On May 29 2013 11:46 s0Lstice wrote:
Not really sure what else I can say to you DP. I kind of feel like I'm talking to a wall. I stayed around at the expense of some stuff that was probably more important than mafia to assuage your fears and respond to any important changes immediately near lynch time, in part because you suggested I should...and you disappeared. You listed your reasons and I explained. I feel like you have only one valid point, in how I didn't push Marv with any gusto...but I have since written up my thoughts on him in some detail.

The funny thing is, you give me shit for how I pushed Marv, but it's not that far off from your treatment of me.

Anyway though, we've been pretty awesome so far at lynching townies, so why stop now right?

I disappeared because it was 3 in the morning and i fell asleep. the lynch time has been bad for me this game. Now obviously GK wasn't scum and I switched off of you who i still think IS scum to consolidate. So obviously I feel like I should have lynched you instead.

DarthPunk

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May 29 2013 16:58 GMT

#2846

He didn't say it without the formatting in recent games. But I don;t believe he would ruin that forever for himself for 1 scum win.

DarthPunk

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May 29 2013 17:05 GMT

#2849

Fuck s0lstice could very well be town after reading his filter again and his recent posting. Who is left then? If you remove marv myself and s0lstice.

You are left with Vayne, WoS, Grush, JJD.

but you have to remove grush because starsenses.

That leaves Vayne, WoS and JJD. two of whom have been somewhat town reads of mine.

Like I think the sk should shoot JJD as the most certain to be scum.

So vayne, WoS, JJD as not town. add s0lstice if scum team is 4 people?

DarthPunk

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May 29 2013 17:06 GMT

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On May 30 2013 02:03 s0Lstice wrote:
I mean, I get that DP, but at the time it happened the game was basically in full stop waiting for him to say it. I don't think it's so simple. The attention was very much on him. He knows at that moment if he doesn't say it he is going to get lynched, no question. Are you confident that a scum grush just takes the lynch there?

Grush is going to get lynched all the time without starsenses. If he wasted it for 1 win as scum then I am fine with just policy lynching him day one in every single game from now on.

DarthPunk

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May 30 2013 02:27 GMT

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oh this game is finally over. GJ scum team.

Plan was to look absurdly townie early and hope to draw medic prots or make myself seem like a good target for medic prot night one and two. I WIFOM'd a bit about protection for this reason the first two nights. Not sure if it worked or not cause i haven't read the scum QT yet.

around the end of the BH lynch i thought it was very likely that he was going to flip town but at that point I changed my plan from winning with town to winning with scum.

I started to be useless so that I would be less of a threat and hopefully dodge night kills if I had to survive past night four when I couldn't hide any longer.

DarthPunk

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May 30 2013 02:36 GMT

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as an aside Playing third party is not as fun as town/scum.

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May 30 2013 02:42 GMT

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On May 30 2013 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah fucking props to my team on the blue sniping. I had nothing to do with that shit

I would be happy to be on a team with any of you again.

So yeah I guess I can't say I've never been scum/never lied anymore; Prom says my town game is rightly fucked now so we'll see.

this

DarthPunk

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May 30 2013 03:10 GMT

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On May 30 2013 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

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Well hopefully it just means people stop taking me so lightly

DP yeah you effectively WIFOMed us (me?) off of killing you N1. I wanted you gone but we were worried about protection on you and marv basically all game. It's funny how that worked out; I had you two pegged as the two strongest townies (with iamp as close second--grats to the rest of my scumteam for being around before deadline on that one) yet you were both left alive until the end.

YAY!

DarthPunk

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May 31 2013 02:47 GMT

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I don't think my role was too powerful. It was very anti scum with the night action oriented double shot power but that never came into play either. I think, depending on the player that survivor as a role is either far too easy or too difficult.

Give the role to Kush for example and he will have a very good chance at winning without doing much at all.

Give the role to Marv and I think he would find it much more difficult.

That being said I do not agree that the role should have no KP mitigation ESPECIALLY in a game with scum KP and a 2 shot vig in a mini.

The chances of a 'good player' being shot is very likely in a setup like this. You only need to look at how badly WoS wanted to off me and marv in the scum QT.

I think some form of Night protection is needed with one-shot bullet proof being much stronger than the 2-shot commuter ability IMO.

DarthPunk

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May 31 2013 02:53 GMT

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On May 31 2013 11:49 WaveofShadow wrote:

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To be fair Dandel did have to slap me around a bunch to get me to calm down. 1st time scum - I don't know that me offing you would have been the right call; in this case it obviously wasn't.

Well I would have been shot night two if Iamp hadn't claimed to early and if dandel hadn't been the only one around and if it happened to be my NK out of the two that he switched to perfection.

But seriously. Never shoot me when you are scum. Pretty please?

DarthPunk

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June 04 2013 04:05 GMT

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I think you did enough to not get mislynched. After that it is up to town to read your alignment correctly and then change wagons. The problem was town was comfortable lynching you and no one stepped up and pushed an alternative.

You can't blame marv though. I felt like he articulated better than most of the town why he still wanted to lynch you. the others just let it happen for no reason.

Probably you should have pushed another wagon really hard yourself. Like you gave reads but you should have tunnelled your biggest scum read to the end of the earth (i know you can do that) if the push was convincing enough that would have saved you IMO.

Town don't want to just be told you are not scum. they also want you to spoon feed them their next lynch. If you are going to convince town to do what you want, make it as easy as possible for them.

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June 04 2013 04:15 GMT

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On June 04 2013 13:07 Blazinghand wrote:
I did eventually try to tunnel GK a bit. Not that getting him mislynched before me would have helped much, but I did try. Part of the problem I think is I wanted to get a tunnel started on GK but I was having trouble getting people to engage with me on him. I had to call out people by name, and often more than once, to get them to respond to the case.

Your GK push wasn't convincing enough. If your case had blown away the town and you spammed up the thread calling for a lynch you would have lived.
Town won't switch off you if they have to think too hard. you need to make it really really easy for everyone to switch wagons.