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On May 19 2013 11:24 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:On May 19 2013 11:17 s0Lstice wrote:On May 19 2013 11:13 yamato77 wrote:On May 19 2013 11:12 s0Lstice wrote:On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote:
As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum.
In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum.
Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote:
As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum.
In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum.
Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. What the hell? Did you read the games you linked? This is his first post after the /in post in the scum game you linked On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, just caught up.
I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies".
Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me.
##vote: jrkirby
He voted in his first post and then tunneled the entire time. In fact, I reach pretty much the opposite conclusion you do from the games you linked. That's actually exactly what he said. Um, no it's not. Voting in your first post in the thread, and voting methodically (or saying this stuff is suspicious and then voting a little later, as GK put it) are not the same. He clearly says that his town games are more methodical, and that his scum games are more tunnelish. I'm wondering if you're reading his post that closely. Do I really need to quote this twice? The first paragraph is all about describing scumplay, which he says is tunnely and methodical.
I have a simple question for you:
Looking at JarJar's past games, do you feel his play this game more closely resembles his scumgame or his towngames?
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On May 19 2013 11:42 s0Lstice wrote:by your own criteria GK..
scum JarJar tunnels his top scum readagree, in the scum game you linked, he voted in his first post, and tunneled from then on. he did not mention anybody else he is suspicious of until 4 days (real time) after game start, only supplying town reads as supporting information scum JarJar was sure of himselfagree, tunneling makes you look pretty sure of yourself scum JarJar was methodical with his voteyes, he voted early In this game, he has been suspicious of iamp here Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Sup fellas.
So far the only person acting suspect to me is iampi. I'm not even sure what he's trying to say about DP. That the little funny script he wrote makes him look bad?
@iampi, please explain in more detail what about DPs post looks scummy to you. Keep in mind that some of us weren't in previous games so we may not get some the references he was making. suspicious of grush here: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it. HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. On May 18 2013 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now? The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. and this comes AFTER he started in on BH. I would definitely say he is not tunneling here, in comparison to his scum game. His vote came only in response to iamps claim that he was bussing BH, it did not come with the case. His tone this game is definitely NOT sure of himself. He has been expressing remorse for his activity, and soft pressuring people as illustrated in the posts I showed. Like, this is such a terrible meta case. I need to think on what that means some.
Perhaps you're right that the scum game he had prior doesn't fit perfectly like a glove here. But the reasoning he had behind voting BH here was more effortful than the kind of stuff typical of his towngames. As I said, methodical. I still feel my case is relevant. There are definite differences but I'd say it more closely follows his scumgame than town, no? As for pressure the pressure really wasn't that heavy. I would argue he was set on voting BH anyway, given the effort he put prior into setting up the vote. And as for "remorse," he said why he's not active. This does not equal to remorse. This is simply an excuse, which may or may not be legit. It really doesn't imply in any way that he'd be town. And as for "soft pressuring," it's not like he didn't pressure other people in his scumgame. However both here and there he seems to be fixated on voting one person independent of whatever's going on in the thread.
And to be clear: I never said this was the damning case that confirmed scum. But I saw enough similarities between this game and JarJar's scumgame I feel it is more likely for him to be scum than town. And it elevated him to my strongest scumread.
To be fair though, even though JarJar's reasons are poor, BH would also be a good lynch today. As Darth pointed out, BH hasn't done shit all game, which is completely inconsistent with his towngame. I'd understand if his involvement in other games weighed him down, but his decision to say he's for lynching people without pressuring them at all is not what town BH does. And that all he says in his defense is "lol" is enough to convince me to vote for him.
##Unvote
##Vote: BH
BH shouldn't be allowed to get away with the shit he's been doing when he's clearly capable of much better than this as town.
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If you want to lynch me, suit yourself. Just know this:
Day 1 I don't check my role PM. So you're basically random lynching.
I've resolved to do my best to help town, regardless of alignment, day one. Even as scum, if I were to lynch a teammate I figured I'd just be removing a liability. It was the fruit of all the bitterness of having people down my throat every day one as town.
And if you don't believe me, check hydra mini mafia II obsQT. The only reason I knew my alignment early there was because of my partner peaked.
I've honestly become very tired of putting up with this shit every day one. So feel free to lynch me. I've put it out there. I'll check my alignment closer to the deadline...
And hopefully you'll have enough sanity to go after the obvious people that should be looked into for lynching (BH / JarJar) instead of the guy that's being a tryhard.
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EBWOP: hydraQT, not obsQT, for MockArmor
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Since I know you're probably all too biased / lazy at this point to check, below is the link to the QT I was referring.
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ShgdcVjPdDv
Post #3
This is my meta for day one I've adopted. Feel free to think I'm lying if you want, but this was my last game I played and I've done the same thing here.
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In my last two games with a role like what BH claimed, the role was mafia aligned. I don't see how him using the power he's claimed proves he's town.
In any case, I'll get together a neat little list post in case I'm mislynched today. I've read my PM now, and it says I'm town.
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It came to my attention that I might not be able to make the substantial post I promised if indeed I get up close to the lynch deadline (which will likely be the case). As such, I'm just going to post it now. Below is my promised listpost. If you want the TL;DR version of it go to the bottom. The most relevant part is obviously Spicy, who is who I’m going to be voting for.
Stutters: I know this guy is capable as town of meaningful analysis when he's actually around. Sadly though, that isn't the case here. He's content to afk for the most part... I’d say very slight town only because he seems to have a similar kind of rhetoric and demeanor to what I remember when I played with him in his newbie game. But I would definitely pressure him to get more out of him.
Iamperfection: I'm pretty confident this guy's town right now.
Grush: This guy's a troll. And a source of frustration for me. I'd say based on his behavior he's scum, but for now I will take a blind leap of faith for the starsenses (given that he's allegedly never ever broken from this). If he could provide any kind of helpful insight at all into his thoughts on this game I would feel far better about this...
Blazinghand: This guy is not the aggressive dude I'm familiar with as scum or town. I get he's playing three games, but how is it that the only people he can get behind are a popular bandwagon (Vayne and later me) or complete lurkers (JarJar)? And then just troll… If it gets to some kind of LYLO situation and the expected number of blues are already accounted for I’d take his blueclaim to be a scum fakeclaim.
WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).
JarJarDrinks: I’ve already discussed this guy. He is a scumread for me atm.
Yamato: Townread.
Solstice: In general what stands out to me about him is that he really doesn’t seem to stick his neck out too much. He’s spent a fair deal of time ambivalently thinking I’m scum off and on. In general, I’d say I really don’t like the exchanges we’ve had. Especially some of the stuff with JarJar felt like he was less interested in looking at what I was saying and more interested in finding ammunition to launch a case. He’s a slight scumread, mostly by process of elimination.
Vayne: He seems to be cooperative with thread in actually moving away from his ridiculous no lynch idea and forming his own opinions. While he’s not a fountain of transparency, he’s played similarly to how he played his prior newbie game. Very slight townread.
Sputnik: Afk lurker. Tbh I’m expecting him to get modkilled. If he isn’t modkilled, he’ll get vigi’ed. I’m going to say that his limited shitty play to date is not alignment indicative (he’s shown he can play like this as town in past games). So let’s say for now there’s a 75% chance the dude’s town (assuming 4 scum).
Marv: Shows an interest in solving the game that I believe is consistent with town alignment. I must confess though I am not very familiar with his scumgame.
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.
Dandel: Seems very focused on getting me lynched. In general I haven’t found his discussions very insightful. A troll he may be, but honestly I don't feel very confident he's town atm. I agree with Yamato that this guy is a good lynch candidate.
Darth: Seems to have an active interest in solving this game. I'd say he's town.
Rayne: A disruptive troll that obviously hasn't been reading the thread and obviously doesn't have very much useful to say. Idk if scum would play this poorly. However, as best I can tell it’s not something this guy normally does as town… I’d say he might be trying a different scumgame than what he’s tried in the past. I just don’t feel comfortable giving people who do this shit a free pass. If Sputnik’s modkilled I’d vigi him for sure.
In summary:
ObvTown: GK
Probably Town: Iamp, Yamato, Darth, Marv
People I’m assuming are town for now: Blazinghand, Grush
Slight Townreads: Wave, Vayne, Stutters
Afk/modkill territory: Sputnik
Scumlist: Spicy, JarJar, Dandel, Solstice, Rayne (I’d lynch in that order)
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If I get up early enough I might try to make my SpicyDinosaur case a little more eloquent. The meat of it should be there though.
##Unvote
##Vote: SpicyDinosaur
I will change my vote to one of the people on my scumlist for consolidation if the need arises tomorrow. However, I hope you take a good look at my case as I believe Spicy's more likely to flip scum than the other candidates being considered (JarJar, Dandel). Good night.
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On May 19 2013 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
goodkarma: I don't believe you answered me about my prodding about what you wrote about reyn's meta, would you mind doing so?
Also, regarding Spicy, how do you take into account the reads that iamp and I made on him? have you factored this in?
Would really like to sleep but quickly:
Reyn may have a very small sample size of scum games, and yes that makes the meta analysis I made of him weaker. But I did my best with what I could find, like I do when analyzing all the players here.
As for spicy, he only discussed Solstice when you prodded him to. I disagree that he had that response worked on / mostly onhand as you seem to have speculated. I think he just made it up on the spot. And that his reponse was the wishy-washy kind you'd see from scum. I'd encourage you to look at this game, and then look at his last newbie game. He has opinions this game for sure, but his scumhunting has been pretty nonexistent. In said newbie game, he had suspects and keeped evolving opinions.
Anyway, I'm going to bed for real this time. Good night.
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Just woke up, and it looks like there's some time before the deadline. First thing's first.:
On May 19 2013 20:41 marvellosity wrote:
No, that isn't what I wrote, or what I meant at least. I meant he'd written out an analysis on s0lstice, and as such it would have been super easy for him to vote for s0lstice. Instead he changed his mind on his play and didn't vote for him.
As mafia, why bother including this change of heart? Seems an easy opportunity just to plop a vote down.
The thing with rayn is that he was super-active in his scum newbie game, which not only makes the meta weaker, but potentially flat-out incorrect.
Hopefully you'll be back before deadline.
Regarding Spicy:
As mafia, why bother with being decisive at all? If you don't stick your neck out at all, then you don't draw attention to yourself. I just don't understand what you're trying to get at here. As mafia you try to fly under the radar. One way to do that is to not really think anyone's scum. It may have been easy for him to vote Solstice, but he would be drawing some attention to himself by doing so.
Regarding Rayne:
As for Rayn if there's a game he's been super-active as scum I didn't see it. You would be correct I'd be flat-out incorrect if that were the case. It's not exactly like he made it easy for me to find his games by linking them in his profile. When I was diving into his last ten pages of posting history, I didn't manage to find the game to which you're referring.
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On May 19 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.
I'm wondering if this is an attempted scum vote redirect on me at the last minute to save someone else. Your entire post is hinged on me have 0 scum reads that you are so happy to point out a number of times. This is a complete flat out lie, and given my small filter, a deliberate misreading of me. Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him. This is a scum read on sputnik that you completely ignore. Then in the same post I vote for jarjar because of his excuses. Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him. GK's reading of me is completely false and his deliberate avoidance of my scum reads points to him being scum.
So in your defense post Spicy, you claim to have scum reads. The quote about Sputnik that YOU'VE PRESENTED includes this passage:
"More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him."
I would say that's the EXACT OPPOSITE of a scumread.
And your second post refers to your vote post, which I already mentioned is the ONLY PLACE you've made any kind of scumread. And you botched it up at that, not even being able to keep straight the guy's name you were voting.
Spicy, THIS DEFENSE POST is a flat-out lie, not my case against you.
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Can you guys please look at what I've said about Spicy? I know I may not have massive clout atm, but if you're going to be voting me the responsible thing to do is to look at the strength of the scumreads I've put out there. IN HIS OWN DEFENSE POST, he didn't really have much to say against my accusations. I just don't understand why he's gotten away with zero attention put on him.
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On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes .Gk is still a liar because he ignored my read on jarjar and the vote on him. He claimed i had no scum reads and yet i voted. Hence hes a liar
No. I said you had no scumreads except for your vote post. EVERYONE has to post a vote, so obviously you'll have to at some point make a single stance for a vote cycle. That you were so hesitant to make any kind of scumreads up until that point is the casepoint I made.
This is distinctly different from how you played your only other game (where you were town), which can be referenced by everyone here:
NMM XLI
In said game, you were forthcoming with getting out scumreads, and showed a more active involvement with solving the game. Here, you seem more interested in giving an opinion here or there to show activity while not really sharing any scumreads.
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On May 20 2013 04:33 iamperfection wrote:
everyone sheep me kill sputnik he is our best chance today we can sort out all the other crap later
Do you really feel our best shot today, after all this crap, is to just go for a policy lurker lynch?
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On May 20 2013 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey GK, if you looked at Jarjar's meta from his newb games how come you missed the fact that i played in NM XXXIX with him?
I'll say this one more time:
All I was able to access was your last ten pages of content. NMM XXXIX did not pop up. The earliest I had from the result was Red Team's Prize. If there's a way to look past that and filter through every post you've ever written in the TL interface please tell me, as that would be very useful to know in the future.
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On May 20 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And the fact that NEARLY ALL OF HIS POSTS ADRESS ME IN A WAY OR ANOTHER!!
I looked through filters for everyone for many games. I skimmed through several of these, and I missed that he played with you that game. I was focused on patterns in play that a player exhibited as a given alignment, not the specifics of any game.
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No. I'd just click on their profile and look at the results. Only the last ten pages of their posting content would be shown.
I will do this from now on. Thank you for this.
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@SpicyDinosaur:
On May 19 2013 20:24 goodkarma wrote:
If I get up early enough I might try to make my SpicyDinosaur case a little more eloquent. The meat of it should be there though.
##Unvote
##Vote: SpicyDinosaur
I will change my vote to one of the people on my scumlist for consolidation if the need arises tomorrow. However, I hope you take a good look at my case as I believe Spicy's more likely to flip scum than the other candidates being considered (JarJar, Dandel). Good night.
Have you read this post? I will happily consolidate on those listed here if the need arises. Anything else?
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EBWOP:
*Those listed in my list post.
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I'm here for the next few hours. The first thing that catches my attention is that BH still has yet to share much in the way of reads in-thread. I especially don't like how the moment Darth stops pressuring him, he continues to do next to nothing to get out reads. He definitely has one characteristic in common with that game: very little scumhunting. The guy has very little excuse at this point for his behavior, as he doesn't have Carnival to keep up with anymore. I could see him being more tame here as scum since he is well aware of the presence of players from The Game here, and would consciously try to change up his playstyle a bit accordingly.
If for whatever crazy reason I get vigi'ed + Show Spoiler +(I highly doubt I'll get NK'ed, as should be obvious...)
As for if I do die, I'd recommend you use the information of my flip to pursue persons on my list who've been interested in tunneling me to the exclusion of much other scumhunting. In particular Dandel comes to mind.
Anyway, I'll leave my defense to the stuff brought up this night cycle until after the day post, should I survive.
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