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jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
March 30 2013 07:35 GMT
#25
/in
Let's do this!
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 04 2013 16:33 GMT
#80
Another deadline at 3 AM... Guess I won't be active around the deadlines...
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 18:04:48
April 04 2013 18:04 GMT
#88
On April 05 2013 02:39 iamperfection wrote:
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On April 05 2013 01:33 jampidampi wrote:
Another deadline at 3 AM... Guess I won't be active around the deadlines...

that's the punishment for not living in America.

Or you could be like marv and not sleep.

Can I become as good as marv if I don't sleep? Please tell me if that is the secret to being good, would totally do that.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 04 2013 18:58 GMT
#93
On April 05 2013 03:42 Acrofales wrote:
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On April 05 2013 03:04 jampidampi wrote:
On April 05 2013 02:39 iamperfection wrote:
On April 05 2013 01:33 jampidampi wrote:
Another deadline at 3 AM... Guess I won't be active around the deadlines...

that's the punishment for not living in America.

Or you could be like marv and not sleep.

Can I become as good as marv if I don't sleep? Please tell me if that is the secret to being good, would totally do that.

Ah, the first question for the coaches.

Absolutely! All it takes to be as good as Marv is to stop sleeping ever again. Effects guaranteed after approximately 72 hours.

#neversleepagain
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 05:05 GMT
#153
On April 05 2013 12:57 Rainbows wrote:
I like you, Obzy.

In what way do you like Obzy?

On Rainbows vote on Saraf, I think it's Rainbows missinterpreting Sarafs post. When you are policy lynching, you are not finding scum. You're trying to get rid of something in the way people behave that benefits scum. Lurking makes you harder to read, since you won't posted your opinions on lynches/reads/cases/claims/flips. Scum can easily mask themselves as lurkers, so you lynch all lurkers so that scum can't do that. Spamming really hard makes the thread hard to read and hides important posts, so you lynch all spammers who don't actually contribute to scumhunting. Policy lynching isn't about finding scum, and I think you should accept the fact that the target might flip anything. But I'm against any policies whatsoever.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 05:20 GMT
#154
On April 05 2013 09:56 Moloch wrote:
You're just seeing what type of personality you can use to not be suspected, skinny guy!

People who don't say a lot and just stay low take a higher priority over people that say a lot. Especially early game. If the guys who talk a lot are good, they'll be better for the town than people who don't say much, and if they do happen to be non-fatties, there's a higher chance they'll slip up sooner or later. It's difficult to slip up when you don't say anything or don't have an opinion of your own.

So, in your situation probably C or D.

Moloch, in this post you calling Rainbows scum in a noncommital way (bolded by me). Do you think he is actually scummy for that post?

On April 05 2013 09:45 Rainbows wrote:
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On April 05 2013 09:33 Moloch wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.

##Unvote


Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.

--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.

If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best.


I'm fine with you telling everyone why you're doing everything. If you try to implement a policy that you want everyone in the game to follow it exactly, you'll probably get people complaining since not everyone wants the same thing.


My point. Keep in mind the following question isn't policy-based.

Let's say we have this one guy, super emotional, yelling at people, voting all over the place. Call him guy A. Guy B is cool, suave, making decent points here and there, voting is in line with his thinking. Guy C is hardcore lurking are barely here, but won't get modkilled because he votes. Guy D is kinda wimpy, and sheeps cases but is also hard to read.

Who do we lynch?

Rainbows, what is the purpose for this post? Why should we tell beforehand what kind of behaviour we see as scummy?

On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:
Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?

Saraf, does this mean you have interest in no-lynching?

jrkirby, where did you go? You where here and then popped back here just to make sure your vote was valid, but you didn't say anything of value. I want your opinions.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 05:38 GMT
#156
I think it's plurality lynch, based on the fact that the OP mentions vote ties and usually in majority lynch games the vote counts have a reminder of how many votes are needed for a lynch, but it would be nice to have an official answear, not one based just on my speculations.

By that way, you are voting Rainbows. What makes hi scummy?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 05:41 GMT
#157
Oh and nice delurk right when called out.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 05:54 GMT
#160
While Rainbows post does generate discussion, do you think it was a good way to start discussion? Telling scum what we see as scummy at the beginning of day 1 can't be good. It helps them hide. Rainbows could have for example have been more aggressive about the "don't talk policy thing". I'll my further thoughs on the matter if it seems necessary after Rainbows has responded.

jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 06:17 GMT
#167
Obzy. I assume you still want to ask me the question even if it is spoilered. I didn't a spesific policy in mind, I just think we should hunt scum rather than policy lynch.

Rainbows, if you are here, could you please answear? I want you to be active to get a better feel for your alingment, so that we don't knock on your door without good reasons.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 06:30 GMT
#172
Scum has an easy time giving out townreads, they know who are town. On the other scum have a hard time giving out scumreads, because they are either killing their comrades or they know they are wrong, which makes it hard for them to sound that they really believe the person is scum. You can give out townreads, but if you don't hunt scum I'm going to smack you a lot with the baton of justice.

Fishgle, does your post mean that you are going to sleep? Your posts so far have all been reagrding Rainbows. Any other opinions?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 06:31 GMT
#173
EBWOP: On the other hand
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 06:52 GMT
#180
On April 05 2013 15:42 nobodywonder wrote:
Hmm, just like everyone, I am puzzled by Rainbow's peculiar behavior.

Does Rainbows behaviour make him scum in your eyes?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 06:56 GMT
#182
Since it seems that Rainbows isn't online and answearing, do you think that he is scum Warent?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 07:08 GMT
#186
Warent, do you have opinions on someone not named Rainbows?
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 09:28 GMT
#189
No-ones here? I want interactions to analyse... Rainbows, when you come online you got some explaining to do. I'll be leaving now and will be back in 10 hours.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 05 2013 19:08 GMT
#219
Rainbows, are you here? You haven't answeared my questions here and here. I'm not sure about your alingment and answearing these questions would help me with that.

Warrent, your filter still doesn't give information what you think about anyone other than Rainbows. I'm sure you must have opinions on others.

TheRavenName, I wasn't calling Rainbows for policy lynching, I was interpreting Sarafs post for him.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 06 2013 05:00 GMT
#277
Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 06 2013 06:03 GMT
#289
##Vote: Rainbows
Rainbows is really scummy.

At the start, he had the opportunity to continue discussing what was being discussed, but instead he brings up this hypotetical question. Now what purpose does it serve? Scum could post this to know what kind of behaviour we find scummy. Town could post this to generate discussion. But I don't believe that. Rainbows had already got good discussion rolling about something that matters to town (policy). But instead he brings up something that can't benefit town. And there is no followup whatsoever.

Rainbows asked if Ravens was scum or VT. Blatant bluefishing. No scum would ever answear "Yes, I'm scum". If Ravens had claimed VT there, scum would know he isn't blue. Ravens may have in confusion softclaimed a powerrole there. I can't find any townie reasonin Rainbows would ask this question.

Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read.

Rainbows thinks he is the center of the thread and that he should be talked about.
On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:
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On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:
A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.


I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear.

##Vote Rainbow

As far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies.
Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie.

Saraf:
even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")


Rainbow:
I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town.


Rainbow:
Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.


Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this.

I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others.


You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things.
On April 06 2013 12:36 Rainbows wrote:
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On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:
K, just caught up.

I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies".

Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me.

##vote: jrkirby



First post of the day. Neglects to comment on my play which I find exceedingly odd. I was pretty much the entire thread at that point.
On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:
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On April 05 2013 15:53 Warent wrote:
Good morning,

First off all, my prime playing time will probably be when you US folks are sleeping and the other way around. So please keep in mind that it may sometimes take several hours before I can answer question and provide my view points.

We should try to find a middle ground between spam and lurking, obviously neither are good for town. But I rather we focus on posting when we have some new insight to provide, and thus help keep the thread atleast somewhat clean. Unessecary spam is just... spam. I fail to see how spam, confusion and weak claims are helping town.

This is what've noticed after reading this thread (and I'm not alone): In less than 8 hours, Rainbows has provided three different "cases".
The first one could be passed off as a joke.
The second, according to himself a "serious" vote based on not getting an answer quickly enough (?).
The third, and this time he really want to get a lynch going, based on nothing (or wierd reading skills).

I would like to hear Rainbows explanation.


A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.

[snip]

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:
glhf
Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?

On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.

##Unvote


Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.

--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.

If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best.


Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on:

In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread.


It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.

[snip]

I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic.
On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
He didn't do anything of use early game. He was around, but chose to do nothing useful. He barely even talked to me, and pretty much ignored events in the thread. His real 'entrance' post to the thread is here:
This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. He cares that people see him as town. He cares enough to make a point of being the center of discussion. Scum care for their image.

Here is another case of Rainbows caring about his image:
On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote
Nobodywonder

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:
Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it.

Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta.

Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend.

+ Show Spoiler +
As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more.


NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around.

I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy.
The only post which he brings up from nobodywonder is this one, where nobodywonder suspects Rainbows.


Rainbows is hellbent in his interpretating that Saraf called him town, even when multiple people have said that was not what Saraf intented to say. If Saraf is town, what Rainbow did was scummy, because he has more reasons to potentiaaly misslynch Saraf. If Saraf is scum, it's still scummy. Rainbows appears to put pressure on Saraf and if Saraf is ever on the chopping block, Rainbows can go "oh shit, my reasoning is really dump" and save him.
jampidampi
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland386 Posts
April 06 2013 06:16 GMT
#291
If you think I'm scum, provide some reasoning.
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