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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 17:56 GMT
#1881
On April 12 2013 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
talking about Elo like this is more evidence that your entire mentality is results-based.

winrate is not everything in a game like this, because there are so many factors that go into a game. You can't compare a win in one game to a win in another; it's the same reason people fuck up meta all the time. Games are not strictly comparable one to one.

There are plenty of worse players who get carried and plenty of better players who get brought down. Yes, winrates may correlate with skill, but not nearly as strongly in other team games, because the sample sizes are so small. Average games played is probably less than 10. Good luck getting anything statistically significant out of samples that small.

(for the record; I have 7 mafia games. You think you're gonna get anything useful out of those from an objective standpoint?)


how many times do i have to repeat that it wouldn't be an objective measure?

why are you taking it so seriously???
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 17:59:06
April 11 2013 17:58 GMT
#1882
On April 12 2013 02:56 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
talking about Elo like this is more evidence that your entire mentality is results-based.

winrate is not everything in a game like this, because there are so many factors that go into a game. You can't compare a win in one game to a win in another; it's the same reason people fuck up meta all the time. Games are not strictly comparable one to one.

There are plenty of worse players who get carried and plenty of better players who get brought down. Yes, winrates may correlate with skill, but not nearly as strongly in other team games, because the sample sizes are so small. Average games played is probably less than 10. Good luck getting anything statistically significant out of samples that small.

(for the record; I have 7 mafia games. You think you're gonna get anything useful out of those from an objective standpoint?)


how many times do i have to repeat that it wouldn't be an objective measure?

why are you taking it so seriously???


Then what's the point of it?

e: also I take it seriously because I think your whole mentality is toxic.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 17:59:27
April 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#1883
As I said when I first mentioned it, just curiosity for how it would look...

edit: and i guess curiosity for how well it measured future games (not well, i imagine)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
April 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#1884
its almost like a game is still going on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
April 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#1885
So this has absolutely nothing to do with the entire discussion about game balance?

I don't buy that.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 18:00 GMT
#1886
It came about because of the discussion on game balance, but nowhere did I even begin to suggest it should have anything to do with balancing games.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 11 2013 18:10 GMT
#1887
On April 12 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
its almost like a game is still going on.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 11 2013 18:22 GMT
#1888
On April 12 2013 03:10 DarthPunk wrote:
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On April 12 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
its almost like a game is still going on.



[image loading]
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#1889
On April 12 2013 03:22 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 03:10 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 12 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
its almost like a game is still going on.



[image loading]

Do you just spend all your time when you are getting mislynched finding funny gifs?
No gg, No skill.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 11 2013 18:37 GMT
#1890
pretty much
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 18:37 GMT
#1891
well why not, right?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 11 2013 18:39 GMT
#1892
err yea I really don't wanna know my ELO marv. Before this game I was 1-6 as town. Kinda embarrassing actually
1-0 as mafia though. Maybe I could give you some pointers on proper scumplay?


I really don't think you'd be able to come up with an objective measure of skill that is any better than winrate. And winrate isn't even that good. Maybe over a huge sample size it would tell you something meaningful. Like someone with a 70% winrate over 50 games has probably been doing more to help their team win than someone with a 30% winrate over the same number games. But it's just really difficult to objectively measure skill in TL mafia. For a lot of reasons.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 11 2013 18:42 GMT
#1893
I think I have over 30 games on TL over 6? years and I doubt my teams have won over 40% of the games. Too many variables to get a solid conclusion out of them.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 18:42 GMT
#1894
Can't argue with 100% as mafia. Teach me!

The sheer number of stats there are like your 1-6 town record would make ratings quite amusing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#1895
On April 12 2013 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
Can't argue with 100% as mafia. Teach me!

The sheer number of stats there are like your 1-6 town record would make ratings quite amusing.

I like that I'd be higher on that elo scale than scib just because I got carried to more wins and caused fewer losses.

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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 18:45 GMT
#1896
You could go into games dismissing his opinions entirely out of hand because your rating is 500 points above his which obviously means he's a scrub and you're a god and he should bow down before you immediately.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
April 11 2013 19:06 GMT
#1897
I haven't been reading much of this post game, but you all seem to be taking this ego theme a little far. No? The game is over, let down your guard and have a little fun.

Also: I like RNG its interesting
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 11 2013 19:07 GMT
#1898
I was trying to and then bugs took me all serious and called me toxic for no reason :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-11 19:16:04
April 11 2013 19:11 GMT
#1899
I have a 75% win rate as third party, and the one I lost was impossible to fucking win.

(I was a target for an assassin, but my win con was to be last man standing. on night 1 mafia shot me and the mafia godfather raged at me for lynching him and outed me in the thread).

but to be fair one of them was impossible to lose (I got lynched day 1 but won anyway with the host... yeah that's right, the host and I won the game. Town and mafia lost.)
Computer says mafia
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 11 2013 19:14 GMT
#1900
All this setup discussion makes me want to get into hosting. What's the procedure for becoming a cohost? Do I just post my resume in the active games thread?
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