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On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.
Why do you know that he altered his gameplay? And since when is it a mistake to be new to TL? And what marv said.
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On May 15 2013 23:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Being relatively new (to TL) and overeager. I don't know about his mafiascum history so I can't say how many games he's played or whether the TL and MS atmospheres are different enough to alter one's gameplay.
Then what is the bold part meant to say?
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On May 15 2013 23:53 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, what I would probably aim to do, given the setup, is to try and gather 2 groups together. The ABCFJ block is quite nice, and positioned well. If they head for the top left corner (assuming there's no angels in the way) and try and set up defensively there.
The rest are scattered around a bit more, but its still salvagable if they aim to head towards the bottom edge, probably close to where E is right now. G is the most isolated of everyone and is a good bet for being the first angel-food unless he has high movespeed.
Identifying who we all are is definitely a priority. I would argue that rather than waiting until the deadline to announce our moves, we should all come up with 12 unique moves and assign them to each player. This avoids any chance of scum doubling up on moves.
You are aware that some the letters are scum, right? So by herding all people together you also get townies near scum. How do you propose to deal with that?
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On May 15 2013 23:59 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:58 phagga wrote:On May 15 2013 23:53 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, what I would probably aim to do, given the setup, is to try and gather 2 groups together. The ABCFJ block is quite nice, and positioned well. If they head for the top left corner (assuming there's no angels in the way) and try and set up defensively there.
The rest are scattered around a bit more, but its still salvagable if they aim to head towards the bottom edge, probably close to where E is right now. G is the most isolated of everyone and is a good bet for being the first angel-food unless he has high movespeed.
Identifying who we all are is definitely a priority. I would argue that rather than waiting until the deadline to announce our moves, we should all come up with 12 unique moves and assign them to each player. This avoids any chance of scum doubling up on moves. You are aware that some the letters are scum, right? So by herding all people together you also get townies near scum. How do you propose to deal with that? Some letters are puppets, the actual scum are hidden(the ones who can eat us)
uh what? What makes you think so? Because in the OP it says
This game will take place on a 25 X 25 square Board. Each player will begin on some place on the board. You will not know which icon on the board corresponds with which player in the game. The Angels can see everything and know which player is which.
which implies that all the letters corresponds to players.
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On May 16 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm waiting for you to push someone first, babygirl. No sheeping >  All anyone has done is talk about the setup. Its annoying and both scum and town can do it = wasted half of day 1. CONGRATULATIONS guys. Ok lets talk about Phagga. What has he done this game you ask? Talk about setup. What does he talk about? The movement of the pieces. There is one interesting thing though. Before he went to sleep, Phagga was in favor of picking directions for each of the alphabets. After he woke up, he changed his mind off of nothing and said that we should just claim right before day breaks. Well. Phagga, what made you change your mind?
Because Blazinghand wrote in this post as an answer to my plan that it would make more sense to claim right before deadline. And I think he's right, as this makes it harder for scum to mimic our movements.
On May 16 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Also about fferlyt or whatever, why purposely point out him for 'not doing anything' when there are at least like 4-5 in the same boat as him? What is specifically more scummy about fferlyt and not these other people phagga?
Because fferlyt was active in the thread, but did not partake in the discussion at hand. Instead he just posted some fluff over a few posts and disappeared again.
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Oats:
On May 15 2013 23:33 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 15 2013 23:24 phagga wrote:On May 15 2013 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 15 2013 22:51 phagga wrote:On May 15 2013 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote: I wanted to make it clear that the above scenario is very unlikely due to the huge amount of combination possibilities available. Dude. The above quote is referring to someone claiming before deadline and scum copying their move. Nothing to do with claiming unspecific information. Yeah, you're right, I missed that. However, it doesn't change the fact that I really want this to happen. Even if scum is successfully messing with us, we should still be able to recognize most people. Too much setup talk, not enough realtalk. Who you wanna lynch? fferyllt for being in the thread and not posting anything of substance. In a far second place marv for being way to nice and not enough leader-ish. You know, I tried that 'marv is too nice' tell before. yeah its not accurate  Same with the leader thing. Hmm, we'll see. What about you, who would you like to lynch currently? Same question to marv.
I can't remember getting an answer from you.
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and why do you want to lynch me?
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On May 16 2013 00:14 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:13 Zephirdd wrote:On May 16 2013 00:02 phagga wrote:On May 15 2013 23:59 Zephirdd wrote:On May 15 2013 23:58 phagga wrote:On May 15 2013 23:53 deconduo wrote:
Hmm, what I would probably aim to do, given the setup, is to try and gather 2 groups together. The ABCFJ block is quite nice, and positioned well. If they head for the top left corner (assuming there's no angels in the way) and try and set up defensively there.
The rest are scattered around a bit more, but its still salvagable if they aim to head towards the bottom edge, probably close to where E is right now. G is the most isolated of everyone and is a good bet for being the first angel-food unless he has high movespeed.
Identifying who we all are is definitely a priority. I would argue that rather than waiting until the deadline to announce our moves, we should all come up with 12 unique moves and assign them to each player. This avoids any chance of scum doubling up on moves. You are aware that some the letters are scum, right? So by herding all people together you also get townies near scum. How do you propose to deal with that? Some letters are puppets, the actual scum are hidden(the ones who can eat us) uh what? What makes you think so? Because in the OP it says This game will take place on a 25 X 25 square Board. Each player will begin on some place on the board. You will not know which icon on the board corresponds with which player in the game. The Angels can see everything and know which player is which. which implies that all the letters corresponds to players. I don't think it makes sense to have puppets if the angels are shown on the board. My interpretation at least. The OP says Show nested quote +Puppets: The angels control some number of fake people on the board. Anything that happens to this person happens to the angel as well.
In addition, there are a number of Angels on the board that have not awakened. These are simply statues that are not controlled by anyone and have no powers
The way I interpret this is as follows: There are 9 players, 3 puppets, 3 angels and ? statues on the board. The players and puppets are shown, the angels and statues are not. It doesn't really make sense any other way.
Do the 12 letters represent 9 townies and 3 puppets or 9 townies and 3 weeping angels?
Also, I don't see any merits in making plans on how to move the people tomorrow. We try to figure out who is who on the board, then we work from there on the next day. Until then we hopefully also have a better picture on who is scum and who's town.
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On May 15 2013 06:51 Vivax wrote:
You also have to factor in that multiple players could have the same MS.
In the OP there's no mentioning of the angel's knowledge about other player's movement speed, cause if they don't know it, it might not be the smartest idea to claim it.
Do Angels know the players' movement speeds?
On May 15 2013 06:55 GreYMisT wrote:
Its Possible
Okay!
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On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?
If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us. But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though. My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason. ##Vote: Vivax
This post is bad. If you would have taken a minute to go through Vivax' filter (which was like 6 posts at that point) you would have seen that your whole second paragraph is wrong.
So, with this out of the way, do you still think Vivax is scum? Is there anyone else your suspicious of?
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On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.
I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.
I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread
Why are you posting this exactly? Why are you softdefending ghost?
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On May 16 2013 05:53 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 05:47 phagga wrote:On May 16 2013 05:46 Zephirdd wrote:
I can see where ghost comes from the whole "lynch marv past day 3" just because marv is usually a target for normal KP more than any other player.
I am willing to believe ghost just didnt have the chance to scumhunt. Both of his posts were close together and at a time where nobody was saying anything but setup stuff. It is as weird as fferlerl;yret posts; So I want to see what he has to say tonight.
I also want to stop jumping happily into voting people like I did to vivax. lol.
i also totally forgot about the vote thread Why are you posting this exactly? Why are you softdefending ghost? because that's similar to other ghost posts from games months ago. I don't know if he changed, but I do remember that he is limited in time for posting.
fair enough. I have ghost in the back of my mind, but I'm more interested in Sentinel currently. I hope he returns to the thread soon and tells us a bit more about his scumreads.
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On May 15 2013 11:44 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys, just got home. Bunch of random things in no particular order:
1. My activity's going to suck for a bit. I'll have about 2 hours tomorrow where I'm on the bus (potentially up to 4), I can't guarantee I'll post during that time because I hate phone posting, but I'll at least be giving the game some thought. I won't be back until about 10 PM EST, and I work the day after at 3 PM, so that's when you're going to get the most activity out of me.
This is way too confusing for me to understand when you'll be around and when not, but you have been gone for 30 hours. Who do you want to lynch and why?
On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game.
His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense.
He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game.
No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows.
Where does Oats troll? And how is he playing for scum?
@Almost everyone, Start using the voting thread!
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On May 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 18:34 Vivax wrote:On May 16 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 17:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hey all. Sorry I've been completely inactive. I have one more final tomorrow and then I'm out for the summer. I've been keeping up as best I can, but I don't have any particularly convinced reads at the moment. I have a few people I'm averse to lynching, but that's about it.
I don't have any unique insight to add. I'm not really ready to place a vote, and I don't feel like I've seen anything I could point at and say, "Yes, I find this scummy." My D1 vote is probably going to the person who I have least reason to believe is town, but I won't be able to actively participate and figure out who that is until I'm done with my last exam in a few hours.
Oh, as for mechanics, etc. I'm down with the "reveal our movements shortly before the daypost" plan. It definitely seems best to at least find where we all are on the map, try to decrease the information advantage of the angels. WHY WOULD YOU POST?/????????? god. Why? To not get modkilled maybe. Do you think that post looks scummy? yes. 13 pages. And he has no reads. Like where is the town motivation for posting this post? It does not help town at all. At all. So he says he has reads. But oh man I dont really wanna share them cause they are MINE, MINE!!!!!!. Also he overexplains his acceptance of the obviously great plan.
On May 16 2013 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 16 2013 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 00:20 deconduo wrote:On May 16 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I hate plans. Plans suck.
How about for day 1. EVERYONE JUST CHOOSES RANDOM ACTIONS AND DIRECTIONS???????.
zeph and deconduo have only been talking about setup. Only. Hmm. Easy to do as scum.
Zeph, do you have reads?
Deconduo, do you have reads? Nothing yet, but its only just started. Also this is far from your normal game, so figuring out the setup is pretty damn important. Same with plans, if we can't figure out who is who, we are just moving randomly around the board and we will lose very quickly. plan is. everyone claims their 3 things, direction/number of spaces moved/looking where. K. Moving on. Why no reads boyo? Why don't you give your own, before asking other people for theirs? cause thats how I roll. Also read above. I dont like how its quite far into the game and dudes are still discussing plans. Also you. Why did you say that you didnt like mechanics, but still didnt scumhunt?
I hope you see the irony.
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On May 16 2013 19:58 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2013 19:38 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 18:34 Vivax wrote:On May 16 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 17:16 mkfuba07 wrote:
Hey all. Sorry I've been completely inactive. I have one more final tomorrow and then I'm out for the summer. I've been keeping up as best I can, but I don't have any particularly convinced reads at the moment. I have a few people I'm averse to lynching, but that's about it.
I don't have any unique insight to add. I'm not really ready to place a vote, and I don't feel like I've seen anything I could point at and say, "Yes, I find this scummy." My D1 vote is probably going to the person who I have least reason to believe is town, but I won't be able to actively participate and figure out who that is until I'm done with my last exam in a few hours.
Oh, as for mechanics, etc. I'm down with the "reveal our movements shortly before the daypost" plan. It definitely seems best to at least find where we all are on the map, try to decrease the information advantage of the angels. WHY WOULD YOU POST?/????????? god. Why? To not get modkilled maybe. Do you think that post looks scummy? yes. 13 pages. And he has no reads. Like where is the town motivation for posting this post? It does not help town at all. At all. So he says he has reads. But oh man I dont really wanna share them cause they are MINE, MINE!!!!!!. Also he overexplains his acceptance of the obviously great plan. Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:On May 16 2013 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On May 16 2013 00:20 deconduo wrote:On May 16 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I hate plans. Plans suck.
How about for day 1. EVERYONE JUST CHOOSES RANDOM ACTIONS AND DIRECTIONS???????.
zeph and deconduo have only been talking about setup. Only. Hmm. Easy to do as scum.
Zeph, do you have reads?
Deconduo, do you have reads? Nothing yet, but its only just started. Also this is far from your normal game, so figuring out the setup is pretty damn important. Same with plans, if we can't figure out who is who, we are just moving randomly around the board and we will lose very quickly. plan is. everyone claims their 3 things, direction/number of spaces moved/looking where. K. Moving on. Why no reads boyo? Why don't you give your own, before asking other people for theirs? cause thats how I roll. Also read above. I dont like how its quite far into the game and dudes are still discussing plans. Also you. Why did you say that you didnt like mechanics, but still didnt scumhunt? I hope you see the irony. Two questions: - What's your read on Oats - What do you think of Sentinel's latest posting?
I'm leaning town on Oats. General behaviour fits with what I saw in Nomination. He asks a lot of questions, although he seldom shows if he actually draws any conclusions from the answer. Still, he seems interested in figuring people out.
Sentinels last posting is very minimal. It feels he felt the pressure building up, so he throws something out there to get some pressure of. BUT, the point about ghost is insightfull, and the fact that he unvotes you after ghost's vote also rather speaks for him, as if he was scum (and ghost town) he probably would have rather hoped to further push you.
Now, could you please answer my questions here?
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On May 16 2013 02:33 fferyllt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 01:39 Zephirdd wrote:
The other useless dudes actually attempted to discuss something. Fferllt said a lot of words with no meaning or whatsoever. His latest post - questioning sentinel's whiteknighting - is probably all the substance he has made this game.
Whats your take on sentinel and deconduo? I've given two reads so far. I'm reading all the gridboard strategy and tactics discussion but aside from deciding what I will do night 1, I probably won't contribute much until we have some data to go with the theory. I still think you are town. Phagga appears a little followy re your scum read on me. I don't have the meta to say whether that is typical of his game, but it pushes him a little below null in my subjective list. marvelousity's reactions to FoSes looks townish, but once again I lack the meta to make that a solid town read. he's on the town side of null atm. Sentinel's pretty far south of null. I have a strong allergy to being WK'd by someone who knows zip about my game when the objective data says "not townish". deconduo hasn't made an impression either way yet.
This is another example of a minimal effort after feeling pressure. He points out his townread on Zephirdd (which is worthless since he gives no reasoning), than makes two wishy-washy statement on me and marv, and finally some accusations on Sentinel without a vote. And as a reminder, that's the only real content he has posted so far.
##Vote: fferyllt
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On May 16 2013 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
BH, you backing off the idea of Sentinel mafia and preferring Vivax? I'm still struggling to get over that early fferyltt thing to be honest.
What exactly is troubling you about fferyltt?
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On May 16 2013 21:01 Vivax wrote:
@ Phagga
I feel he was needlessly antagonistic, and he didn't seem interested in setup discussion. He is more cooperative now though.
But HOW does his playstyle help mafia? And I never thought he was not interested in setup discussion, he just thought we are overdoing it / making useless plans. After all he seems to agree with the general plan of claiming movements to figure out who is who on the board.
Also, have you ever played with Oats before?
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On May 16 2013 21:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 21:20 phagga wrote:On May 16 2013 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
BH, you backing off the idea of Sentinel mafia and preferring Vivax? I'm still struggling to get over that early fferyltt thing to be honest. What exactly is troubling you about fferyltt? I mean Sentinel's extremely odd posting towards ferry's opening post, the 'over-eager' and 'honest mistake' stuff. It's just SO weird. And I'm calling him ferry or something from now on, fuck writing that username out. Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 21:20 Vivax wrote:
Marv, could you answer your own question now? I'm still ok with my vote on ghost for now, but I'm not very sure about it. There's like a whole load of outstanding situations that require people to post more really.
So you are troubled about Sentinels post / Sentinel, but not about fferyltt?
Could I interest you in a vote on fferyltt?
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Vivax, Oats, what do you guys think of fferyltt?
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