EPTOn April 08 2013 08:57 marvellosity wrote:
I'm offering you a supposed 1 for 1. Take it.
I'm offering you a supposed 1 for 1. Take it.
No, there is a possibility that you are both town and if that's the case it's like the retarded thing ever to do.
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No, there is a possibility that you are both town and if that's the case it's like the retarded thing ever to do. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:42 Palmar wrote: are you reading this conversation rayn? Marv is so butthurt that he didn't help lynch scum that he's yelling BUT I WAS RIGHT TOO BUT I WAS RIGHT TOO. It's hilarious and it makes marv town. What i am trying to say is that marv softly defended a confirmed scum with reasons that were absolutely crap. It may be that Ace is scum too, but that doesn't change the fact marv's notes on Axle were really really bad and i can't understand how anyone who is town could see Axle's behaviour that way. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=56#1116 | ||
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This is why in my opinion you look very bad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=58#1146 Your reasons for Axle not being mafia (of whatever you are trying to say there, i don't even get it) are really horrible. His voting behaviour regarding scib/WoS was not a townie behaviour, and you quote some random posts that "you like" with no further explanations. I don't care if i look worse or better than anyone. And you still failed to explain why prplhz looks better than me. I don't like Tunkeg/prplhz either. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Both Palmar and iamp think I look clearly town, they can't both be my scumbuddies, right? ^^ I don't think iamp thinks you look very town. And Palmar seeing you as town has nothing to do with who your scumbuddies are if you are scum. Townies see scum as town quite often. And you are clearly not a bad scumplayers as far as i remember from the games i have followed. I can't understand why everone thinks Palmar is town because i am not just seeing it. Is it because he agreed with you on Ace? Or what, i just don't see it. What you think of that Tunkeg stuff I just posted? I don't think Tunkeg flip-flopped about no-lynch. His last comment could be also seen as frustration as his lynch was not going through. And i think he was pushing his lynch, people just didn't listen (many people were suspicious of WoS at that time and WoS was a leading candidate before people started voting for Ace). I don't know what that makes him. What i do not like is that he brought the no-lynch thing up in the first place, didn't so anything after that, and before that all he did was going after WoS. Palmar is right, btw, if I were mafia I'd never have made myself look bad over the Axle lynch. It's exactly the same thing that happened to me in Fruity, I looked really bad for opposing a yamato lynch Day 1 who flipped mafia, because I was pushing Vivax (mafia) instead. Shit happens. That's just WIFOM. If you are mafia this is just what you were supposed to do if Palmar is town. You just made a good friend who can't possibly think you would do that as mafia because of meta and shit. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. How is it a good alternative when you have called him not-likely-to-be mafia before and he hasn't posted since then? | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. You say this and then you call people like me mafia when i actually did put effort in killing Axle by voting for him and considering who is more likely to flip red of Ace/Axle. Palmar for example just "couldn't remember why Axle looked town" and just swithced his vote. What makes him look better than me? And what makes you say the bolded part, expecially when there is the red bolded part. You switching your vote would not make you look more town because of your earlier stance on Axle. I can see you not switching your vote as both town or mafia, i don't just understand why this makes you 100% town in peoples mind. | ||
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On April 08 2013 21:54 marvellosity wrote: Here's something I find interesting: Seems to clearly not want a no-lynch. His lynch isn't gaining traction so he leaves, leaving his vote uselessly parked on WoS, basically saying "i'm happy with a no-lynch". So you are saying he first was against no-lynch and then was okay with it when a couple of people switched to Ace? He had his vote on WoS who was another candidate at that time. Is his only option to switch to Ace? He already did push WoS lynch and then he went away. I don't think that's necessarily mafia behaviour. He could have genuinely gotten frustrated about his lynch gaining no more support, had no other candidate and just left his vote on the other candidate at that time. Why do you think he would say that last quote if he was mafia? Why not just leave and say nothing? | ||
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He had no interest in finding a good alternative lynch at all. This is something i agree with you on. But is it more likely that he is scum because of that, or town? Ace was gaining support at that time. If my scumbuddy was under fire i would try to do something about it (you think Ace is scum anyways). | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: Obviously scum care much less about arriving at a good lynch than town, I don't even understand how you're asking me that :/ If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? Why not try to push WoS harder? His reasons were solid enough to make a lot of people think WoS might be scum in the first place. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:28 marvellosity wrote: He pushed WoS plenty hard, but WoS was off the table. This is pretty clear from the thread. Use the # button on his final post before he went to bed, and scroll back a page or two. Palmar and I had recently voted for Ace, he was clearly a hot topic, but Tunkeg didn't see fit to even mention Ace. Yeah i read the couple of pages before Tunkeg went off. You and Palmar voting for Ace definitely is a thing that might make people to sheep you guys over Tunkeg especially when the tables are already turning in favor of Ace lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Ace Who do you want to lynch now and why? | ||
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This is the way i felt about your converstaion with Ace aswell on D1 end. I even talked about it with marv on N1. | ||
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On April 09 2013 22:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah of course. This means that something is wrong and I need to find out what it is, which kinda sucks as I'm a big fan of random killings. Ace did point a finger at Oats multiple times on day 1, so that lends some credence to that theory. I also need to go back and look at everyone from day 1. reyn still feels like the most likely guy to be on the bus wagon, and tunkeg does not look too good. I would like you to explain this. Also why did Axle not hammer WoS? Afaik he was here when WoS was @ L-1. | ||
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