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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 11:38 GMT
#1841
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 11:54 GMT
#1844
On May 21 2013 20:47 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 16:15 yamato77 wrote:
I really don't understand the Rayn shot. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a scum kill. Seems more like a 3P kill, given that there were more dangerous players alive who seemed more universal as townreads. If we flip BH, it practically confirms this suspicion, and it does make BH look quite terrible if I trust my analysis.

IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset.


My feeling on the rayn kill is that it if it was a 3P kill, then GK is a highly likely to be the 3P killer. Rayne's posts D1 moved around a bit but a large portion was written dealing with GK. It's the only thing that could possibly justify the kill aside from the vig shots. The other possible interpretation I was thinking was that it was a mafia vig shot and they shot rayne because they thought the better targets had docs on them that night.


From the knowledge I have of a couple of serial killers, there's not necessarily a massive amount of thought that goes into a specific kill, especially night 1. But you might be right.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 12:48 GMT
#1848
On May 21 2013 21:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv

I'd like to hear about this some more:

It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.

from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?

I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion

I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.

So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?

I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum.

I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum.

am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"?

And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame?


Remind me to talk about this in 24 hours or so.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 13:17 GMT
#1851
On May 21 2013 22:13 s0Lstice wrote:
Marv- we were at the same endpoint. I was just trying to put the cart before the horse, and erroneously expecting you to do the same.

JarJar, we are well into the week now. After BH, are you still maintaining that DP is scum?


Splendid. So now we're heading due forwards, what do you think of the merit of the original argument I was making before we got distracted?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 13:24 GMT
#1852
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads?
YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush


You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it.

DP - reasons already stated.

Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.


What else do you find suspicious about Spicy? Various players in this game are of the opinion that a mistake like that is more likely to come from a townie, why in particular do you disagree?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 14:39 GMT
#1858
On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him.


Mind explaining why?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 14:53 GMT
#1861
On May 21 2013 23:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:
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On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him.


Mind explaining why?


One of my biggest problems with him was his lack of post/excuse for postings which he has improved on. I thought his asking for town credit didn't feel scummy. He was taking a lot of heat D1 and when the BH slip happened, his response felt like a "i told you so!" Just felt like a new player reaction more than a scum. I also found it extremely unlikely that jarjar was bussing BH from the beginning, so if BH flips scum, I'd doubt that jarjar would also.

The other reason is that others have jumped out more.
BH with the slip, dandel not giving a fuck and the last second vote still annoys me, and then GK for his no reading role pm, his flimsy arguments and for possibly being the 3P killer.


I thought the same yesterday about the BH thing, today I'm not so convinced on it.

I also checked out JarJar's newbie games; in 2 he didn't make any activity excuses at all, in 1 he made several. Guess the alignments?

His general tone is bugging me too, but I don't know how to explain that one very well.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:20 GMT
#1864
Wave you so cute

The frame? what?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:27 GMT
#1867
On May 22 2013 00:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 22 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Wave you so cute

The frame? what?

My thoughts on whether or not BH was framed. Are you 100% sure he is mafia? Because I'm not.
Cute trap you appear to be trying to set though.


Framed by what?

???
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:35 GMT
#1871
On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.

I don't know what is so hard to understand here.


Well framing is typically done by a framer.

I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it?

Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:44 GMT
#1874
On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.


Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo.


That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:48 GMT
#1875
On May 22 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.

I don't know what is so hard to understand here.


Well framing is typically done by a framer.

I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it?

Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference?

I don't really understand the bolded part of your statement.
As for the second, I suppose not. You think that there was no particular reason other than blue/iamp was towny for the kill last night? Again I have to ask, but in recent games I have played there appear to be (at least to me) obvious attempts to make me look like scum by scum killing townies I may have suspected or whom suspect me (usually the second). Is this or is it not something scum are likely to do, or is it me being a conspiracy theorist again? (I just can't fucking help myself)


The bolded bit is really just my poor english which is subsequently explained ergo, iamp is town mason whether iamp is alive or dead.

iamp looked very town, and he outright claimed blue in the thread, while not being the most obvious medic target (DP and yamato were clamouring for that, iamp was telling the medic to protect me).

You're overthinking things if you're looking deeply into the reasons why a strong very townie-looking player who blue-claimed was nightkilled.



Here's some Blazing quotes. I've bolded various things, the rest of it doesn't really require any commentary. Let me know if you're desperate though.

On May 20 2013 06:28 Blazinghand wrote:
I've actually gotta go to work for a couple hours but I'll do my best to make up for my generally shit D1 play with some serious work tonight. Optimally I make it so scum has to shoot me.


On May 20 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:

Interesting, but not really relevant. There's no choice more optimal than Marv. We work well together, he's smart, he's active and is around all the time, and I have a townread on him. He may not be as townread-ey to me as you are, but I don't interact well with you and my time wouldn't be as well-spent [as a quicktopic sharer - marv].



On May 20 2013 17:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Honestly I've been entirely tied up with defending myself since the "scumslip" and haven't done the actual filter-diving that I promised beforehand. I'll get right on it.



On May 21 2013 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Most of my activity during the night was spent dealing with the "scumslip". Unfortunately, effort and time are limited resources, even for a guy like me-- more time spent doing one thing takes away from my ability to do others.So, I didn't get much done in the QT or even in the thread. It doesn't look good, but that doesn't change things: it is what it is.

And, imo, my activity in the QT is not my best chance to avoid a mislynch. It's my activity in the thread, really.

I'll do my best to write cases and generate valuable information before bed tonight.
I doubt I'll be able to avoid getting lynched today, but it's still my duty to leave something behind so that after DP picks his jaw up off the floor he can get something done.


On May 21 2013 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:
You don't really think I'm scum, though, and you don't want to say it-- you can't. That's okay, though. I'll see if I can't do something to make your belief justified.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:53 GMT
#1877
On May 22 2013 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.


Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo.


That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle.


It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you.


It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3

It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 15:58 GMT
#1880
On May 22 2013 00:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2013 00:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 21 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Hey DP, some input on this GK stuff? Talk to me, I'm bored.


Sorry I missed this been busy with the computing society at uni. GK needs to contribute more or die. IMO. I want to see townie goodkarma from that newbie where he raped the scum team at lylo.


That's not a very interesting or thoughtful response. I brought up specific points and GK made specific responses. I want to know what you think about them. Not some general waffle.


It's two in the morning but I'll take a look before bed and get back to you.


It wasn't 2 in the morning when it all happened, you just didn't talk about it at the time either <3

It can wait until tomorrow if you want to sleep.


I wasn't really around when it all happened. I'm going to make a coffee and get into it though if you'll be around for at least another half hour?


Sure, I'll be here.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:01 GMT
#1881
On May 22 2013 00:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
DP mentioned this about BH; would you expect a wrongfully accused BH to rail against his 'retarded attackers' or act the way he's been acting?

Regarding your line of quotes: honestly if BH really was town it's true that the best use of his time would have been to just ignore DP for the time being, convince YOU that he was town and then the two of you together would have done a better job in preventing a supposed mislynch. I don't know what else there is to say about all this. The evidence is overwhelming and damning. My gut feelings aside that there's something 'up,' I don't really see what else I can dispute. If people like JJD (that aren't likely scum) think that I'm not committed to a BH lynch because my vote isn't on him atm I can change it, but I'd still like to find out who the rest of the scumteam are and there's over 24h to go, so I don't see why that matters.


I'd perfectly expect BH to rail against his attackers as either alignment. The fact is on Sunday evening he promised to filter dive and hunt mafia; he didn't. He fought DP. Fair enough!

Then on Monday he came back, and he didn't hunt mafia either. He's gone to bed twice (!) since he promised he would be hunting mafia. Also see my earlier post about how I think BH would generally behave in such situations:

On May 21 2013 17:46 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 17:08 Blazinghand wrote:
You don't really think I'm scum, though, and you don't want to say it-- you can't. That's okay, though. I'll see if I can't do something to make your belief justified.


You'd have done something by now, that's the point. You promised awesomeness 24 hours ago! That's a long delay. You've whined about why couldn't there be 2 town masons (there could! but it's irrelevant) and generally not done what I'd expect a town BH to do in this respect, which is to be the towniest town of townington.

Your play has tonnes of similarities to mine, BH, and if I'd made a slip that wasn't a slip as town, I'd be shitting fucking townie rainbows in the thread because GODDAMNIT motherfucking marvellosity (insert BH as appropriate) is not getting lynched for something so fucking stupid, and motherfucking marvellosity is gonna catch the god-damn mafia and you'll all bloody see how townie I am.

Instead all we see is this apathetic whining and resignation to die with a "last will". Yuk.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:15 GMT
#1883
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.

Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:18 GMT
#1885
buuuuuuuurn.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:24 GMT
#1890
On May 22 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.

Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that?

Haha I meant to say something like "explain to the best of your ability" but I guess I forgot that part.
Honestly, no I'm not sure I do understand. I'll go have a look at him in the next little while though with that in mind.


Like... he starts off with a bunch of activity shit, and since then on several occasions he's seemed angry/aggressive without anything in particular to warrant it.

I really would encourage you to skim his filter in XXXIX just for 'feels'.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:26 GMT
#1892
On May 22 2013 01:24 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On May 18 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote:
On May 18 2013 22:03 iamperfection wrote:
marv do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum?


Maybe? I understand what you're getting at, but I'm ambivalent about it.

Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him.

##vote: blazinghand

(Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying)


This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me.


Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 21 2013 16:35 GMT
#1896
On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.

With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative.


I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible.

If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best.
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