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On April 10 2013 07:54 Obzy wrote:
Moloch who would you want to vote for if not kirby? nobody do you have any insights or are you still convinced?
I'm not sure right now. I'm looking closer to TRN and JJD. TRN because I trust Rainbows more than anyone else at the moment, and JJD because I have a general bad feeling about him, but him almost being lynched yesterday makes me trust him slightly more. I'm going to briefly go over kirby's posting history first, though. All I've done with kirby is find flaws in people's arguments against him, which doesn't necessarily mean that I trust him.
It kind of feels like I've wasted time wrecking other people's arguments rather than building my own.
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I don't know. It felt like a good idea at the time. Like if everyone said exactly how likely they thought everyone else was to be scum it might help. But looking back the percentages just seem distracting and useless.
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Moloch: Why do you trust rainbows? I understand not thinking him scum, as I don't think he's scum either. But I don't think he's got good reads, and he's just tunneling TRN for not a very good reason.
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The thing is, despite how I feel about you atm [uncertainty], kirby, it's because you're having rational discussion with me on the eve of being lynched. If you hadn't showed up, I wouldn't've batted an eye. Why couldn't you have said all this last night? =/ At the moment, I'm torn between going "Yeah... I feel uncomfortable, I should switch" and "That's fucking stupid, be logical not emotional, stay the course." Starting playing for real right now feels like it's too little too late. I'm sorry if you turn out to be town, but I don't think I'm going to switch. Jarjar's play bothers me a bit, but... I'm not sure.
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at this pt, jrkirby, you need to give out the reads you can if you want to save your ass. if you just happen to be a newbie town, i need you to give all your reads before you get lynched. perhaps you illuminate some enlightening details and tell us your other townreads and scumreads.
also where the fuck is fishgle? he hasn't posted at all...or voted. makes me very suspicious of him. either bad townie or scum. im very concerned
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On April 10 2013 08:05 jrkirby wrote:
Moloch: Why do you trust rainbows? I understand not thinking him scum, as I don't think he's scum either. But I don't think he's got good reads, and he's just tunneling TRN for not a very good reason.
That came out wrong. I meant "I trust him more than anyone else" as in, I think there's less chance he's scum than anybody else. It's not really a positive, just less negative.
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Oh shit. Did anyone else realize I'm the only one who voted for Jarjar who's still alive? I didn't realize till this moment. I'm so alone.
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On April 10 2013 07:47 jrkirby wrote:
1) Jarjar has only ever said bad things about me and warent. He hasn't ever given his reads on everyone.
I gave reads on you, Warrent, Raven, Rainbows and Obzy. If actually have something to say about someone, I will. I wont just post a meaningless list of percentages.
2) Jarjar has lurked quite a bit, especially day 1 and night 1.
Can't argue there. This last weekend was rough for me and I just couldn't get online. What can I do?
3) He doesn't even seem to mind that we lynched the wrong dude day 1.
explain.
4) First, his case against me was me voting rainbows; I have already explained why this is weak: no one had much information at that point, and rainbows was my highest scumread, didn't last too long. The case was you voting rainbows while saying you thought he was just a bad townie. Big difference. When you say "his case against me was me voting rainbows" you're misrepresenting my case.
5) Then he hates me for my FOS on jampi which I never act upon. I never claimed it was particularly founded suspicion, just suspicion. Everyone has suspicions like this, it's just townies choose not to act on them until there's evidence. I just wanted people to know I was suspicious, and maybe bait a little scumslip if I was right.
Again you're misrepresenting what I said. I already said your FOS on jampi was fine. It was the defending him afterwards and the association case based on him turning town that you've since abandoned, I had a problem with.
6) Then he AFKs while we lynch jampi.
You already used this one. See #2.
7) Never takes his vote off me, and never votes anyone else.
You are scum. I have other scumreads. But none as strong as you. Why would I move my vote for one of my lesser reads. Especially when you have several votes on you?
8) Never defends himself, always on the offensive. Like maybe he has a couple scumbuddies to help him if things get too rough. (Maybe this one's a stretch)
Nobody has really made a case against me. I guess this counts so consider this post my defense.
9)he says: "Reading rainbows as town mostly but that's due in part to believing that you're scum. He's talking alot which I like." But has less pages than anyone else alive (I'm pretty sure). (Kinda same as 2) That was my read on Rainbows very early. Now I strongly read him as town for reasons having nothing to do w/ you.
10) He doesn't offer any insights as to why things happen, no logical posts saying why (for example) saraf was shot.
I might have more on him if he actually said anything significant. Pretty sure I specificly said I thought saraf was shot to make rainbows look bad.
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jrkirby, give us your read on Ravens please.
I have somebody I think I might vote for, will get my thoughts out in a moment. I think I may need to be dissuaded because this is crazy conspiracy shit heh. -_- Has to do with this though.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 10 2013 02:05 Smancer wrote:
Rainbows,
Crazy conspiracy theory incoming...
I think you might be right with Raven. One possible explanation I have could be he is voting for Moloch because he actually knows Moloch is scum and my case was good.
Then when we lynch scum tonight he can say he voted for Moloch, and why would he do that if he were scum.
So to recap he knows Moloch is scum. He knows that his case against you isn't building momentum. He thinks he can survive longer by sacrificing Moloch by using it as an argument upcoming in day 3.
Either way I think Raven and Moloch are scum now. I would lynch either. My vote is currently on Moloch.
See, here's what I'm thinking. Me, nobodywonder, and Moloch are town. Kirby's talking with us. I can't believe that scum would just let us grill him without any involvement at all. Jarjar is brought up as a read, nobody looks in and suddenly comments. It's an hour to lynch!
So who's missing, Rain and Ravens who have perpetually tunneled each other.
If we mislynch kirby(or anybody) today, I think we need to lynch Rain tomorrow because I hate the idea of losing outright to a fakeclaim, enough I'd throw the game for it.
If we lynch Rain tomorrow, then I'm not giving his thoughts on ravens a fair chance. Ravens hasn't showed up, his vote is still on Moloch and that read currently sucks because Moloch ahs been actively participating, Ravens has been around at lynch for the previous lynch and he isn't here now. I hate this, and honestly, if we lose, I want BOTH ravens and Rain to be lynched. If we're gonna mislynch today, I'd rather it be ravens than Kirby for the sake of my godamn sanity
##Unvote
##Vote TheRavensName
And if either of them show up, it puts ENORMOUS suspicion on them for being shitty town players for not showing up until now. Honestly ANY new entrants at this point; you suck. will post again in a sec gotta post this one first though
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oh god sorry. i've been in class all day.
##Vote: Fishgle
i'll try to catch up
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Hi Jarjar! What do you think about lynching Ravens instead of kirby? I don't feel comfortable lynching kirby, even though I am likely being a damn fool and throwing the game cause of my feelings. Trusting and all that. Whatever. Setting aside my idiocy, I think you are playing similarly to your last game, and even though #fuckmeta, I don't want to jump onto you from kirby. The other active members right now, I won't vote for. So if I won't vote for any of them, might as find someone else, huh. -_-
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Hi fish, please catch up quickly. I'm sort of pleased you're voting yourself but sort of not - if you have your vote on yourself when the lynch happens, angry  But it's better than throwing out a shit vote with a bad read that makes me doubt you being town.
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Alright guys, sorry I couldn't post this my laptop battery died during my break between classes and I had one class left so I couldn't use it till now. (I don't carry around a charger.)
For the Record: I won't be quoting all the questions people asked of rainbows he flat out ignored until heavily pressured, and then still mostly ignored, even though they are a part of my case, because there are simply too many of them.
Nor Will I bother to go actually find the quote of Lie/Misinterpretaiton 1: The whole damn incident where Rainbows misinterpretated what was being said and blew out of proportion. Weve beaten it to death, moving on.
On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy.
Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad.
Lie/Misinterpretation 2: How can I call him a dumb town and not give a read.
On April 06 2013 14:24 Rainbows wrote:
Just because someone calls you scum doesn't mean they are scum. Mafia 101.
Not playing by his own logic: Go and look at all of Rainbow's votes. Its really easy, they are all on the same people. All of his votes are on people who called him scummy. His ownly Scummy read he didn't vote was NW and Jarjar, but I guess they didn't call him scum.
On April 10 2013 01:59 Rainbows wrote:
Obzy. Raven is convinced I'm scum. BUT HE VOTES MOLOCH. Explain.
He did the same thing with NW, thinking he was scum but didn't vote him for not feeling like it.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 16:02 Rainbows wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensName
This is my last post.
Lie + Show Spoiler +
Lie 3: Basically that hes been posting useful content sense the start: Thats a huge lie, go look at his filter, most of it is one liners and bitching about how people want to lynch him and generic null read posts EXCEPT for what he posts on me (Which by the way, should count as evidence sense aparently me focusing on him is evidence against me when its all hes done sense his explosion.), Jarjar,(Who got like four lines and nothing sense), and the times he OMGUSed people.
I also want to put in Warant's analysis on reasons why Rainbow's claim might be bullshit, because I feel a similar way about it, I've brought it up a couple of times (before rainbow's calls this sheeping too. I'm just doing what he asked.) I would however like to add to it these couple of phrases:
On April 05 2013 13:04 Rainbows wrote:
I fakeclaimed as a troll move and it worked =|. Felt bad for town that game.
On April 06 2013 15:28 Rainbows wrote:
Dude I was blatantly trolling and being stupid... why the fuck would I do that if I'm scum
I don't know rainbows... why'd you do it last time?
[b]##Unvote[/b[
##Vote: Rainbows
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Rglrrlgr I'm so frustrated at this game right now
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FUCK YOU FISHGLE, dont do this shit, dont be krafla. oh god this is newbie mafia xxix all over again.
now im paranoid about a rainbows fakeclaim and a crazy ass conspiracy
shit and i also have class soon...
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I wish I were more confidant about ravens. There's only a couple things I don't like about him, that I've already mentioned. His confusion about day 1 lynch, and his fixation on rainbows.
You and smancer could be right about this crazy ravens-rainbows theory. I don't exaclt buy it, but along with warent's post against rainbows it might have a chance of being right.
I also don't like that ravens isn't here right now. And the fact that his vote is on moloch.
I think I would be ok lynching him, but I wish I were more confidant on him. I wish he looked as bad to me as jarjar did.
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On April 10 2013 08:26 TheRavensName wrote:Alright guys, sorry I couldn't post this my laptop battery died during my break between classes and I had one class left so I couldn't use it till now. (I don't carry around a charger.) For the Record: I won't be quoting all the questions people asked of rainbows he flat out ignored until heavily pressured, and then still mostly ignored, even though they are a part of my case, because there are simply too many of them. Nor Will I bother to go actually find the quote of Lie/Misinterpretaiton 1: The whole damn incident where Rainbows misinterpretated what was being said and blew out of proportion. Weve beaten it to death, moving on. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 12:12 Rainbows wrote:
I hate this defense of NW. "Oh he's just bad townie, we shouldn't lynch him even if he's really scummy" Spare me, Raven. That's bullshit reasoning and you know it. Town has no reason to defend NW right now; Scum does. Scum looks good if he's town and gets lynched, or if they're both scum it's protecting his buddy.
Note how he also never gives a read on NW, just calls him bad.
Lie/Misinterpretation 2: How can I call him a dumb town and not give a read. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 14:24 Rainbows wrote:
Just because someone calls you scum doesn't mean they are scum. Mafia 101. Not playing by his own logic: Go and look at all of Rainbow's votes. Its really easy, they are all on the same people. All of his votes are on people who called him scummy. His ownly Scummy read he didn't vote was NW and Jarjar, but I guess they didn't call him scum. Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 01:59 Rainbows wrote:
Obzy. Raven is convinced I'm scum. BUT HE VOTES MOLOCH. Explain. He did the same thing with NW, thinking he was scum but didn't vote him for not feeling like it. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 16:02 Rainbows wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheRavensName
This is my last post.
Lie + Show Spoiler +Lie 3: Basically that hes been posting useful content sense the start: Thats a huge lie, go look at his filter, most of it is one liners and bitching about how people want to lynch him and generic null read posts EXCEPT for what he posts on me (Which by the way, should count as evidence sense aparently me focusing on him is evidence against me when its all hes done sense his explosion.), Jarjar,(Who got like four lines and nothing sense), and the times he OMGUSed people. I also want to put in Warant's analysis on reasons why Rainbow's claim might be bullshit, because I feel a similar way about it, I've brought it up a couple of times (before rainbow's calls this sheeping too. I'm just doing what he asked.) I would however like to add to it these couple of phrases: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:04 Rainbows wrote:
I fakeclaimed as a troll move and it worked =|. Felt bad for town that game.
Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 15:28 Rainbows wrote:
Dude I was blatantly trolling and being stupid... why the fuck would I do that if I'm scum I don't know rainbows... why'd you do it last time? [b]##Unvote[/b[ ##Vote: Rainbows
EBWOP: I want to add one thing, a little behavioral analysis thing. Rainbows starts off pretty good during the first half of the day, then vanishes again for the second half, second time now hes done that. He also hasn't seemed really to pushing cases sense his claim, and he hasn't been getting flack for it like most people, so... why is no one consiering this when trying to figure out if his claim is real or not? Its worked so far if its fake.
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On April 10 2013 08:28 nobodywonder wrote:
FUCK YOU FISHGLE, dont do this shit, dont be krafla. oh god this is newbie mafia xxix all over again.
now im paranoid about a rainbows fakeclaim and a crazy ass conspiracy
shit and i also have class soon...
i'm sorry i don't want to make a baseless sheep vote. D:
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