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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:10 GMT
#402
Yes now tell me why that is alignment indicative in any way at all.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:19 GMT
#412
On May 18 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 18 2013 08:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes now tell me why that is alignment indicative in any way at all.


because you have at least a basic understanding of how to read me, as witnessed in personality when you read me as town early, yet you antaogonise me here. thanks.

I still fail to see what that has to do with my alignment.

If you want though, I can dig up the games where I misread your townplay as scumplay, I think there should be around two of those.

I wasn't scum in them either. I don't like using that since it makes me sound dumb even though I'm a really smart chap, but there you go.


Now tell me since when do you think I'm actually good enough at this game that the accuracy of my reads reflects on my alignment, because I know that you don't actually think I'm good enough at this game for that to hold water.
And that's a serious jump in mentality, and I have not seen a single reason for it to occur.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:20 GMT
#414
And one of those games was after Personality too, I'm pretty sure, and you didn't throw a hissy-fit for no reason at all.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:21 GMT
#417
On May 18 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 18 2013 08:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes now tell me why that is alignment indicative in any way at all.


because you have at least a basic understanding of how to read me, as witnessed in personality when you read me as town early, yet you antaogonise me here. thanks.

I still fail to see what that has to do with my alignment.

If you want though, I can dig up the games where I misread your townplay as scumplay, I think there should be around two of those.

I wasn't scum in them either. I don't like using that since it makes me sound dumb even though I'm a really smart chap, but there you go.


Now tell me since when do you think I'm actually good enough at this game that the accuracy of my reads reflects on my alignment, because I know that you don't actually think I'm good enough at this game for that to hold water.
And that's a serious jump in mentality, and I have not seen a single reason for it to occur.



please find those games, that would be appreciated.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#419
Now excuse me, I'm still on page 10.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:24 GMT
#423
On May 18 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 18 2013 08:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes now tell me why that is alignment indicative in any way at all.


because you have at least a basic understanding of how to read me, as witnessed in personality when you read me as town early, yet you antaogonise me here. thanks.

I still fail to see what that has to do with my alignment.

If you want though, I can dig up the games where I misread your townplay as scumplay, I think there should be around two of those.

I wasn't scum in them either. I don't like using that since it makes me sound dumb even though I'm a really smart chap, but there you go.


Now tell me since when do you think I'm actually good enough at this game that the accuracy of my reads reflects on my alignment, because I know that you don't actually think I'm good enough at this game for that to hold water.
And that's a serious jump in mentality, and I have not seen a single reason for it to occur.



please find those games, that would be appreciated.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403256


when did you find me scum in red team? i don't remember that at all. magic i'm discarding because you were with acro, but if you genuininly thought so in red team, that kinda makes a difference.

Eh, early on i think. Probably.

I remember I drew a picture about it.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:28 GMT
#431
Everyone that's not arguing I'd wager.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:46 GMT
#463
On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:
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On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.

i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".

can you?


if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then.

If you just want to make him look like a good lynch, look at MtG, that was his towniest game I've seen so far.

If you want to actually look at meta, look at other games too.

So, "literally always" is technically incorrect, but so far I've seen nothing in this game stutters hasn't done before.

I don't really see the point in comparing meta when he hasn't been scum so far, I tend to get burned on meta arguments that say "he's not doing shit he does as town". I mean, that ain't stopping me, but still.


JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 17 2013 23:54 GMT
#484
Wait why are you voting grush now?
Just cause no starsenses?
Or can you actually read him
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 00:55 GMT
#498
fuck marv is probably actually town
sad day

iamp totally confirmed town because

vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum
I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago.
I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now.
( I still have no idea what he's doing though )

I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=17#330
Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA.

I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.

What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.

GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta)
I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope.

In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers.


Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler +
although I'd like to jot down that if gk is mafia, then solstice is town. Just so I remember this if (/when? :O ) gk flips. Feel free to ignore cuz associations, nobody yet flipped, etcetc~


aaaaand that should be about it.

Okay, going to sleep. Toodles.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 00:55 GMT
#499
On May 18 2013 09:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:
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On May 18 2013 09:05 iamperfection wrote:
spicy you seem to have an interest in getting reads from me for whatever reason but you avoided the shitfest?

why?


you are one of the more active players and one of the first i filtered. As for the shitfests, I gave my 2 cents on the vayne issue. I knew how he played from our previous game and I saw no reason to jump on the band wagon. As for the marvellosity/ Dandel Ion cluster fuck, I felt it was best I stay clear of it. It turned into some kind of argument of meta gaming that I was unfamiliar with. A lot of guys in here have played dozens of games together and can do the meta argument. Dandel started off by just spewing spam but then it seemed he was doing it for a reason. Then the whole thread seemed to be jumping from one person to another. No reason to jump into a shitfest if I have nothing to add, would be just spam.

why did you feel that?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 11:31 GMT
#632
On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself.

This actually interesting, since they do it only 10 minutes apart from each other. I think if they were both scum, they'd be more self-conscious about things like that and, if not not say it at all (since it sounds scummy as hell), at least space it out a little?

That's a scumtell on JJD mainly, I'd say. He's hinding his scummery behind the posts of somebody else. He also made it sound like he's not complaining when he totally was complaining.

On May 18 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:
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On May 18 2013 17:18 yamato77 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from, I suppose.

If there's no better lynch when I look at the game tomorrow, I would be fine lynching him.

What do you think about Marv?


Marv doesn't look good. But I tunnelled him the last two times I played with him and was wrong so I am trying to be restrained this time.

I think I made a post which said marv didn't look good.

He said he wanted to lynch me for no reason, and hasn't mentioned it since.

Ah fuck it. One sec. I didn't like the fact he tried to start like 4 wagons with no explanation at all in the space of like 20 min.
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On May 18 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:
I'm kinda interested in DarthPunk. no real reason. say what you all?

1 min later after Iamp says i look townie

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On May 18 2013 08:31 marvellosity wrote:
wanna kill blazing, iamp? i'm totally game.

4min later
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On May 18 2013 08:35 marvellosity wrote:
i'm voting for blazing. his stutters case is totally underwhelming.

##vote: blazinghand


He unvotes (never votes in voting thread) blazing like 7 min later

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On May 18 2013 08:51 marvellosity wrote:
i can get on a wagon.

LOOK AT GRUSH PLEASE PEOPLE, I COULD KILL HIM TOO.

##vote: JJD


Votes JJD cause ????

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On May 18 2013 08:53 marvellosity wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: grush57




This is actually how you townread marv.....
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 11:35 GMT
#633
On May 18 2013 18:14 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:

GK is obviously town.



You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself.

Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have?

I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in.

[flaming]

Actually, no.

I see him trying to find out which lurker he can push. Explain your townread better.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 11:37 GMT
#634
DP, going against the starsenses is a dangerous endeavor.

I require you to find a game where grush "fakeclaims" starsenses as scum. Until then, I'm not lynching him.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 12:04 GMT
#640
On May 18 2013 20:59 DarthPunk wrote:
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On May 18 2013 20:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
DP, going against the starsenses is a dangerous endeavor.

I require you to find a game where grush "fakeclaims" starsenses as scum. Until then, I'm not lynching him.


I've done more than my share by diving every game of his for the past 10 months. The way he claimed star senses this game is clearly different.

I remember him only claiming it after being under pressure before.

And at the end of the day, it's still a meta argument on things that are different than his usual townplay, not things that are like his usual scumplay. These are often bad and wrong arguments.

Do you actually think he's scum, or do you just want to policy-lynch him?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 12:06 GMT
#643
sputnik actually reminds me of my opening in my mafiascum game, where i tried to do the scummiest opening post possible (without outright claiming scum)

I thought it was funny (both)
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 12:58 GMT
#650
On May 18 2013 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:
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On May 18 2013 21:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
DP, going against the starsenses is a dangerous endeavor.

I require you to find a game where grush "fakeclaims" starsenses as scum. Until then, I'm not lynching him.


I've done more than my share by diving every game of his for the past 10 months. The way he claimed star senses this game is clearly different.

I remember him only claiming it after being under pressure before.

And at the end of the day, it's still a meta argument on things that are different than his usual townplay, not things that are like his usual scumplay. These are often bad and wrong arguments.

Do you actually think he's scum, or do you just want to policy-lynch him?


His last scum game was ages ago and before he started using STARSENSES every game. so there is no scum meta to compare to.
And the difference between his starsenses claims are pretty clear if you read my post or the filters I linked.

Regardless WoS is the leading wagon atm what are your opinions of him?

My point exactly.

I could get behind a Wave lynch. I would have expected him to do something townie by now.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 12:59 GMT
#651
On May 18 2013 21:07 yamato77 wrote:
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On May 18 2013 20:35 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 18:14 yamato77 wrote:
On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 15:58 yamato77 wrote:

GK is obviously town.



You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself.

Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have?

I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in.

[flaming]

Actually, no.

I see him trying to find out which lurker he can push. Explain your townread better.

No.

ok

suit yourself
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 14:13 GMT
#664
On May 18 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:
it would be weird for you as scum(especially if bh is town) to attack one of the few players in this game that has the potential to have thread control. That is all I'm saying.

Last time I saw that argument for a townread, it was dead wrong. (hapa townreading me in british 2 for troll-tunneling DrH)
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
May 18 2013 14:14 GMT
#665
btw, ARE you saying you think bh is town?

just so we're on one page here.
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