Carnival Cruise Mafia - Page 13

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 00:58 GMT

#1989

On May 23 2013 09:13 shirokami wrote:
fuck you kush, are you scum?

That's not scum hunting, that's being mad. I already saved your life by moving you to the end of the list and this is how you repay me? THIS IS HOW YOU REPAY ME?!

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:01 GMT

#1990

On May 23 2013 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jesus Christ guys. Honestly it may be best if you guys lynch me if we reach a point where we're ahead - especially if we're just going to fast-hammer stuff; I simply don't have time to keep up

Better to clear me from the pool once we reach that point than have me alive at LYLO.

I was very wrong about both BH and slOosh, so I'm paranoid that I'm wrong about prplhz and he's actually town. Outside possibility given his play, but frankly I'm questioning everything given my strongest townreads (aside from OO) keep flipping scum XD

I'm going to see who I think is the best lynch tomorrow and I'll get back with you guys (I promise this time).

On May 23 2013 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
OO SWEAR TO ME THAT YOU'RE NOT SCUM!!

SWEAR IT!!!!

I swear it on the precious, dude. O'Doyle Rules. If you think I have it in me to have a longer filter than you as mafia you are so sadly mistaken and I will take that as the highest form of flattery.

Tick tock, better read up on Prplhz, if you think he's potentially town, show me why, because he's next and if it's not him, it's SNB.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:13 GMT

#1991

On May 23 2013 08:36 kushm4sta wrote:
Listen if I die today NO BODY better deviate from the list.
I don't care how convincing some of these scummy fucks are. These are 100% the scumteam and you better vote them all and never be convinced otherwise. I will quit mafia forever if I'm wrong. And to the two people they decide not to nk, I swear to jesus if you don't lynch through this list I will hate you literally forever.

shirukami
snb
prplz

On May 23 2013 09:08 kushm4sta wrote:
obviousone you are a mafia genius for checking what's his name d1. I appologize for your near hammer day1. For some reason scum chose to save you and that was their undoing . I love you. It's very sad that you are going to die. You are going to die actually because you are confirmed town now. Rest in peace sweet prince.

This is really strange and incongruent thinking. One moment you're fearing for your life from NK, the next you're telling me I'm confirmed town and that I will die next. It's bothering me quite a lot for some reason.

Also you don't need to panic, we have more than a day of night phase, so it's best if you can organize everything for the town in case I'm somehow mafia and/or I don't die.

The idea I get from reading these two posts, back to back, is that either you wanted the first one to be ignored by attempting to bury it or you're just super excited and thinking night ends in 3 hours somehow. Either way, let's get your lynch list coordinated together your reasons summarized for each of the three so that everything is transparent from both of us.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:18 GMT

#1992

Just to add, the fact that NONE OF MY SCUM READS IS ATTEMPTING TO HELP ME FIND SCUM IS VERY TELLING YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GET DUNKED LOL

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:33 GMT

#1996

Thanks for the scum claim VE.

I'll break it down for you, the heretic, right before I dunk you tomorrow.

My power is watcher. I watch 1 person. I talked a lot about potential circumstances surrounding the miller claim from DP. One such possibility included a potential framer action. Regardless of whether not not DP died, I wanted to test my theory regarding him potentially being framed for cops to check him. The results were: he was killed. No cop checks, no framer usage, no protection, just death. By watching DP I potentially get a ton of information based on how much discussion n0 revolved around him and his claim. Sloosh made a parity cop claim and as such I knew he was bullshitting because NO INVESTOGATIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN ON DP. Outside of the claim, look at what sloosh said: he checked DP and then he checked me and got same AND HE DROPPED IT. Miller is red. Therefore I should have been red and he should have been on my testicles like pubic hair. The fact that you overlooked this is staggering. You're thinking like mafia and you should die for it.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:35 GMT

#1997

Like VE, if you're town you just lost us the game with this. Holy shit.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:37 GMT

#1999

HE BETTER FIX HIS SHIT

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:39 GMT

#2000

VE you just re-read the game. Find the quote where someone quotes Ace saying he doesn't let mafia send in night actions from eachother. I'm POSITIVE someone quoted it in this game.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:46 GMT

#2010

On May 23 2013 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm sure I did lose it for you. But I'm in it for TOWN'S victory, so I'm not worried about it much.

Look, I'm just going off what I see. I see slOosh make a horrible claim, I see you refute it with questionable facts (you were "testing a theory"? One that was in the thread for scum to see? OKAY BUD!) and I see a scum hammerer flip after you were at L-1 AND NOT HAMMERED.

WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO THINK OO? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IN THIS CASE?! IGNORE FACTS?!

Testing a theory just bought town a scum lynch and you're doubting me because it's convenient? No. Fake claims are convenient, counter-claims are a consequence.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:51 GMT

#2012

On May 23 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Then tell me why you think prplhz/SnB are scum. As thoroughly as you can, because I'm not seeing it dude and I think prplhz has been slated as "the mislynch" for a while from the looks of the game.

"Testing a theory" only bought town a scum lynch AS a matter of convenience OO. If you're town, then slOosh just HAPPENED to fake-claim that he checked DP - do you not see how I view that as "convenient"?

He HAD to fake claim that he checked DP, otherwise his parity case and the thinking he alleges behind it makes no sense. The problem is, he was so worried about the mechanics of the role he forgot how to explain it properly and outed himself doubly.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 01:52 GMT

#2013

I call it skillful use of my power role, you call it a convenient scum action. Hilarious.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 02:28 GMT

#2018

On May 17 2013 04:06 HiroPro wrote:

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On May 17 2013 03:59 strongandbig wrote:

On May 17 2013 03:31 HiroPro wrote:

On May 17 2013 03:20 strongandbig wrote:

On May 17 2013 00:04 Promethelax wrote:
I want to see this SnB/OO tiff play out. SnB, what do you think about the oats vote steal and what did occur if he is scum. I doubt a townie would use votesteal d1 since d1 wagons are a big part of how one analyses the game and taking away a vote from scum is awful.

Both OO and SnB want more from Shiro, don't we all.

SnB bringing up Chaoser is +1 in my book, where the hell is that guy? VE never followed up on me asking about him (though neither did I). VE, BH, prp and SnB (and maaaaybe hiro?)you guys have been around long enough to know Chaoser, I'd love some insight.

okay so this is the first thing that makes me really wonder about oatsmaster being scum. Let me break it down for you guys:
there are three possibilities here:

oatsmaster's vote was stolen by some terrible townie who should be shot
oatsmaster is scum
OO is scum

I consider the first of these options extremely unlikely; much less likely than either of the other two. First, votesteal is almost a useless power for townies; and it's very weird that someone would've used it D1.

So let's say that oats's vote was stolen by scum; why didn't they use it to hammer OO? If he's town, it's free KP for them. Conclusion: he's scum.

On the other hand, we have the case where oat's vote wasn't stolen by scum or town. Well, clearly his vote didn't count yesterday? If his vote wasn't stolen, then that would have to mean that his vote was canceled for some other reason. By far the most likely case where that happens is the case where he's scum - there's a clear scum motivation for having your vote not count. You can jump on your teammates' bandwagons all you want; you can ignore attacks on your voting record by just saying "oh my vote was stolen"; and it makes you look townie if you can persuade people that your vote was stolen by the scum team.

So, I think we have a pretty good choice here. Between OO and Oats, I think we have a scum.

there's nothing about the politician that says they have to be mafia. it's entirely possible that they're town - i can think of at least two games that I've played in with a town politician. second, the deadline is at such a unusual time that even if the politician was mafia and obviousone was town, they simply might not have been around to move it from me to obvious. then there are some people in this game who seem to believe that it's better to lynch someone that's town than to have a no-lynch on d1, a mafia politician like that might even think it's a good idea to leave a town player alive.

okay this then essay

(1) yes its possible that there is a town politician, its also unlikely. then, if the politician is town, its also unlikely that they would use their power on D1, since that pretty much only hurts town. two unlikely situations -> yes it's possible but i'm comfortable discounting it unless someone claims compulsive town politician or something.

(2) if mafia had a stolen vote, i think it's pretty likely that at least one of them would have been around for deadline, or that they would've sent a conditional pm to ace, or something. possible, but much less likely than that either oo or oats is scum.

(3) i talked about the mafia maybe wanting a no lynch thing above, i also think that's improbable.

you have to remember, we already have compelling reasons for thinking either or both of oo/oats are scum, the votesteal thing is just the icing on the cake

we'll see, but i'm not really convinced. also, ace would very likely not be ok with "(2)":

Show nested quote +

I finally found it and it was Hiro who brought it up. Pondering on this, also look who he was responding to. Interesting. Verrry interesting. SNB theoretically would not be aware of Ace's requirement that people must use their individual powers both as town and as mafia who hadn't tried it yet. This is another three-pipe problem. I'll see how I feel about it after absorbing it.

Link to source in Death Factory 2

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 03:04 GMT

#2020

Was a loose end that I started and finished. No worries. The plan is the plan. VE got me riled up a bit but I'm okay now. Time for some Warcraft or something.

25 hours

Tick tock, scummers

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 23 2013 08:05 GMT

#2027

On May 23 2013 17:03 kushm4sta wrote:
why

I ask myself that every time I read another Oats post.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 00:31 GMT

#2041

Well I mean it's true but yeah.

"Please don't kill me"

Proceed to do nothing whatsoever.

Thx Shiro

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 00:37 GMT

#2042

If you have any night actions you want verified before I die now is the time. Claim (in the hour before night ends) or keep it to yourself. Forever. That time is coming 2.5 hours. Get ready.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 00:51 GMT

#2047

VE remember my comment early in the game where we would have a cheesecake moment? That was my crumb TO YOU based on LXI (the interplay with mr cheesecake) that something was up. You wrote something like "am watching you" twice I figured you were claiming watcher. Nuh uh uh!

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 00:56 GMT

#2052

Shiro first IMO because he has done nothing with his reprieve. At least if prp and SNB go after they might supply us with entertainment. Kush really owned the shit out of the mafia team. I simply came to the same conclusion by elimination.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 00:58 GMT

#2054

Grush please

You are town's rock. You are starsenses. Shiro Prp SNB. Do not deviate.

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 24 2013 01:01 GMT

#2056

On May 24 2013 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I know but at least you're not all "BITCH WAHTEVER YOU SHEEP ME!"...shit just rubs me the wrong way.

But I agree with you - shiro has like no excuse. I'm interested in what SnB and prplhz have to say about it...should be quite telling.

Maybe they're going down silently or maybe one isn't actually mafia. The problem is they have had DAYS to show me the error of my ways and they have used it to cast doubt on ME.

Useless.

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