me quite a bit less sure about Gotard, since it was close enough he was probably hoping for him to be lynched instead of himself.
And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t



Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion.


I think he had to vote on me doesn't matter if i'm town or not. Not voting on me would be even more suspicious it was his last chance to stay alive.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 12:09 GMT
#764
On June 08 2013 20:50 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:
I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum.
I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious.

On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him?


Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that.

Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though.


If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting..

On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.


It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so.

This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.


And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4))

On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.

Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.


Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow.


Why skanjab?


I will quote myself.

On June 08 2013 00:40 Gotard wrote:

Skanjab1s - 40% Town. Jumping with votes like creazy sometimes without really explaining why. And then
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 22:08 Skanjab1s wrote:
He did backtrack though from his initial post, he initially said that if he had to lynch, it would be between Xzav and Umasi, but after being pressured he said that he doesn't actually want Xzav dead.


I expressed my doubts in my first post and then listed him anyway as my 2nd suspect


He was pressuring me way to much but i'm unsure because it seems like he was fine with lynching Firere. And at the same time he thinks that LoneMeow is a scum. He's posts after first day look much better.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 12:18 GMT
#765
"He's posts" i really need edit function .
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 12:21 GMT
#767
Ponies > Bunnies. SORRY!
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 16:48 GMT
#773
Yay! thanks for fixing.

I think it's good time for LoneMeow to explain everything.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 20:30 GMT
#789
I think this is funny.
On June 06 2013 14:41 Umasi wrote:
Yeah, I'm afraid to go it alone. I want to win, and I'm not confident in myself, so other people expressing doubt like that makes me feel more uneasy. I guess I have shitty reading abilities, but I'm actively trying to improve it. I'm not mindlessly tunneling you, I feel like I've tried to read what you had to say in a pro-town light, but I don't see why you are saying what you're saying.
And my list may have been shitty. If so, ignore it and move on. If you don't ignore it, and it helps you achieve some understanding of the game, then it wasn't useless! If it confuses you, it was bad!
So was it bad, null, or good.
Did it confuse you, did you ignore it, or did it help you understand the game.

Everything you say pisses me off, and that makes me think you're mafia. It's possible you're town!
There's always a possibility! It's a possibility my role pm lied!
And keeping my options open is important, because someone could come and make a convincing case you are town. I'm not going to just continue tunneling you, that's STUPID.
If there is a better lynch than you, I will HAPPILY VOTE IT. At this point, I think you are the best lynch, and have the highest chance of flipping mafia, according to my shit reading abilities.


On June 07 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=147475
I think we can draw parallels between Gotard and Misder that are not trivial:
Ver:
Show nested quote +
Newer mafia players will try to emphasize their inexperience as a way of overcompensating.


Gotard:
Show nested quote +
After reading everything twice I've came with conclusion that some of you are far from being newbies like me

Like, right from the fucking get go.
And he acknowledges that he made a mistake (see above), which I take as basically apologizing. Why would he apologize? For holding a contrary read?


And also this list is looking really interesting Gotard (4): Umasi, Firere345, LoneMeow, Xzavier
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 09 2013 11:51 GMT
#841
I don't get why LoneMeow is still quiet.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 09 2013 20:49 GMT
#881
On June 10 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 07:34 StiMaDDict wrote:
Since the deadline is very close I will make this request short and clear.

LoneMeow is a mafia. Kill him tonight if you are Vigilante.

We have a solid case against him and his interaction with Firere345 (proven scum) further indicate that he is up to no good. I'm not sure whether he is afk or something but he is not even defending himself even though he is in a tight spot. Also he only made these two posts which in my opinion is contentless and weak.

On June 08 2013 14:06 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and good job on the lynch. I'll need a while to read everything that has happened but if anyone's here feel free to ask what's on your mind in the meanwhile.


On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.

Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.



Just a quick question on this? Why ask for a vig kill on him so strongly, i find this quite scummy actually. I am not sure the case is so solid either, people said the samething on gotard and that didnt really turn out so well. Unless the case is a complete slamdunk I dont believe the vig should kill definitely not the first night.


But why would be do that as mafia? If you do things like that and person that you request to kill turns out to be town you are in really bad position next day.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 09 2013 21:36 GMT
#886
I go to sleep. See you tomorrow. I don't see mafia getting a lot of benefit from StiMaDDicT's post. Unfortunately I Don't have time now to check this right now but did he was the one who started accusing LoneMeow or he joined someone else's bandwagon?
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 12:37 GMT
#919
I don't get why Yavanna is still in this game.

Mafia or not? You can't be sure but this is interesting:
On June 07 2013 03:37 Yavanna wrote:
Show nested quote +
Do you have someone who is a high priority to get sorted?


Atm I'm interested in hearing from firere and LM.

It's hard to judge someone who disappeared before the most important parts of this game.

##Vote: LoneMeow
He's defense and argumentation seems desperate to me.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 14:29 GMT
#931
On June 10 2013 22:08 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 22:51 iVLosK! wrote:
Xzavier, you said we could be friends and then you tried to save the now dead scum.

I don't know if we can be friends anymore.


Show nested quote +
On June 10 2013 02:34 Xzavier wrote:
On June 10 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A few hours before I sleep. Just a few things to add right now I would like to know iV scum reads at this point. Second I doubt there is a SK. I am feeling Gotard is town at this point. Xavier assumeing there are at least 2 scum still alive what are your reads at this point. Ffer do you have anythoughts on yavanna?


Usami/Lonemeow
yavanna isnt even on my radar as im expecting her to be modkilled
Gotard probably is town.


I know this seems super generic. but im off to work. ill explain when i get home in 5ish hours i think


##Vote: Xzavier

Your posts have been piss poor since the D1 flip in which you attempted to save a confirmed scum.


Agree but i don't know if I should choose LoneMeow or Xzavier.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 18:58 GMT
#960
On June 11 2013 03:19 Umasi wrote:
As I talked myself through it, I became more and more sure that Yavanna/Lonemeow was the team.

What about Yavanna mentioning Xzavier all the time?

On June 06 2013 11:31 Yavanna wrote:
@spicy, how long should we wait before we start applying said pressure? I think Xzavier said something around 20 hours. I mean how much time spent inactive do you consider lurker status?


On June 06 2013 15:43 Yavanna wrote:
Xzav, you seem to have your shit together. Probably my strongest town read atm and I'm pretty sure I'm gonna sheep the shit out of you in the future.

Now that I've ruffled your feathers, maybe you'll help me out a bit. Just so I know we are on the same page, you think iV is town now? I would concur with that analysis. Is it too early to ask for your opinion on anyone else who's posted so far? Humor me, I'm bored as shit and looking for some good convo.


On June 06 2013 16:10 Yavanna wrote:
nm, shoulda refreshed before I posted. whoops.

Word, if Xzav flips scum I will bow to him. lol


On June 06 2013 16:24 Yavanna wrote:
I'm sucking up to Xzav because he, so far, has impressed the balls off of me. When/if he drops the ball I'll make sure to be the first to catch it.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 20:26 GMT
#975
On June 06 2013 13:01 Umasi wrote:
We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.


This this post was always really suspicious to me:

On June 08 2013 07:30 Xzavier wrote:
Fuck me. sry gotard. i feel bad about this. you woke up at 5 am to respond to me
##unvote
##vote gotard


the claim on firere is weak. im going with my gut and my case.

I really want to look into lonemeow tomorrow


My priorities so far:
1st - LoneMeow
2nd - Umasi and Xzavier

I am still super confused if Xzavier is mafia or not
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 21:03 GMT
#980
Maybe I'm only paranoid, who knows? You are both confusing to me and that's all .
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 10 2013 23:09 GMT
#1009
I go to sleep and I hope my decision to vote LoneMeow is right.
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#1082
i'm really clueless who is who now. I guess it's time to reread everything twice
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 13 2013 15:05 GMT
#1323
Can you update OP?
I'm really busy Do we need to vote today or tomorrow?
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 13 2013 20:51 GMT
#1364
## VOTE Onegu
"who needs girls when u can play as a protoss or riki" Fen1kz 2013
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