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On April 14 2013 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
And we want a nuke to be shot down. It not only confirms the person who fired the anti-nuke, but to a lesser degree the person targeted by the nuke. While mafia knows this, they may still gamble that there is no anti-nuker.
This seems a bit of a stretch, no?
~marv
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On April 14 2013 06:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 06:50 FiveTouch wrote:On April 14 2013 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
And we want a nuke to be shot down. It not only confirms the person who fired the anti-nuke, but to a lesser degree the person targeted by the nuke. While mafia knows this, they may still gamble that there is no anti-nuker. This seems a bit of a stretch, no? ~marv If no one claims shooting the nuke, not at all
Well yes, but that's another piece of the puzzle entirely.
~marv
P.S. s&b I don't really care, if you make me think you're not mafia I'll stop voting for you, it's a pretty simple process.
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Well, thank you Palmar.
That was surprisingly unhelpful and weird.
~marv
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On April 14 2013 11:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 06:36 FiveTouch wrote:
I would add that if the town nuke is outside of marv/VE, Palmar/DP, and sand/syllo, then it's actually extremely likely they'd be able to shoot tomorrow.
~marv Marv dear. I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist. Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town. As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1.
Catching up on the thread atm, came to this.
No, I wasn't actually implying that all those 3 are town (although I have tentative town reads on the 2 that aren't me), rather the fact that sand/syllo/palmar/dp/me/VE are reasonably likely night-kill targets if we're town. I was referring to... Palmar's? post about nuking Day 1 / the likelihood of being able to nuke day 2.
~marv
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On April 14 2013 17:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Actually rather explain your read on Touchey. Besides what I noted earlier, their activity has remained low and I don't like the comment about me having a 0% track record on him. It's a) not true (in chrono I was initially, but not in the end wrong about him) b) a claim mafia from my experience is more likely to make.
Er... can we have some, like, clarity on who is being called what? I had assumed I/VE were being referred to as "Touchey" and the like, but apparently this is referring to FondleMyButtocks. Cue me wasting my time to see if our filter contained anything to do with syllo's reads on me because that made no sense to me.
Anyways, rayn seems to be a pretty hot topic at the moment. I got a kinda townie feeling from him with his stupid/dumb read of being suspicious of VE's reaction to the 'nuke'. I pressed him on it a few times, and it felt like he was legitimately trying to explain it to me rather than just saying it for the sake of saying it, even though it's nonsense.
~marv
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Palmar, could you poke me when you're about please, I want to talk to you about who you want to lynch.
SLJ, I assume FMB is still your favoured target?
~marv
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On April 14 2013 20:13 raynmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 20:09 FiveTouch wrote:On April 14 2013 17:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Actually rather explain your read on Touchey. Besides what I noted earlier, their activity has remained low and I don't like the comment about me having a 0% track record on him. It's a) not true (in chrono I was initially, but not in the end wrong about him) b) a claim mafia from my experience is more likely to make. Er... can we have some, like, clarity on who is being called what? I had assumed I/VE were being referred to as "Touchey" and the like, but apparently this is referring to FondleMyButtocks. Cue me wasting my time to see if our filter contained anything to do with syllo's reads on me because that made no sense to me. Anyways, rayn seems to be a pretty hot topic at the moment. I got a kinda townie feeling from him with his stupid/dumb read of being suspicious of VE's reaction to the 'nuke'. I pressed him on it a few times, and it felt like he was legitimately trying to explain it to me rather than just saying it for the sake of saying it, even though it's nonsense. ~marv Thats not the point of DP's case and his reasoning on why he thinks im scummy. Why are you still living in the past? Comment on current ongoings, dont be like palmar please. What do you think of his random long post btw and the reads he expressed?
I don't give a shit about DP's case, I'm commenting on the feelings *I* have got from you so far. Now shoo.
~marv
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syllo, can you tell me what you make of this raynmaster / MockArmor dingdong?
~marv
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On April 14 2013 20:29 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It's a really annoying, pointless argument. They kind of seem invested in the argument, but it's a bit difficult to believe that they are arguing something of relevance.
So do you read anything alignment-wise out of it?
~marv
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He's not asking you to convince him he's mafia, he's asking you to talk about his read on him. Shutting him off won't help that very much. If he's town you're not giving him space to prove himself with dialogue with you.
You did the same "I'm not going to speak with you any more" last game on me and it was really irritating, because I was town.
~marv
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Hi guys. I'm about to start the unenviable task of filtering to try to find who I really want to lynch. Mostly the thread has been a blur of mysterious arguments to me.
Mockarmor/raynmaster - could you summarise in like 3-4 bulletpoints with 1 sentence explanations exactly why you think the other is mafia? Everything is so spread out, basically I just want to know what you both think you're seeing that I should be looking for. Ta.
~marv
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Reading MockArmor's filter was really difficult. Why does GK talk like some faux-aristocrat?
"who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore" ... "We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle."
I hope he doesn't talk like this in real life, or if he does, his friends punch him in the face for doing so. Has this really long pointless bout of questioning with rayn that leads absolutely nowhere, then WoC is mafia even though his questions on rayn were never satisfactorily answered. This seems weird to me.
But it's all so much of a mindfuck to me that I don't think I can be confident in any sort of read on him today. Might well be mafia, but meh.
~marv
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On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1.
Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no?
~marv
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On April 15 2013 01:03 John Matrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1. Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no? ~marv Not at all. I think I wrote a post on it somewhere in some post-game or something, or maybe I mentioned it in the video. Making associative tells based on information that you don't have is simply giving weapons to the mafia. I may be wrong on one or the other, maybe one is throwing the other in front of the bus, who knows? It's generally best to make reads based on people's own posts, not allow a third party to become part of your feeling towards another player. For example, I would in addition to those two be willing to lynch the Balrog and Vivax, so I'm clearly wrong on at least one read, since they cannot all be scum. I don't know which one of these I'm wrong on, so it'd be strictly stupid to discount anyone that one of these four players pushes. Hell, add in that DP is pretty convinced reynmaster is mafia, so that'd be 5 people whose targets we can't attack? Ridiculous.
Fair enough, I mainly mentioned it because you sound quite convinced that SLJ is mafia. It was possible how sure you were meant maybe you would make associative tells like that.
I've not gone back over FMB yet, one thing that worries me is that I know Prome generally has little time and phagga is *never* active on the weekends. Gonna want to find much more than inactivity I guess.
~marv
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On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.
Then you're pretty blind.
~marv
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Honestly I don't feel massively strongly about FMB either. One thing I didn't like in particular:
On April 14 2013 05:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:39 VIVAX420 wrote:
Fmb is scum. That balrog dude's inactivity is starting to look scummy too.
-vivax you haven't given a reason on why you think we're scum besides "bad case". Even if the case would be bad (i leave that up to prom to debate), you should be aware that townies can make bad cases too. So what exactly makes us scum?
phagga is basically pawning off responsibility for the case that their hydra made on to the other half of the hydra. I particularly don't like it because according to Prome, Vivax420 is phagga's main scumread as well, so he should be willing to defend the case on him. Not a peep though.
~marv
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I'm back. rayn you're gonna have to explain your suspicion of me. You say I panicked when Palmar shot off the nuke. I'd like to know why you think so, and why that indicates that I'm scum to you.
I'll tell you that the reason I said "Lynch them if that's real" was that anyone who insta-shoot a real nuke with no discussion is scummy as fuck. If we had gotten a host notification that the nuke was real, my vote would have INSTANTLY gone to JM, because by my estimation if Palmar/DP shot a nuke like that, it meant they were scum.
Now, I'm curious to know why you think I panicked when the shot went off, because I think I reacted fairly well considering I had an inherent fear of being insta-nuked anyway because Draz is in the game. XD But even if you think I panicked, why does that indicate that I'm scum? Would a townie who is told that a nuke is heading his way not "panic" as well? I just can't understand the reasoning for your assertions.
Oh, and I'm back bitches. Scum, panic because I'm not hungover.
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On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.
YOU GO TO HELL! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!!
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Please, by all means, everyone fuck off simultaneously the moment I return. -.-
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I didn't assume it was real, I said "Lynch them if that's real". That kinda explicitly indicates that I don't know if it's real or not. Explicitly. But you know, some people approach reading different ways.
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