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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 07:28 GMT
#1830
Ebwop: tor=time
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 16:18 GMT
#1887
I'm awake, catching up on last night.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 21:19 GMT
#1927
Yamato can you explain what made GK jump above DI to you?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 21:21 GMT
#1928
Also, might as well get this out of the way ##vote: Blazinghand
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 21:35 GMT
#1929
On May 21 2013 03:36 yamato77 wrote:
If I get shot, there are only a few things I want town to think about tomorrow.

1) Don't just auto-default to lynching BH because of the "scumslip". Whether he is actually mafia or not, this is terrible play. I'm not saying don't lynch him, just don't lynch him and do nothing else. If you do lynch him and he flips red, but not mason, immediately lynch Marv. This should go without saying.

2) Don't sleep on the "towniest" players this game. If one of Marv/DP suddenly becomes less interested in this game later on and we've mislynched consecutively, strongly reconsider your reads. They are more than capable of appearing active and pro-town as mafia. I feel its unlikely that either is mafia, but the possibility exists.

3) Pressure low-activity and low-involvement players like Dandel Ion until they contribute, or flat out lynch them. Sometimes, the best places to find mafia is among the low-hanging fruit. Don't just bandwagon on active players and cannibalize yourselves. Anyone you have a null read on, you need to be pressing for information. Try to make conclusions about their alignment.

4) Consider my reads when you're forming yours for day 2. Notably, I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta.

5) Try not to lose this game for me, please. I hate losing.


And what happened to your thoughts here now that you didn't die. You haven't really pursued lurkers or done anything since the day post. What's going on?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 21:55 GMT
#1940
On May 22 2013 06:36 marvellosity wrote:
You're on your 3rd page of filter and it's only day 2. I like the new you Stutters <3

Gotta start somewhere right? :p Although I really need to stop only posting long ass posts and get some more back and forth going.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 22:07 GMT
#1944
On May 22 2013 06:41 Blazinghand wrote:
And, I get it, maybe you think I'm scum, but at the very least if we're dead set on lynching me today we might as well discuss the next lynch, right? Pretend I'm town and talk with me, and if I flip scum if you want you can ignore it all, but I'm going to flip town and you're going to be very glad you did talk with me.

Let's talk.

I'm curious about your town read on JJD. I'm phone posting so I can't pull the quote since I'm on my phone but someone posted about his meta that seemed pretty damming in addition to his overall scummy stylle. If you have access to a computer can you check out what I'm talking about and give your thoughts. If not I'll pull the quote tomorrow morning and would like your thoughts before the flip.

Also can you clarify your last paragraph (the one about JJD where you say "he may be wrong, but his earnest attack doesn't make sense from a town perspective."

Who's attack doesn't make sense and why doesn't it from a town perspective if both people you're addressing there are people you have town reads on?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 22:35 GMT
#1946
My counter to that would be after the NKs there really isn't anything needed to be done really to secure your mislynch. JJD isn't going to get credit for getting on your wagon and he's going to struggle to get credit for anything that isn't drastically off the general sentiment of the thread.

I wouldn't consider him a prime target for tomorrow but I honestly feel like it's a stretch to call him anything above null.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 22:42 GMT
#1948
Not saying that's likely, but I'm having a hard time getting past his meta.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 23:07 GMT
#1950
Another thing I'd like to get your thoughts on.

I put together a cursory read on DI towards the end on d1/early n1. It might be a little hard to follow considering I didn't quote the posts. I also noticed you've been ignoring him for the most part in your own filter. Can you go over my read/filter dive him and give me your thoughts along with why you've been so silent on a controversial person?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 23:09 GMT
#1951
Sorry for the slow responses, posting at work(as if that's any surprise lol)
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 23:17 GMT
#1953
Also I'd like to bounce some thoughts off you regarding Grush and WoS if that's cool since those were the other two you were looking at (plus me, but if you have any questions about my filter you'll have yo ask those and I'll explain).
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 21 2013 23:46 GMT
#1964
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 01:47 GMT
#1979
Marv you here?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 02:18 GMT
#1988
Well we're currently at 13, assuming mislynches throughout we're looking at either 11,9(mylo) assuming 4 mafia w/vig instead of sk. With sk it gets a little weird depending on if they're compulsive or not but 2 days is about our limit assuming worst case.

If BH comes back and continues I'd be interested in putting off his lynch in favor of one of the scummier lurkers. I want Marv's input on that though.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 02:41 GMT
#1996
Grush assume BH is off the table, who do you lynch today and why?
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 02:44 GMT
#1999
Thoughts on my interactions with BH, go.

Hell thoughts on anything would be super swell.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 03:04 GMT
#2001
On May 22 2013 11:44 Stutters695 wrote:
Thoughts on my interactions with BH, go.

Hell thoughts on anything would be super swell.

Ebwop: YAMATO THIS IS AT YOU
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 03:24 GMT
#2002
On May 22 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I think the reason everyone is on my case and accussing me of bussing BH is because they don't want to believe that a relative noob was able to ID scum so early in the game. I'd like to point y'all to the last game I played where I got lynched day 1 and called out 2/3 of the scum team in my goodbye post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058&currentpage=14#279

Like what am I really being accused of?

The whole asking for credit for BH's flip? - The posts that s0Lstice quoted were all in reference to the same thing: DP calling me a top scumread. Most of those quotes were in the same exchange w/ marv.

As for misinterpreting iamps post: Marv, you admitted that he wasn't very clear in his meaning. You really don't believe I could have jumped to that conclusion based on his wording? I even put a disclaimer @ the end of my post that I wasn't sure if that was what he meant.


Calling out scum in a newbie game really doesn't mean much, and I guarantee you no one cares that a relative noob might be scum. Your play has pretty much been picking an inconsistency in someone's play and then tunneling them without weighing in on any issue in the game.

You've provided excuses to explain your inactivity yet since the week has started your posting hasn't improved and you've still stuck to your talking points.

If you want to establish yourself as town put yourself out there, go back and address points made against you instead of lumping it all together.

What do you make of my interactions with BH today for starters.


Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 22 2013 03:38 GMT
#2005
On May 22 2013 11:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy.


Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand.

you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him?


I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons.


Care to elaborate on said different reasons?


Not checking your role pm, your popping in and out of the thread and the frequency of your posts is troubling, especially today. Your read on me was garbage, as well as your read on stutters. Your unwillingness to tell us your view on the 3P seems like a stall. Lastly, Rayne was mostly focused on you D1 and now he's dead. All this adds up to you being scummy. '


Can you explain how the Rayne shot makes GK scummier to you? Obviously this is speculation but there were better shots for scum to take if it was a scum vig on Rayne. It's almost 100% certain scum killed iamp as they wouldn't want a confirmed town who is a strong player around another day. If he has kp that suggests a 3p read over scum.
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