On April 10 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote:
Nobodywonder reads townie. He has a good case against me, it's well written,and he's been acting townie all game.

Smancer I'm not confident on. Sometimes I read his filter it seems town, somethimes it seems scum. More scum lately, but that's because Idon't agree with any of his votes, not because he hasn't reasons for them. I really wish he hadn't voted jampi, then I'd have a good townread on him.

Obzy - I hope he's town. If he's not, I really doubt we'll win. He reads town, acts town, and smells town.

Jarjar - obviosly I have scumread on him, because he's been tunneling me hard and hasn't posted substantive evidence against me.

Obzy

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April 09 2013 23:05 GMT

#705

The thing is, despite how I feel about you atm [uncertainty], kirby, it's because you're having rational discussion with me on the eve of being lynched. If you hadn't showed up, I wouldn't've batted an eye. Why couldn't you have said all this last night? =/ At the moment, I'm torn between going "Yeah... I feel uncomfortable, I should switch" and "That's fucking stupid, be logical not emotional, stay the course." Starting playing for real right now feels like it's too little too late. I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but I don't think I'm going to switch. Jarjar's play bothers me a bit, but... I'm not sure.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:17 GMT

#710

jrkirby, give us your read on Ravens please.

I have somebody I think I might vote for, will get my thoughts out in a moment. I think I may need to be dissuaded because this is crazy conspiracy shit heh. -_- Has to do with this though.
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On April 10 2013 02:05 Smancer wrote:
Rainbows,

Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...

I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.

Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.

So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.

Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.

See, here's what I'm thinking. Me, nobodywonder, and Moloch are town. Kirby's talking with us. I can't believe that scum would just let us grill him without any involvement at all. Jarjar is brought up as a read, nobody looks in and suddenly comments. It's an hour to lynch!

So who's missing, Rain and Ravens who have perpetually tunneled each other.

If we mislynch kirby(or anybody) today, I think we need to lynch Rain tomorrow because I hate the idea of losing outright to a fakeclaim, enough I'd throw the game for it.

If we lynch Rain tomorrow, then I'm not giving his thoughts on ravens a fair chance. Ravens hasn't showed up, his vote is still on Moloch and that read currently sucks because Moloch ahs been actively participating, Ravens has been around at lynch for the previous lynch and he isn't here now. I hate this, and honestly, if we lose, I want BOTH ravens and Rain to be lynched. If we're gonna mislynch today, I'd rather it be ravens than Kirby for the sake of my godamn sanity

##Unvote
##Vote TheRavensName

And if either of them show up, it puts ENORMOUS suspicion on them for being shitty town players for not showing up until now. Honestly ANY new entrants at this point; you suck. will post again in a sec gotta post this one first though

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:22 GMT

#712

Hi Jarjar! What do you think about lynching Ravens instead of kirby? I don't feel comfortable lynching kirby, even though I am likely being a damn fool and throwing the game cause of my feelings. Trusting and all that. Whatever. Setting aside my idiocy, I think you are playing similarly to your last game, and even though #fuckmeta, I don't want to jump onto you from kirby. The other active members right now, I won't vote for. So if I won't vote for any of them, might as find someone else, huh. -_-

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:23 GMT

#713

Hi fish, please catch up quickly. I'm sort of pleased you're voting yourself but sort of not - if you have your vote on yourself when the lynch happens, angry

But it's better than throwing out a shit vote with a bad read that makes me doubt you being town.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:28 GMT

#715

Rglrrlgr I'm so frustrated at this game right now

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:31 GMT

#719

##Unvote for a moment

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:36 GMT

#730

Rain, what is the purpose of asking for blues to claim? I do not see the townie motivation for doing so. If you are vig, then you will be lynched. If you are scum fakeclaiming, then you KNOW that there is going to be another blue, for a total of two.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:40 GMT

#741

You know what? I'm really fucking angry with you, Rain. Almost any circumstance where I lose involves me hypothetically trying to lynch you at LYLO. I feel like I tried really hard to save you throughout this game, I have stuck up for you, I've done my absolute best to keep you alive lol, and in the end, I'm just pissed and you show up 30 minutes before lynch to yell at Ravens. Jesus fucking christ.

I'm lynching you tomorrow unless kirby flips scum.

And if he flips scum, I'm only "Probably" lynching you tomorrow. Fuck.

##Vote jrkirby

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:44 GMT

#752

If I had a vig machine gun, there'd be blood and bodies ;D

Kirby, if you're town - sorry in advance. I feel like you tried at the end, but what I needed was you trying when you weren't on the chopping block.

Rain and Ravens, RGRLGLRGLRL.

I am going to do a very busy 15 minutes of work, then head home - I will be in the car when the deadline hits, and won't be able to respond immediately like last time where it was a happy weekend and I was spamming refresh.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:47 GMT

#755

And no, don't switch onto Ravens OR Rain. I hate them both but a last minute vote switch is stupid when it's because of high-flying emotions and not logical, rational discourse, especially in a newbie game. In my other newbie we pulled off scum within the last hour on day1 because we flew into a bloodrage. Stay the course - we decided on kirby rationally when we were calmly analyzing play. However mad I am right now (and it is not inconsiderable), a last minute vote switch invalidates all of our hard work today.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:47 GMT

#758

I accept responsibility for being wrong if we choose not to switch and we needed to switch, but - we have to play this logically.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:48 GMT

#764

No fuck you smancer get back on kirby if we honestly wanted to switch we would've done it at godamn 2PM not 10 minutes before deadline augh

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:53 GMT

#772

He should be blue, but he's a piece of shit for not being here when it wasn't crunch time! nobodywonder was a lurker and he came back! he's trustworthy! so is moloch! Why didn't rain!? Why didn't Ravens!?

Even if we're wrong we need to not jump to conclusions so hastily. We need to discuss things first. That's the point of the game.

Kirby, I do NOT intend to vote jarjars tomorrow if you flip green. Like seriously fuck that. It's one of the R's.

I'm AFK now. If you do something really stupid, you had better expect it to be a learning experience, whether or not it's successful. -_-

(This is a PM I got from Hapa back in November during coaching then.

Well last-minute vote swings rarely end well. They are usually very emotional and very easily directed by a reasonably active scumteam.

Lets not do a last-minute vote swing unless we are REALLY FUCKING NOT CONFIDENT ON KIRBY.)

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:54 GMT

#773

If it works though, damn the long-term 'it was a bad idea' - if we hit scum it's good. It's just a luck-shot.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 09 2013 23:54 GMT

#774

Afk. :l

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 10 2013 00:19 GMT

#796

whatever. fuck this game. i still can't believe how many of you guys popped out of the fucking woodworks in the last 30 minutes to an hour.

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 10 2013 00:22 GMT

#798

I'll preface this by saying I'm basically done. I think this could have all been avoided with more town involvement. I don't really know who's townie and who isn't, and I don't care anymore. I tried as hard as I could to act reasonably and rationally and felt bad about kirby a little while before snapping and voting other people and then quietly tried to take deep breaths and just go with what my logic had told me earlier and it didn't work. So I'm basically done. That said.

Rainbows, why do you think there are only two blues in this game?

Obzy

United States525 Posts

April 10 2013 00:24 GMT

#800

Like, ignore the truth. If you're scum fakeclaiming, then you know there's an additional blue and can be like "well i guess we have three now."

If you're town being ridiculous and a third claimed, what, you'd be like "oh. my bad /hurkkkk" and die.

What a stupid comment to make. Please explain it.