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On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
So if DP is potentially mafia bussing BH, same could be true of you on Day 1, right?
Like "gosh darnit, everyone believes the claim, but I still think he's mafia!"
Looks good if BH later flips mafia, right?
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On May 20 2013 23:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. This guy knows BH is scum. There is no doubt. and he is trying to make me look bad or something when BH flips red. I don't give a fuck if it's association before the flip. Lynch this guy after BH. also. Since when does JJD say FWIW. I know blazinghand says that though.
This is almost as silly as me saying you were making the wrong jokes
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On May 20 2013 23:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I don't care who you have/haven't pushed you are independently scummy despite blazing hands alignment.
You think JJD came out of the gate bussing his experienced mafiabuddy?
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On May 20 2013 23:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
No, it's accurate
There's been a lot going on since you last posted...
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On May 21 2013 00:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
ohai guise, I back.
DP why are we lynching BH tomorrow and not Dandel?
I suggest you read the thread before asking inane questions
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On May 21 2013 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
No I read the slip, but despite BH's actions the fact that you are still completely 100% sure that he is scum doesn't make sense to me when we fucking Dandel just fucking taunting us all game.
Do you think taunting is a good mafia tactic?
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On May 21 2013 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 00:26 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
No I read the slip, but despite BH's actions the fact that you are still completely 100% sure that he is scum doesn't make sense to me when we fucking Dandel just fucking taunting us all game. Do you think taunting is a good mafia tactic? Do you think his behaviour has in any way indicated that he is playing for the town?
wasn't my question
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On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now? That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either? Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv?
Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion.
My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions".
If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy.
Ok?
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On May 21 2013 01:05 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
Probably not, no. Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now? That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either? Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv? Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion. My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions". If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy. Ok? What, then, are your thoughts on Dandel right now? We have so much shit in this town doing nothing and the only one you seem to find it in your heart to defend is Dandel. Is it because you believe him to be town? I feel like I have no idea what you're up to, marv. You do engage people in discussion and ask all sorts of questions but I don't know what you think of people.
The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness.
Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess.
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On May 21 2013 01:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 01:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
Probably not, no. Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now? That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either? Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv? Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion. My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions". If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy. Ok? What, then, are your thoughts on Dandel right now? We have so much shit in this town doing nothing and the only one you seem to find it in your heart to defend is Dandel. Is it because you believe him to be town? I feel like I have no idea what you're up to, marv. You do engage people in discussion and ask all sorts of questions but I don't know what you think of people. The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness.Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess. I very clearly pointed out how this is blatantly not true, Marv. You got some 'splainin' to do.
No, you made a post trumpeting your own opinion which you now hold to be 100% true even though it's totally subjective to you and contains gems such as "dandel doesn't sheep" when he sheeps multiple times each game as town.
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On May 21 2013 01:55 yamato77 wrote:
I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game?
Do you think he's been playing "follow the marv"? He had GK as a scumread when I never did, and I had vague suspicions of JJD, but his were significantly more explained than mine ever were (which were general meta activity).
How did Dandel make his scumreads in British 2? I would say he's explained his scumreads here quite a bit more than he did there.
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On May 21 2013 02:10 yamato77 wrote:His suspicion on JJD is not well-explained by any stretch of the imagination. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.
What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. Yeah, no.
This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...)
On May 18 2013 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 19:18 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing - something I don't like that both WoS and JarJar are doing is complaining about thread activity. That riles me quite a bit. Especially with WoS, given how posty he usually is himself. This actually interesting, since they do it only 10 minutes apart from each other. I think if they were both scum, they'd be more self-conscious about things like that and, if not not say it at all (since it sounds scummy as hell), at least space it out a little? That's a scumtell on JJD mainly, I'd say. He's hinding his scummery behind the posts of somebody else. He also made it sound like he's not complaining when he totally was complaining.
And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia:
On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
I found it weird people were backing off jjd for no good reason/while keeping him in their "scum/would lynch" pile, so, trying to make sense of shit I decided to do a jjd counter!
JJD Counter: Spicy voting him and confusing his name with WoS
solstice defending him
BH saying he would lynch jjd
^DP trying to lynch BH for that
everyone else deflecting on BH
GK saying he would like to lynch jjd, yet votes BH in accordance with ^
JJD COUNTER DISCONTINUED BECAUSE GK CLAIMED SCUM GG
##Unvote
##Vote Goodkarma
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Shrug. It looks natural to me. Anyways, I'm not here to defend Dandel, he can fend for himself.
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On May 21 2013 03:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The problem is if marv is scum nobody has balls to lynch him other than me & yamato.
yes, this is a very silly post.
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On May 21 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.
Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected. There is noone in thread that can't possibly be scum other than yamato for me. And i remember Dandel's retarded comments from Red where he stated that marv can't be lynched on D1 so it's not worth looking into him. So no, i don't think Dandel would lynch marv. Dunno about you and BH. You however have a point in marv/BH mason thing (i guess you are referring to that?). Assuming BH is scum marv would be valuable as town, but still.. yamato is the towniest guy in thread.
so you made a completely baseless assertion?
excellent.
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Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot.
Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.
getting my share on, don't hate Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time? OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.
Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum. Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though. When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: StuttersI look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far.
Here's a couple of things he said in The Game.
On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:@Mr. Wiggles:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time. Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarmaConvince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreadsAs far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy...
On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:
I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle.
Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important.
Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes.
I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER.
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On May 21 2013 04:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv what would you suggest we do about GK if it seems BH is still mainly on the block tomorrow? Do you think its worth waiting some more to see what he comes up with or is he vig fodder? I don't think he's done anything since before the shitstorm with BH last night.
I dunno. I think GK is mafia now though.
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