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JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 15 2013 20:25 GMT
#1101
On April 13 2013 09:20 Rainbows wrote:
I think moloch is town. NW is town warent is town. Raven is confirmed scum for that move he pulled.

So then like his next post he says he's gonna shoot warrent. Like I said, I just thought was just a dumb bluff that the mafia would never fall for.

So now, not only did they fall for it, but for some reason they decided not to shoot anyone?
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 15 2013 21:00 GMT
#1102
Man i must have a good scum repuation after that second newbie game of mine or something
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
April 15 2013 23:23 GMT
#1103
I don't expect people to switch off of me. But don't just follow rainbows blindly after this. I think there's a decent chance the scum made the crazy play of shooting one of their own. Nothing else makes sense about last night.

After I flip green, I really think that you guys should really consider killing rainbows tomorrow. Check his filter and see if it makes sense because I think it does.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 16 2013 00:00 GMT
#1104
Time's up! Night post coming shortly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 16 2013 00:08 GMT
#1105
Night 4

[image loading]
Revenge of the Fatties!


marvellosity looked outside the window of his office. All the people down there looked like ants. Worse still, they looked like a bunch of really fat ants. The state of affairs was unacceptable.

JarJarDrinks sauntered into the office, as summoned.

"You've let me down" said marvellosity, eyes narrowing. "Your objectives were clear, and yet you've done nothing. And I see the way you look at Brenda down the hall."

"I'm... I'm sorry sir" fumbled JarJarDrinks.

"Come look out this window" said marvellosity. "Tell me what you see."

JarJarDrinks walked nervously to the window. "Um... a bunch of people walking around?"

"NO!" shouted marvellosity. "A bunch of fat people waddling around! This marks your failure, you useless pile of poop."

With his well toned arms and chest, marvellosity shoved JarJarDrinks clean through the window.

"And for your failure, you shall be one with them" he sneered.

JarJarDrinks, Gym Bunny, was lynched!



You have just under 24 hours to get your night actions into ALL your hosts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
April 16 2013 00:50 GMT
#1106
Hooray!
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
April 16 2013 01:06 GMT
#1107
good job, town! ...so now lets kill the last mafia
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
April 16 2013 01:10 GMT
#1108
I'm lil' confused about the setup stuff, just want to make sure so I get good theorycraft
vigilant only has one shot, right?

also the last mafia has to be roleblocker, right?
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
April 16 2013 01:11 GMT
#1109
So, Smancer is definitely town. He was pushing for JJD yesterday. Warent is town, as both JJD and TRN committed to lynching him (and almost succeeded). Rainbows is town unless he's lying about vigi and decided to make the game harder for himself than needed by killing scum and *insert crazy conspiracy theory here* /crazy. That leaves NW and Fishgle. NW jumped off the Warent lynch while there was only Rainbows and JJD voting for him. He could have easily stayed and waited for TRN to switch without arousing too much suspicion, so I'm pretty sure NW is town.

The general impression I get from Fishgle is jumping on the anti-JJD bandwagon to built trust while trying to steer blame towards Warent. He hasn't done anything that makes him look innocent like everyone else has. Go go gadget lynch Fishgle?
Moloch
Profile Joined June 2008
Canada222 Posts
April 16 2013 01:11 GMT
#1110
On April 16 2013 10:10 nobodywonder wrote:
I'm lil' confused about the setup stuff, just want to make sure so I get good theorycraft
vigilant only has one shot, right?

also the last mafia has to be roleblocker, right?


Correct on both accounts.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 16 2013 01:13 GMT
#1111
On April 16 2013 10:10 nobodywonder wrote:
I'm lil' confused about the setup stuff, just want to make sure so I get good theorycraft
vigilant only has one shot, right?

also the last mafia has to be roleblocker, right?


Vigilantes are one-shot.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 16 2013 01:16 GMT
#1112
Just like to say 2 of my day 1 reads were correcr.

they were raven NW and jarjar...

lynch NW so i can be correct
if hw town lynch fishgle and win game. plz concede scum
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 16 2013 01:18 GMT
#1113
moloch is 100% town and so is smancer.

we have 2 lynches. scum cant run. concede.
Rainbows
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany1217 Posts
April 16 2013 01:19 GMT
#1114
yeah its likely fishgle... still 2/3 scum day 1 aint bad.
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
April 16 2013 01:29 GMT
#1115
thanks, Moloch,

yeah I feel your analysis is completely correct and in addition, I do feel that you are town and so I think that at the moment, I feel fishgle has been scummy, he hasn't cared too much.

Right now, I will post something that I wrote a while ago that explains why I made my decisions too, this was before the Warents switch to No lynch

-- remember: I did this before the No lynch --

[spoiler]Currently I think the scum team is likely Warent – Ravens -- Fishgle/JarJar. I hope to analyze their agenda and show how they are likely scum.
II feel Moloch, Rainbows are town, and I’m unsure of Fishgle and Jarjar right now.

As for Ravens, I feel that he has to be scum if Rainbows is rightfully town. He tunnels unusually hard on Rainbows, and voted Moloch on Day 2 for a while and then switched back to Rainbows. I think what is extremely alarming is that Raven completely 180 after being accused by Rainbows. Before that, on his first filter page, he seemed to contribute fairly nicely to the discussion. But after the accusation by Rainbows, Raven just reverse-tunneled on Rainbows based on meta, and blatantly did not participate in discussion of jrkirby and other lynch picks, besides a quick and short sheep on Moloch. Like always, Obzy tried to promote discussion and asked Ravens to provide other reads, but Ravens never got to it. I also just have the feeling that Ravens simply doesn’t care about who gets lynched.

+ Show Spoiler +

This remark I feel is rather weird too, somehow Raven distorts Jarjar’s post and uses it to attack Rainbows.

@Jarjar, it’s somewhat sad that as town, we never pressured him much and he has been given a free pass to lurk, more or less.

He has always been rather inactive in the game, only to post briefly in the thread to get a vote in. It’s also significant to note that he never contributed to the thread, besides tunneling jrkirby very hard. READ HIS FILTER. Most of his posts just focus on getting jrkirby. So it seems that his posts or lack thereof seem to suggest that he doesn’t care.

Also, he has always avoided Obzy’s calls to go through filters. I find especially alarming, since Jarjar had a town read on Obzy and should have followed him.

Although there is one weird thing, Jarjar does call out both Ravens, and Warent based on jrkirby and that Jarjar does have Ravens and Warent as his scumreads. I find it kinda weird that Jarjar would double bus but I assume it is pssible
@Jarjar, I’m curious who’s your last scum read then?

However at the same time, Ravens never seems to note the accusation from JarJar

On April 09 2013 22:33 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
So jkirbys defense was pretty weak just like I expected.

And looking @ Ravens last few posts, I think he may also be scum and trying to distance himself from kirbs. Here's his response to my case against kirby:
On April 09 2013 06:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Well, sense I wasn't asked for an opinion on this I will state it: Its enough to make me doubt my good read I had on JRK, but I feel if the main basis for this is Why did he vote for Jampi over You, the same lgoci can be applied to rainbows when he didn't vote for NW when he thought for sure he was scum because "He didn't feel like it.", enough that I will leave my vote on rainbows... which I should probably finalize.
##Vote: Rainbows
He's trying to make it seem like he isn't defending kirby by saying I'm making him doubt his read while @ the same time saying that I don't really have a good argument against him because of my main point. And he's trying to apply that same argument to rainbows even though it's not really similiar @ all. And kirbys defense of jampi while earlier naming him a suspect is the strongest point in my case against him, it's certainly not the only one.


Your right, it is a different arguement completly. Because looking back at it, JRK never said he thought Jampi was scum, just that his play style suggested it and he couldn't be sure he WASN'T scum; Which to be fair, most people tend to play blue like that, and as a cop it makes sense to focus on one person, check them at night, then either pile it on or swap to someone else. Mafia won't shoot you if they think they can convince people your at least a little bit scummy. So I feel like his read makes a lot of sense, looking back at it.



In this case, Ravens neglects Jarjar’s insinulation that he, Ravens is scum and focuses on something that I don’t really understand and seems to end up with no significance except spam. I don't know what this means, because Ravens looks more scummy and Jarjar perhaps less so.

On April 10 2013 02:39 Warent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2013 00:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On April 10 2013 00:21 Warent wrote:
Back from work, was in a meeting the whole day, couldn't do much. Sadly need to leave soon again but I'll back in a few hours.

I'll just say that I'm extremely curious how you get this into me twisting Rains words when that what was I was calling Rain out for.
Rainbow was right in that Saraf was basically saying that "we should lynch you whether you are scum or not". And it did seem like Saraf thought Rainbows was town even if he said the words "Even if you are" as opposed to "Probably are". That's just nitpicking words and harping on semantics.


It amazes me that you chooses to bring that bullshit up again.

For reference I put the original post in spoilers. Anyone capable of reading knows I'm right about this, shouldn't really be any need to discuss this further but you did just rose highly on my scum-read meter.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote:
glhf
Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals?

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:28 Rainbows wrote:
Okay enough guys.

##Unvote


Anyone who's here right now I want to give me their opinions on a statement.

--- I don't want to talk about policy. You can policy me this or policy me that, or raise me a lynch-all-liar policy, but I don't want to hear it. Your policy is your own. Enact it when you see fit, if at all. Don't spew it in the thread incessantly to act like you're contributing or it's the 'must-do' in a mafia game.

If you want to override this and go on with it, fine with me. Whatever you feel is best.


Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on:

In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread.



Reading through Kirbys filter he comes out very townie to me. The only "weird" post were he provided reads on everyone - but I believe that was a response to us asking him to elaborate further on his early "mystery" read. Other than that most of his actions makes sense from my perspective.

I'll re-read the case against Moloch and take a closer look at his filter.



again, Warent quotes the same quote regarding Jarjar’s accusations, but here Warent does seem to respond alright.

So if Jarjar isn't the last scum, then I feel it's either Fishgle or Smancer. Fishgle I can't get a complete read, since his filter is so short, but he feels kinda useless, since he only sheeped aboard and didn't do much else. As for Smancer, I like some of his posts, but other posts and his voting seems a lil scummy.

Last thing is if something I am wrong about the Warents, Raven + 1, then it must be JarJar - Rainbows + 1, but so far I feel like the Warents, Raven +1 is more likely...


anyways, this will be probably the last analysis

based on the most recent vote and stuff, Smancer has shown he is town, and then in my scumguide, it is fishgle so
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
nobodywonder
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States848 Posts
April 16 2013 01:37 GMT
#1116
sorry Rainbows, you were incorrect. but 2/3 is still pretty good.
i want nobody nobody but you! *clap* *clap*- wonder girls
Smancer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States379 Posts
April 16 2013 12:31 GMT
#1117
Oh man, I am so happy right now. Those first few days were rough.

Did that day end early? I thought days were 48 hours

I am going to go back and reread the thread. I will focus on interactions of JarJar and Ravens, and see if I can find clues.

ON that note Jarjar knows he is going to flip red. So what is the motivation of his last post:

On April 16 2013 08:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I don't expect people to switch off of me. But don't just follow rainbows blindly after this. I think there's a decent chance the scum made the crazy play of shooting one of their own. Nothing else makes sense about last night.

After I flip green, I really think that you guys should really consider killing rainbows tomorrow. Check his filter and see if it makes sense because I think it does.
A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 16 2013 12:40 GMT
#1118
Day was 48 hours.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 16 2013 13:53 GMT
#1119
On April 16 2013 10:11 Moloch wrote:
So, Smancer is definitely town. He was pushing for JJD yesterday. Warent is town, as both JJD and TRN committed to lynching him (and almost succeeded). Rainbows is town unless he's lying about vigi and decided to make the game harder for himself than needed by killing scum and *insert crazy conspiracy theory here* /crazy. That leaves NW and Fishgle. NW jumped off the Warent lynch while there was only Rainbows and JJD voting for him. He could have easily stayed and waited for TRN to switch without arousing too much suspicion, so I'm pretty sure NW is town.

The general impression I get from Fishgle is jumping on the anti-JJD bandwagon to built trust while trying to steer blame towards Warent. He hasn't done anything that makes him look innocent like everyone else has. Go go gadget lynch Fishgle?


Even I am having trouble to come up with more crazy conspiracies against Rain. I'll have to agree that Fishgle is best lynch candidate for tomorrow.

"More drones!"
Warent
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden205 Posts
April 16 2013 13:58 GMT
#1120
On April 16 2013 05:01 Smancer wrote:
@Warrent.

I don't understand A. Not to mention that we don't actually know for sure if Mafia has a rollblocker.

I think what you are saying is that Mafia thought Rainbows was gonig to kill a townie. So if two townies died last night (Warrent + Somone_else) then it would in fact confirm Rainbows claim. So If just one townie dies, we still aren't sure there is a vig?

C might make sense, but you are basing these cases on the assumption that Rain is Vigi. That would mean 4 Power roles on the town side.


Yeah, exactly with two kills townie+townie or townie+bad guy the claim would be confirmed. Period. But this way they leave some doubt, but it would have been much better for them to just RB and kill him. OR let him shot and kill him.

Well, maybe 4 power roles vs 2 makes sense..?
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