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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 13:40 GMT
#856
Why don't you just answer my post?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 13:41 GMT
#857
This reminds me of last game Corazon screaming at me to call him mafia. It's so silly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 13:46 GMT
#859
Do you at least understand the perspective I've put forth in the post you won't reply to? Do you understand my grievances?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 13:58 GMT
#862
Alright. I'll tell you where I am. Before this conversation there were 3 options.

1. DP is reasonable town in his suspicions of me
2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me
3. DP is mafia

Where this last page has got me is this far.

1. DP is reasonable town in his suspicions of me
2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me
3. DP is mafia

I'd quite like to hear what iamp makes of it, he's usually pretty good at picking out these things.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 14:03 GMT
#865
No, that's not why at all. But you just beat that drum. Now go to bed.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 14:08 GMT
#866
To expand slightly, you could think I was mafia and still be reasonable about it. It's unreasonable because

1) you're voting for me on what is usually (in fact always, before this game) a towntell for me
2) you're voting for me for not explaining my sciberbia read, when I previously had
3) you're still voting for me despite me explaining very clearly and rationally how I went about the scib read, why I went about the scib read, and despite me trying to basically unsuccessfully engage you on my play, which you should know really quite well

These aren't reasonable actions, hence I scratched out 1.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 14:23 GMT
#868
I still don't get why, if you think the sciberbia case was a "piece of shit", you're fine with Palmar making it at all. But whatever. See you tomorrow I guess.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 14:29 GMT
#871
It was in my filter, you just weren't 'satisfied' with it. Not a lot I can do about that, really. I agreed with Palmar, sue me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 15:54 GMT
#881
On April 08 2013 00:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
vote someone now please marv.

Marv with no suspicions makes unhappy Oats.


The three people I'm currently looking at are Ace, prplhz, WoS.

I think WoS pre- all that stuff looked atrocious, and I need to work out what he did is enough to sway my opinion finally. It was enough to not make me not want to lynch him on the spot, but that's a different matter.

Ace never brings anything new to the table, basically followed someone on Oats, followed DP on me, wanted to kill Oats for being a 'distraction', said he'd voted WoS when he hadn't.

prplhz kinda seems like the key to this game. I think if I can solve prplhz then the game becomes much easier, so I'll be trying to do that today. Would help if prplhz came and engaged more too.

scib looks better pending on how we interact in the thread later
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 15:59 GMT
#886
On April 08 2013 00:56 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 08 2013 00:32 AxleGreaser wrote:
##Vote WaveOfShadow

Wave I have asked you questions here, about what happened when you got to L-1
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18221663

Please have look at them.


Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT?


based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon.
The questions are a ways back in the thread now.
I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap.

I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current.
This post ensures he knows I will be around.


He was in the TL Mafia forum today, but for whatever reason chose not to post here.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:00 GMT
#887
On April 08 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie?

Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team.



his willingness to actively engage with people
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:07 GMT
#890
On April 08 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
On April 08 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv, mind clueing me in on what you see in Scib that makes him townie?

Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team.



his willingness to actively engage with people


Did he do this in the scum game he played recently? YANM?


Not really, else I wouldn't be giving that out as a reason, eh?

for what it's worth, this is what I said about him in the obsQT of that game:

marvellosity posted

sciberbia's played pretty nicely.

only two things with his play:

1) he attacked wiggles early, but didn't vote him until much later (when he had to)
2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:26 GMT
#893
On April 08 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town

Yes I think prome told me this postgame.

What do you mean by disconnection? Like what characterizes it rather than connection? It seems to me somewhat subjective and nebulous


That's what constitutes reads. It's like I told you in Red Team that on the whole I found Palmar's posts sincere, which is why I didn't want to lynch him. But it's almost impossible to show you posts and tell you exactly why I find the posts sincere.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:28 GMT
#894
On April 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll be around now, I was around earlier today but I was out for a couple hours and apparently the 'active' times in this game are quite unlike many of the games I've been in so far. I think it's the ratio of UK/Aussie/Europe/whatever.

Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once.

Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such.

Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?'


I don't quite understand what you think the question is about your "claim". What claim? What did I say you lied about, other than when i said i wanted to lynch you because I found your first post really fake?

I don't have any particular thoughts on the kenpachi rule and as it's not particularly relevant, I'll leave it at that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:34 GMT
#896
On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:45 Ace wrote:
On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.


I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning.

However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote?


On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.

WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:

##vote: Oatsmaster


WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.


You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim.


Ah, yes for whatever reason I thought he was talking about some turn of events while you were on the chopping block, but he was talking about your original post somehow, which still confuses the fuck out of me (not your post, rather what he was getting at).
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:37 GMT
#899
Where are you going with this, WoS?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 16:40 GMT
#903
On April 08 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm curious as to what makes a town claim scummy exactly.


It depends on how the town claim is put across. Read my large-ish post when I voted you for why I found it (and still find it) scummy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 17:49 GMT
#941
On April 08 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:
On April 06 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:
On April 06 2013 19:33 Tunkeg wrote:
On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sciberbia

I think this is the direction I want to go in.


Could you at least give us some reasoning?


I already thought he didn't look very good, then I very much did not like his big post on Oats/Iamp. Maybe I'm insane here, but I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment.

Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing.


Alright. You don't realise this because I've kept my cards close to my chest so far this game, but I agree completely with everything you've said about the people I'm suspicious of. I agree about the big post on oats/iamp. He spent several paragraphs defending iamp when he only had one serious detractor at the time (DP) and I didn't find the push on Oats very reasonable either (maybe you can guess this from my reaction). Also agreed with the validation thing - talking about setup is fine, except he kinda didn't even really give an opinion, he was just fawning at you.

The problem I have is that what you picked out from WoS about his town-claim is exactly what I picked out (and incidentally made me feel much better about YOUR alignment). I find it bizarre as shit that you're the only one to mention it in those terms actually. Just to repeat for anyone who's not me & Palmar:

On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.


It felt disgusting to me, and I've not actually been able to stop thinking about it all game. It's been like the main thing in my head. Because it doesn't take very long, I went back and had a look at the opening of all WoS's games yesterday. He's always rolled town, and he's never mentioned his alignment in his opening post in any of the games he's played here so far. So in this game, he rolls town for the... 6th? time or so, and for some reason, in this game, he decides to tell us that he's town, and worse talks about feeling bad if he rolls mafia. I don't understand the mentality here at all if he's town. He's rolled town again as per usual, and for some reason this time decides to tell us that at some point he'll be shit as mafia? What?

I could write more about WoS and flesh out the case if it's really necessary. Suffice to say (and basically what Palmar/Tunkeg) have said, nothing he's said or done since has alleviated the feelings I got from this first post. I think he's a better lynch than sciberbia.

##Vote: WaveOfShadow


Haha wow Marv, I really expect better here from what I've heard of you. You REALLY see no town mentality behind this? How about the fact that I've played 5-6 (I forget) games now and in NONE of them I've been scum, and am therefore actually worried about the fact that when I do roll scum, I will let me team down because I'll suck?

Since you're using meta to make this argument against me, maybe you should look back into my previous games and see if that fits with my meta of being unsure of myself, speaking my mind, telling the truth, etc.

So many people always looking so much into what's not there. You'd think after seeing so many other people do it and fail all the time I'd learn this lesson myself when concocting mad conspiracy theories.

By all means though, if you think a townclaim on a whim is enough to get me lynched, go for it. You said you don't even remember why you unvoted me in the first place, right?



Right, so you're worried about when you rolled scum. Except, apparently, you didn't roll scum. So why even talk about it? What's the point? You didn't feel the need to talk about it in your previous 5 town games, and yet you receive your TOWN role here and say that you're worried about when you roll MAFIA, which isn't this game. Apparently. Sense it make not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 17:52 GMT
#943
On April 08 2013 02:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually....null on Tunkeg. I'd like to see more from him and the pressure on me seems genuine but I'm not really sure what the post about giving me an 'out' is about.


Actually he was extremely explicit, I don't know what you're confused about.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 17:54 GMT
#945
On April 08 2013 02:41 Ace wrote:
I've got you in Priority 1 right now. I don't know if you're just lazy or still fucking around like this isn't the time to get serious but a "lynch reyn" post is amongst a few others where you just show up and don't even comment on the current situation and say something useless. The only reason you won't get lynched, as you and I both know very well, is that these players hesitate to lynch "vets" and quickly throw town their town reads out leading to stagnation.


Rubbish, I will happily lynch Palmar in any game, but I've seen no reason to do so this game.
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