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I will leave you with this. Lynch WoS. Why? - His entry into thread is just total bullshit. He claims town, he tries to engage in a meaningless discussion with sci about optimal townplay, and last and most important he votes for Ace in a horrible way. Two first parts of his post looks to me like he is just trying to be active, last part looks like he is trying to join a bandwagon with absolute crap reason. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace - He is softpushing a target that have mention him as one of his scumreads. He does this by trying to make other take stances on him, perhaps to make them be the wagonpushers? By the end it looks like rayn is his main target but he refuses to push for him, he sticks with Ace. Very strange to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks Oats. And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? - He proceeds to skip his entire attempted wagon on rayn and goes straight for prplhz. Again he attempts to get a wagon rolling, but ends up not voting for him after no one jumps on the wagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz. His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. On April 06 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Soft defense of Axle. Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. -His cop out retreat from voting Ace. Claiming his vote was half assed, and only there to produce pressure. But why on earth would he keep his vote on him for that long, and defending his stance on it, after all the pressure votes and joke votes had gone?? His excuse to why he voted Ace in the first place rubs me in the wrong way. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? - In the end he proceed to post more nothingness, and even some snide remarks about rayn. He have since been MIA, and haven't even come back to defend himself, even though by now USA should be waking up. This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. | ||
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He gives us some weak shit about how he don't like sci defending him, and comments on the retreat from Ace. He even says "I still don't like him but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever." Clearly contradicting him saying his vote on Ace was not the most serious. And more concerning he says he retracted his vote because it would make him look scummy!!?!?!?! Really, you base your actions and your votes on what makes you look scummy or not. Like really? Isn't there anyone else that gets a creepy feeling from sentences like that? + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second): I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever. As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this. Lynch away if you will. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? He also lists a bunch of townies, and pretty much lable everyone townies. It is not contributing at all, at least he should give us the courtesy of listing his scumreads, with reasoning. Not just randomly throw out a 2-3 names in the end. He is very close to lynch, he should make his reads available to us, not just do some halfassed like this. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me. I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him. Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? He throws in some random comment about his meta in his defense, when the case against him really don't mention meta at all. It is in the first quote I posted. Overall a very unconvincing defense. Consisting of contradictions and without any justifications of his actions. When people drops off his wagon he steps it up abit, going from defeated to a bit more agressive stance on prplhz. Nothing I wouldn't expect from a scum just escaping the noose. But the remaining posts he does before he goes to bed doesn't impress me. My vote stays on WoS, and I got no clue why all of you jumped ship as soon as he made just the tiniest attempt at defending himself. I think something is rotten in the state of Denmark... | ||
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Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it. The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines. To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons! | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm. That is interesting. What do you think of Tunkeg after his 'hammer' on WoS? Tunkeg, do you think its more likely that you are right, or that Marv/Palmar/Ace is wrong? What kind of silly question is this?? Of course I think it is more likely that I am right. If not I wouldn't be keeping my vote on WoS right? I know why I want to lynch WoS, I don't know why they don't (What is their agenda? Aren't they seeing what I am? Is there something they see that I don't, etc etc). I cannot play this game and follow others judgement over my own. | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:25 DarthPunk wrote: To me you are a bad townie. Perhaps to marv. I don't think the meta evidence of him defending you is enough. ESPECIALLY if it has been discussed previously. Sheeping is fine. Rewording a two sentence post buried in a vote for another person and not saying anything original and then refusing to discuss the reason for a vote where he doesn;t even MENTION the person he is voting for is not. Also most of the case against sciberbia was an association with WoS who he is now not voting for. About the WoS unvote; It was really obvious to all the good players that WoS was looking more and more townie. Marv would have got demolished if he had done anything BUT unvote at that point. simply because he should have known better. There are conventions after you play for a while were good players almost have to respond to certain things a certain way or they are claiming scum. Enlighten me, what exactly was it that WoS did that in your eyes made him look more and more townie? Also drop the bullshit with good players know that this is how it is, this is just a shit defense, where you take your opinion on something and make it out like that is the truth and anyone who isn't a retard should think the same. | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:39 Oatsmaster wrote: The word is sheep. Like how in the world are you seeing that WoS is scum after that? Its his first scum game if so, and I dont think he is that good. How good were you in your first scum game? I am no sheep. Sheeps should ask for the obsthread instead... Read my post, and you see why I think he is scum. There is nothing fancy in his defense. I have been close to being lynched day one in many games, and my post have been sincere and I have given the thread all that I got on everyone. His last posts are constructed so horrible bad, and gives the town nothing to build on if he dies. He just regurgitates the same names he have been talking about before with NO REASONING behind it. It is an attempt to wiggle his way out of a lynch without giving away anything. | ||
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He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!! Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:42 prplhz wrote: i'm here You have the vote on the right player. So help me push it! | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly. You will get lynched today if I have anything to say! And what kind of ludicriss silly defense is this??!?! You thought you could just sweep my aggression under the rug, and you thought you could ignore my request. Now here we are, and I will push you like a mad man. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno. Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar. DO IT! | ||
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Seems like I was dead wrong about WoS, him hammering his own teammate is not very likely. | ||
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That the deadline suddenly was set to the middle of the night here, and the fact that I can't stick around and play for more than a couple of hours at a time, and probably no more than 3-4 hours a day max, essentially gave me an hour and a half at max before I had to go to bed to do something. I was set on WoS for scum, and had that as my only option to a no-lynch. But yeah, lynch me or vig me or whatever, my read on WoS was clearly shit (or he is playing me like a fool with that hammer). | ||
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I will not just throw my vote on anyone to secure a lynch (if I have somewhat of a scumread, then yeah, but in this case no). I will not vote to please the rest of you, I will vote for my targets. The rest of you can go Baaaaaahahah Baahaahha, all you want. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:40 marvellosity wrote: Right, and that's the nub of it. The connection stuff isn't very relevant, they just happen to be the 2 people I think are mafia. I know we got our history, but I didn't think you considered me a complete retard. I would never ever in a million years leave the thread like that if Ace was my scumbuddy. If he was I would 100% leave an easy vote on him, to appear townie as fuck when he flipped scum. Or at least have pleased the rest of you by going with the flow, even though Ace didn't get lycnhed. You are free to call me Retardo from now on, if you truly believe that. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg, all I really want from you is a person/people you want to lynch and why, not for you to explain your actions. Well the way you guys misinterpret my actions I kind of had to. For who I want to lynch you will have to wait. Because I will need to rethink and reread stuff. Before the Axle lynch I'd probably say I would go for someone like Oats, prplhz or rayn. But now that Axle flipped red, and WoS hammered I need to reread. | ||
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