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Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:29 GMT
#805
You are riding your claim and using it as your out. Having consulted an outside source, 3 does not appear to be entirely out of the ordinary. Why are you so... confident that there are only two?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:32 GMT
#807
Whatever. Thinking logically, that fact makes it very unlikely - er - for you to be fakeclaiming. I just wish you had tried harder, earlier, to help town move in a proper direction, to participate in discussions, and to actually play the game with us instead of coasting by.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:42 GMT
#810
I'm sort of on the edge, fish, I assure you that I am town.

...Sigh. Rainbows is town, pretty much 100%.

Voting Ravens worries me given how fast the swing occurred, but he could be scum.

I have townreads on nobodywonders and Moloch, 100%. I think fish at least is acting somewhat rationally, I will be sad if he doesn't participate more.

Warent, JarJar, Ravens, Smancer. I suppose there are likely three scum in here. I include Smancer for chastising me for not panic-switching.

If Ravens is town, then we lose tomorrow guaranteed. We'd lynch kirby or Rain, almost certainly. The fact that the swing occurred in that direction - hm. But I had a townread on Smancer before this.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:43 GMT
#812
EBWOP. Rather, if Ravens was town and we had mislynched him, then tomorrow, we would lose 100%.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:44 GMT
#813
Oh. And gg kirby. Sorry.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#817
Well, we have time now. I think you've done excellently since coming back, personally. If you're scum go fuck yourself, of course, but - I guess you would've done excellently then, too lol :/

My guess atm is Smancer Jarjar Warent scumteam. We all know how much my guesses are worth, but there it is.

There is nothing that specifically states that either Rain or Ravens has to be scum. Somebody awhile back said it's likely that one of them was scum or something like that, maybe +jampi, I disagree, now. If there was going to be a last minute vote swing, it was going to be a swing onto Ravens. This worries me because we were so fucking out of control that I bet if I hadn't tried to get everyone back on kirby, Ravens would've gotten swarmed and killed. - -; Am I making sense so far?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:54 GMT
#819
Raven's vote on Rainbows does not make a tremendous amount of sense to me from a scum perspective, assuming he knows that Rainbows is town - because Rainbows would be the vigilante, then. It's making him stand out like an idiot, and I don't get why he would just tunnel Rainbows back. There's no reason that either Ravens or Rainbows has to be scum, unless they are objectively scummy. And I'm bad at detecting people that are objectively scummy, (unless I'm right on Warent hehe), so if people are looking for something to do, go look into that or something. By people, I mean people not named Smancer, Warent, or Jarjar because I won't take you seriously; sorry.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:54 GMT
#820
That's correct, fish.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 00:56 GMT
#821
If I'm wrong on one of smancer, Warent, or Jarjar, I would honestly suggest fish as the other member - but I'm bad, so take that with a shaker of salt.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 01:01 GMT
#823
I should hope so. I feel like I'm bound to be correct on two of them. Probably all three.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 01:15 GMT
#825
I sort of want people to trust me, and I sort of am okay with dying this night since I slacked at work today trying to help the thread so much. My will to play is sort of sapped, and I sort of feel like I'm just kinda bad. Most of all, I don't want people to waste their time thinking about me in scumteams just because I'm a retard who lynched townies twice.

I'm a Techie. (Doctor)

I'd jokingly say AMA but I don't want to be asked things, unless it's my opinion on people and how things are panning out.

If Rainbows was town, he would know that he was a proper vigilante, and there are two confirmed blues. Saying that there can't be three is flat-out-incorrect, obviously, and he wouldn't say it unless he believed it.

If Rainbows was scum, he would know by now there IS no proper vigilante, and there is no roleblocker - as there were no roleblocks claimed, or roleblockings claimed. So there is no roleblocker. As such, he KNOWS there is a doctor. Saying that there can't be three blues is absolute suicide if he fakeclaimed. He would KNOW there's another blue. So I feel like it's a fact that Rainbows is blue, and he only made that statement because he was so certain there were only two blues, as it was his past experience.

So that brings us to Ravens. Ravens has insanely tunneled Rain all game. Rain is a blue. (Fact) - If Ravens was scum, Ravens would absolutely know that Rain was blue. Warent's reasoning sucked (scum of course) - they totally would've left Rain alive, and wouldn't've killed him. I've explained this before and I won't again. Ask the coaches. So why would Ravens tunnel Rain if Rain was town? Pure insanity as scum. Bad play if town, but he's probably just paranoid because of Rain's behavior last game - in the whole, he doesn't want to lose to Rain being ridiculous again, way. So atm I think he's town too, under the effectively certain read that Rain is town.

Moloch and nobodywonder talked all day with kirby and I. I'm town, kirby's town - they're fucking town. End of discussion, that's my read.

Fish is town. Nobody else is even remotely skeptical of me.

That leaves only three people. QED.

I had been planning all game on OMGUSing the first person to vote for me, and I've picked up zero votes all game iirc so I never got the chance, and I won't tomorrow because I'm gonna die tonight almost 100%. If the scum, Smancer, Warent, and Jarjar leave me alive, then I'll be pushing them all day tomorrow. That would kinda be a pain in all likelihood for them -_-

Thoughts?

Sorry for being mean to everybody at various points throughout this game, I'm stressed, but it doesn't excuse my behavior. I apologize.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 01:38 GMT
#827
On April 10 2013 10:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I had a feeling when he was screaming for the town to "lynch JarJar tomorrow" it was gonna be bad. Sorry but I voted my read. I don't like how people are turning on me already since I think my reasoning was sound and obviously several people agreed with me.

Obzy, why would u claim right now? DOn't get that @ all.

On April 10 2013 10:15 Obzy wrote:
I sort of want people to trust me, and I sort of am okay with dying this night since I slacked at work today trying to help the thread so much. My will to play is sort of sapped, and I sort of feel like I'm just kinda bad. Most of all, I don't want people to waste their time thinking about me in scumteams just because I'm a retard who lynched townies twice.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 04:25 GMT
#828
Well, I took a refreshing 3 hour break and - no comments. That's cool :l I take it then that there is little argument with my targets? - -;; Is anybody even here to discuss, or are we back to afking nigh-entirely for the next 3 days until 4:30PM PST on Friday?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 04:33 GMT
#829
Specifically to try to help give a topic of conversation - My reads are largely townreads and the process of elimination. As of such, if there is any debate to be had on them other than happy agreement all around, I would like to see detailed scumcases against my townreads. I will not listen to Rainbows pushing Ravens, or vice-versa. If my three non-town-reads-aka-scum-reads would like to push each other, that's quite acceptable by me as well - after all, we can't lynch all three at once! Somebody has to be lynched first, and deciding who that is would be a reasonable thing to talk about, too.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 15:48 GMT
#836
Another wonderfully active night. Outstanding. I guess Warent is posting.
+ Show Spoiler +
I really, really hope I get shot tonight. If I don't, I might land a protect on somebody and the scumteam will require an additional mislynch to win, so they had better gift me this.


Warent, entirely hypothetically, what if in my -imaginary- -luck shot- -guess- scumteam prediction you were replaced with Rainbows?

And the number of blue roles, yes, is unknown to all players, but I feel it's a safe assumption that it's either 2 or 3, and we could all have safely assumed that at the beginning of the game.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 16:15 GMT
#837
oh, my -'s are supposed to be strikeouts. ebwop and such, used to writing on gmail chat i guess.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 17:47 GMT
#840
So then, to start things off tomorrow since I don't expect to be here, I'd like to propose a Jarjar lynch. The primary thing he did this game was push kirby. Other than that, he gave me and Rainbows townreads (okay), and Warent and Ravens scumreads (okay w/e). He's basically still lurking and hasn't pitched in to the major conversations. And nobody else is talking so fuck it I'll just quietly go insane for the next 6 hours before I ideally get executed and then can stop worrying about town 's lack of activity and just quietly watch games. Does anybody have any thoughts on a Jarjar lynch? Cases, if we specifically shouldn't, etc.

I see Ravens just posted - It definitely does, but really, I have no idea who's who. I could say "I think it's these 3" and then afk until I die, or I could at least TRY to promote thought. If he says his scum reads are similar to mine then (or vice-versa), it implies that he is accepting of Jarjar and Smancer lynches. Who would you remove from that equation to lynch Rain with, or would you change it up entirely?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 17:53 GMT
#841
Ravens, you posting at night would be a godsend for the game, + Show Spoiler +
not for me specifically because I rather want to die, but
if you were night killed instead of one of my townreads I would be rather thrilled and feel more confident. If Rainbows were night killed I'd be ecstatic. Anything that removes questionables from the equation is a positive thing for town.

Up until this point, you've seemed to be agreeing with Warent because he wants to kill Rain - and now you mention that his filter's short and he's been tunneling Rain only. Why has this not been a problem until I bring up questioning how he would react to killing Rain instead of himself?
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 18:13 GMT
#844
Interesting. How would you to propose to defend Jarjar, then? If Warent, Smancer, and Rain are scum, that is. Jarjar basically tunneled Kirby with a few extra reads; if he had been tunneling Rain futilely instead, I'd think they'd occupy a similar niche.

And I did some work for a bit and then re-imagined Rain winning as scum and my vision went red so despite my post yesterday I'm open to lynching Rain largely out of potential spite. Do you think that Smancer looks objectively scummy, or is it just that he has been pushing incorrect lynches? I'd identified him through process of elimination, he has been a very difficult read for me.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
Obzy
Profile Joined April 2009
United States525 Posts
April 10 2013 18:14 GMT
#846
Rather than identified - Ebwop - I'd decided that he was scum through yada yada. identified makes it sound like I have a very solid read, which is in fact untrue.
I have nothing to put here. Obzy#1821 on Bnet.
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