• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:59
CEST 16:59
KST 23:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)6Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over2New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!38Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Announcement PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Which box art did your first copy of StarCraft 1 have? BW General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! XUN appreciation thread
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8094 users

Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition - Page 4

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 11:42 GMT
#492
On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote:
I agree with having everyone nuke themselves.
Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea.

JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra.

-kush


kush, please explain to me why you believe JM to be 95% town.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 12:40 GMT
#511
On April 13 2013 20:48 John Matrix wrote:
What marv asked, that's really strange.

Also gj marv, I was about to yell at VE for being bad/scum.


I ask because I'd like to know if he had his own thoughts on it and why, or if he was just piggybacking people.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 13:25 GMT
#518
Can you answer my question please kush?

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:09 GMT
#521
My vote on Palmar was based on the (perhaps foolhardy) belief that I can make Palmar contribute with pressure. I share the belief that he's most likely town based on mod-action, but I'm so fucking sick of him not doing shit on D1 and then DYING. He only does that shit because you shits let him. "Oh it's Palmar you know, whatever right?" No one wants to make him EARN the N1 shot, in spite of him soaking it up all the time.

Well I want him to earn that shit. He needs to stop being a useless fuck - especially now that he's confirmed town. Stop being a useless little shit Palmar.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:18 GMT
#523
I still think he looks scummy. He's done nothing to change that. But he's not a realistic lynch today, and frankly I don't even think I'd lynch him today anyway.

I'm interested in this Vivax thing that's going around. That thang has a high chance of being scum, I agree with Prom's points on them and some of the stuff mentioned I noticed as well (Syllo's thoughts on Kush saying "Ya dude Vivax totes scummy" and Prom mentioning Kush wanting to lynch over half the game) so I'm interested in where that goes.

Anyway I'm verboten from placing votes so all you get are my thoughts. I think Vivax scummy too.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:19 GMT
#526
Anyways, I've got a Bachelor Party to go to today. It's bound to be like...absorbing. So don't expect a whole lot from me today. Fair warning.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:20 GMT
#528
Palmar loves killing me. A real nuke by Palmar based on some kind of secret tell he has on me would not surprise me in the least if he's town, and a shot like that as scum wouldn't surprise me either.
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:31 GMT
#533
On April 13 2013 23:24 raynmaster wrote:
FiveTouch was that marv or VE answering to the nuke?

/rayn


As mentioned at the beginning of the game, I will be signing my posts. I imagine you can deduce the rest.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:38 GMT
#538
On April 13 2013 23:35 raynmaster wrote:
So if Palmar is town and VE was answering that post it makes FiveTouch's response even more suspicious in my eyes.

Here's another fact. If FT is town and JM is scum and actually has a nuke, who is to say they did not actually nuke and PM-cancel it instantly to look town to SLJ?

/rayn


I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking nonsense. Go back and read what SLJ said about the nuke and the host reaction, and realise that what you're saying is pretty likely to not be true.

Please also explain why it made VE's response 'even more suspicious' because I don't see anything of the sort. Looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing to me.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:47 GMT
#542
None of that makes any sense :/

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 14:57 GMT
#548
rayn, I want a properly explained answer of why this from VE:

On April 13 2013 08:50 FiveTouch wrote:
LOL

Lynch him if that's real.


makes you think he's scummier than if it were me, or indeed scummy at all. I want to know exactly why, so far you keep dancing around the subject and I can't understand your viewpoint at all.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 15:05 GMT
#554
How is what VE wrote any indication of panic in any way?

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 18:08 GMT
#606
On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.

Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:04 GMT
#659
On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things
like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well

dood is scum parbably


That's nice. I'd rather kill you instead though. How about that?

##Unvote
##Vote: NeutralSrvivingBalrog



On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
also phagga for someone with a name thats probably offensive to gay doods you sure chose a gay hydra name


it isn't offensive to gay doods in the slighest, never fear.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:07 GMT
#661
I'm ignoring you both until tomorrow. Unless you do something particularly horrendous.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:09 GMT
#663
Because I don't want to have to think too hard tonight. Killing NSB is easy because he's just come in piggybacking popular sentiment.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:18 GMT
#666
I will look tomorrow, I promise. I've had enough wine/beer tonight that looking at their filter at the moment isn't something I actually want to do.

~marv

P.S. less of the old please <3
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:32 GMT
#670
On April 14 2013 06:24 John Matrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one.


This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo).

The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke.

The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway.

Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility.

Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else.


There's some things I don't like about this, and things I disagree for other reasons. I don't feel confident at all that where my vote is 12 hours before the deadline is necessarily who I want to be killing. Probability is only 1/8 that the Nuke dude gets hit tonight, and results of a nuke tomorrow should be WAY more reliable.

Secondly, about the 9/3, 8/3 thing. I have specific insight on this; I spoke with Artanis after Hydra 1 and said that I found the hydra format pretty town favoured in general (by nature of townies having 2 heads to find mafia, whereas mafia have 2 heads who have to keep up a deception). That game was 7/2, and I suggested 8/3 to him as a better balance, indeed the balance we have here.

So I don't think it's right to say that 8/3 is 'mafia-favoured' because while that's true normally, in the instance of a hydra game the dynamics are different. so assuming that mafia don't have a nuke because 8/3 is nominally mafia-favoured I think is an incorrect way to approach the situation.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:36 GMT
#672
I would add that if the town nuke is outside of marv/VE, Palmar/DP, and sand/syllo, then it's actually extremely likely they'd be able to shoot tomorrow.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
April 13 2013 21:48 GMT
#677
Get rid of the clutter?

~marv
Artanis & marv
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #261
EmpressLilyy46
Liquipedia
GSL
11:00
2026 GSTL: Main Stage Day 4
IntoTheiNu 1168
CranKy Ducklings SOOP203
Rex34
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Maru 87
BRAT_OK 61
SHIN 54
Rex 34
herO (SOOP) 28
Zoun (SOOP) 24
Trap 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 41597
Shuttle 3312
Bisu 2760
EffOrt 659
BeSt 539
Light 521
Mini 455
Horang2 426
Larva 382
Soulkey 307
[ Show more ]
Rush 250
Snow 245
Stork 211
Hyuk 162
Dewaltoss 110
Sea.KH 82
Zeus 80
Leta 68
Mind 61
Pusan 56
ToSsGirL 33
soO 33
Barracks 28
Sexy 25
NotJumperer 24
Shine 21
Aegong 21
Terrorterran 19
Hm[arnc] 18
Sacsri 16
SilentControl 13
Rock 12
sorry 12
zelot 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
Gorgc5400
qojqva3476
Dendi1728
syndereN1165
Other Games
singsing1634
hiko904
B2W.Neo767
Lowko298
OGKoka 144
RotterdaM110
Pyrionflax109
ArmadaUGS58
Mew2King55
QueenE38
Trikslyr13
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV31
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile122
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis3531
• TFBlade785
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
9h 1m
Kung Fu Cup
20h 1m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 19h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
OSC
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.