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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:07 GMT
#2288
Killing Dandel may be as good as mafia at this stage, not sure.

He should have been shooting for mafia but he's just acting as mafia's 2nd KP for no reason that I can discern.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:10 GMT
#2291
If we don't lynch you now and you hit town tomorrow we'd lose anyway.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:12 GMT
#2293
I don't believe you. The only option where town has its fate in its own hands is the 3-mafia solution.

The correct gameplay situation is to lynch you.

Because the only way town can win ultimately is by lynching you, and we'll control less and less of the town.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:14 GMT
#2296
Is he even 3p? What the fuck are you smoking?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:21 GMT
#2299
Fairly obviously, yes. Are you actually reading?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:26 GMT
#2307
I think Wave is high
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:28 GMT
#2311
On May 24 2013 06:26 s0Lstice wrote:
I think we have to lynch him. We have no assurance he won't hit town tomorrow and end the game for us, oddly enough.

It's just like the BH day, where our target was there the entire day and killed all other discussion.


And if it was 3 mafia, then if we lynched mafia today, it would be 6-2-1

then the SK would be shooting at town anyways
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:28 GMT
#2312
On May 24 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 06:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
I had no posts written up, I meant Fakeclaims International - 100% host provided.

role PM style.

Ok this is what I was wondering.
For people who have ever fakeclaimed stuff, do you always have your claims provided for you if there is claimable flavour involved?


WHY DOES IT MATTER
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:33 GMT
#2316
On May 24 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are fakeclaimed roles given out by hosts roles that exist in game?


We can't know that. How is anyone supposed to know the answer to that? What are you doing?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#2317
iamp told me he a VT fakeclaim, for whatever reason.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#2319
On May 24 2013 06:35 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv you know Dandel better than I do. I'm not certain he can be trusted to do the optimal thing an SK would do in any given situation. I mean if he goes full on troll...it may be better to remove him from the game ASAP.

Gotta think on it.


This is blatantly obvious. He shot town last night when he should have been shooting mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:39 GMT
#2321
On May 24 2013 06:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
On May 24 2013 06:26 s0Lstice wrote:
I think we have to lynch him. We have no assurance he won't hit town tomorrow and end the game for us, oddly enough.

It's just like the BH day, where our target was there the entire day and killed all other discussion.


And if it was 3 mafia, then if we lynched mafia today, it would be 6-2-1

then the SK would be shooting at town anyways

Except I wouldn't know if that was the case anyways so I actually do still need to shoot mafia, but nice try I'll give you a 3/10


the fact you don't know yourself makes your own plan all the more stupid
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:41 GMT
#2324
The only way the game is definitely in our hands is to lynch Dandel

on the flipside, we could lose by lynching Dandel

the choices aren't pretty
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:42 GMT
#2326
If it's 5-4-1 right now we lose by lynching him for obvious reasons
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:42 GMT
#2327
there is no "if he's town", come on now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:49 GMT
#2332
Well, SK balance is a funny thing.

11-4-1 could be balanced, because an SK is assumed to try to balance the teams out if town are lynching town.

however our SK is making the game even more lopsided.

it's hard to say.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:49 GMT
#2333
On May 24 2013 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like, can you really have that many anti-town elements in play?
Ugh there's still so much about game setup that I have no fucking clue about.

Marv do you just want to lynch him and hope we don't endgame ourselves then, is that what you're saying?


yes, i want fate in our hands basically.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 21:57 GMT
#2338
The big problem is that the SK doesn't know how many mafia there are either.

If it's 5-4-1, we have two options:

1) lynch SK, we lose immediately to the nightkill
2) lynch mafia, when after nightkills it would be either 4-1-1 (where we can lynch the SK) or 3-2-1, where the game is out of our hands

If it's 6-3-1 then lynching either mafia or SK is fine.

The issue is that the SK doesn't know whether there are 3 or 4 mafia. So if we lynch mafia, there are two possible distributions according to the SK:

5-3-1 OR 6-2-1 after the lynch, and assuming mafia shoot town, 4-3-1 and 5-2-1. In the 2nd instance, SK would hit town, in the 1st instance, SK would hit town as well, because if he hits mafia then town can afford to lynch the SK.

I'm rambling a bit but basically in all scenarios, the best play for the SK is to hit town and cause us to lose, because the SK can't know how many mafia there are.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 23 2013 23:52 GMT
#2349
On May 24 2013 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
Considering I outright told you who I killed, I don't see how you're wondering that.

Also lynching me is really not your best move.

But I see you are content to ignore the mighty spears of logic just because you dislike my play or whatever.


I outlined pretty clearly why it was the right play actually.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 24 2013 00:07 GMT
#2351
Basically if I wasn't clear in my numbers post (hopefully everyone can understand) - if we lynch mafia today, for his own wincon Dandel has to hit town tonight, because if Dandel hits mafia then we can afford to lynch Dandel for free.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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