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On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote:
I agree with having everyone nuke themselves.
Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea.
JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra.
-kush
kush, please explain to me why you believe JM to be 95% town.
~marv
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On April 13 2013 20:48 John Matrix wrote:
What marv asked, that's really strange.
Also gj marv, I was about to yell at VE for being bad/scum.
I ask because I'd like to know if he had his own thoughts on it and why, or if he was just piggybacking people.
~marv
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Can you answer my question please kush?
~marv
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My vote on Palmar was based on the (perhaps foolhardy) belief that I can make Palmar contribute with pressure. I share the belief that he's most likely town based on mod-action, but I'm so fucking sick of him not doing shit on D1 and then DYING. He only does that shit because you shits let him. "Oh it's Palmar you know, whatever right?" No one wants to make him EARN the N1 shot, in spite of him soaking it up all the time.
Well I want him to earn that shit. He needs to stop being a useless fuck - especially now that he's confirmed town. Stop being a useless little shit Palmar.
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I still think he looks scummy. He's done nothing to change that. But he's not a realistic lynch today, and frankly I don't even think I'd lynch him today anyway.
I'm interested in this Vivax thing that's going around. That thang has a high chance of being scum, I agree with Prom's points on them and some of the stuff mentioned I noticed as well (Syllo's thoughts on Kush saying "Ya dude Vivax totes scummy" and Prom mentioning Kush wanting to lynch over half the game) so I'm interested in where that goes.
Anyway I'm verboten from placing votes so all you get are my thoughts. I think Vivax scummy too.
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Anyways, I've got a Bachelor Party to go to today. It's bound to be like...absorbing. So don't expect a whole lot from me today. Fair warning.
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Palmar loves killing me. A real nuke by Palmar based on some kind of secret tell he has on me would not surprise me in the least if he's town, and a shot like that as scum wouldn't surprise me either.
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On April 13 2013 23:24 raynmaster wrote:
FiveTouch was that marv or VE answering to the nuke?
/rayn
As mentioned at the beginning of the game, I will be signing my posts. I imagine you can deduce the rest.
~marv
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On April 13 2013 23:35 raynmaster wrote:
So if Palmar is town and VE was answering that post it makes FiveTouch's response even more suspicious in my eyes.
Here's another fact. If FT is town and JM is scum and actually has a nuke, who is to say they did not actually nuke and PM-cancel it instantly to look town to SLJ?
/rayn
I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking nonsense. Go back and read what SLJ said about the nuke and the host reaction, and realise that what you're saying is pretty likely to not be true.
Please also explain why it made VE's response 'even more suspicious' because I don't see anything of the sort. Looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing to me.
~marv
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None of that makes any sense :/
~marv
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rayn, I want a properly explained answer of why this from VE:
On April 13 2013 08:50 FiveTouch wrote:
LOL
Lynch him if that's real.
makes you think he's scummier than if it were me, or indeed scummy at all. I want to know exactly why, so far you keep dancing around the subject and I can't understand your viewpoint at all.
~marv
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How is what VE wrote any indication of panic in any way?
~marv
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On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.
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On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things
like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well
dood is scum parbably
That's nice. I'd rather kill you instead though. How about that?
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##Vote: NeutralSrvivingBalrog
On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
also phagga for someone with a name thats probably offensive to gay doods you sure chose a gay hydra name
it isn't offensive to gay doods in the slighest, never fear.
~marv
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I'm ignoring you both until tomorrow. Unless you do something particularly horrendous.
~marv
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Because I don't want to have to think too hard tonight. Killing NSB is easy because he's just come in piggybacking popular sentiment.
~marv
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I will look tomorrow, I promise. I've had enough wine/beer tonight that looking at their filter at the moment isn't something I actually want to do.
~marv
P.S. less of the old please <3
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On April 14 2013 06:24 John Matrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:
How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo). The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke. The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway. Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility. Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else.
There's some things I don't like about this, and things I disagree for other reasons. I don't feel confident at all that where my vote is 12 hours before the deadline is necessarily who I want to be killing. Probability is only 1/8 that the Nuke dude gets hit tonight, and results of a nuke tomorrow should be WAY more reliable.
Secondly, about the 9/3, 8/3 thing. I have specific insight on this; I spoke with Artanis after Hydra 1 and said that I found the hydra format pretty town favoured in general (by nature of townies having 2 heads to find mafia, whereas mafia have 2 heads who have to keep up a deception). That game was 7/2, and I suggested 8/3 to him as a better balance, indeed the balance we have here.
So I don't think it's right to say that 8/3 is 'mafia-favoured' because while that's true normally, in the instance of a hydra game the dynamics are different. so assuming that mafia don't have a nuke because 8/3 is nominally mafia-favoured I think is an incorrect way to approach the situation.
~marv
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I would add that if the town nuke is outside of marv/VE, Palmar/DP, and sand/syllo, then it's actually extremely likely they'd be able to shoot tomorrow.
~marv
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Get rid of the clutter?
~marv
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