Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 1

On March 26 2013 08:50 Ghor wrote:
/in

I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP.

But phrase no in OP ((( sorry

On April 01 2013 00:47 Hapahauli wrote:
It's sunday here :3

Starting tonight @ 07:00 TL Time.

On April 02 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, but policy-lynching them? That seems a little over-the-top in a 9 player game. Policy-lynching anyone in a 9 player game just seems like a bad idea. It's certainly something to factor in, but not killing someone over. In my experience, townies are more likely to lolhammer than scum are. Scum are generally much more careful in how they vote and if they hammer someone are much more likely to explain why thoroughly.

I don't support your policy.

On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Blah blah blah policy blah blah



Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town.

Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now.

On April 02 2013 08:04 Sylencia wrote:
Hello everyone, I hoped this would start over the Easter weekend but looks like I have to cut some Monster Hunter time for this instead :{



With regards to point 2, I thought that Instant Majority lynch is supposed to shy away from throwing votes around carelessly? Well, that depends on what you mean about throwing votes around..

On April 02 2013 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Be sensible about your hammer vote and explain it yada yada yada. You're policy lynch proposal is bullshit, because half the thread wouldn't follow through with it. How someone goes about voting and hammering is what should be looked at, not just "lol he emotionally hammered the townzorz must be scum"

Listen to the Mafia scumcast (Hapa had a bunch of stuff to say about British II in it pertaining to instant majority). Has a bunch of goodies in it.

On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote:


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So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ?

On April 02 2013 11:07 risk.nuke wrote:
Viscera. Tunneling isn't about time, it's about not having an open mind. You lashed out at me instantly and agressively for the smallest thing so clearly you're looking at me as if I am scum and are trying to find things things that are scummy about me to confirm that belief. Aka tunneling.

You want REAL scummy shit. Everyone that's not posting are scummier then those who are posting.
For 2, I personally think Hopeless1der look very uninterested in finding scum.

On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\

On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.

On April 03 2013 00:10 Sylencia wrote:


In addition, how is his statement about accuracy there that relevant to what happened before it? Are you suggesting that he said it to set up a bus on his buddy, then you're saying that he did that to say RoL is scum, then retract it? I don't even understand what you're getting at here.

And at this point, no, he's played enough games where I don't see him making himself look suspicious 3 hours into the game. The case on him has its merits however I would rather first see more from the two I've heard least from today (Hopeless and CC) - moreso Hopeless because there's ever so slightly more from CC.

Ghor - now that I've said it what are your thoughts on risk then? Would you say he is scum or not? Would you end up backing a vote on him if the time came for it?

On April 03 2013 00:42 Sylencia wrote:
In any case ##unvote as I'm going to sleep now, but what Ghor is saying is becoming ridiculously stupid since he says risk is scum but doesn't want to have him killed. If you don't want your scum read to be killed what the hell do you want?

If I wake up and this stupidity continues I won't hesitate to vote Ghor.

On April 03 2013 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch.

On April 03 2013 04:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not a case, it's an observation that can be summed up as "Sylencia's read of CC has changed from lynchable to unvoting with CC not saying anything in between". I can see a town Sylencia becoming less and less sure of his read without help from CC, that's not scum indicative and it's your only point.

Why does his read change have to be scum motivated?

On April 03 2013 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
here`s my question, considering people accuse me of being a hypocrite. Do you think I`m just trying to be disruptive or that I`m trying to save sylencia? It should be a minimum of one of those, right?

On April 03 2013 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
I feel like he got caught with his pants down trying to tiptoe around a risk.nuke lynch. He was indirectly supporting the risk.nuke wagon without adding his vote. Regardless of risk.nuke's alignment, that's a suspicious action out of Hopeless. If at the time he felt like risk.nuke was scum (which his whole association BS is supposing) then there's no reason for him to be indirectly supporting the wagon while trying to start a counter-wagon on someone else.

On April 03 2013 22:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

Hes a trolly jerkface who insulted my literacy skills. Also, relatively insistent that risk.nuke is scum, but wont hammer in order to find the "other scum". Upon finding said scum (sylencia), doesn't want to hammer risk.nuke anymore. Granted, I'm sailing the same boat but whatever..

On April 03 2013 22:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

I always look scummy, you're the one who's been defending me on that concept.

On April 03 2013 22:20 Sylencia wrote:


The read disappeared when CC came back? I told you my point on him was that he left a vote and disappeared, he's come back, he's made points and he's not that high on my radar at the moment.

To your other questions, scum don't necessarily apply bad logic, they would more likely use actions others have done to justify something they didn't intend to do, run with it and hope it convinces enough people. So it's not really logic that I'm talking about there, just twisting other's actions would probably make for a better course of action. The problem I'd see with scum wanting to use logic is that it's easily backtracked and exposed, and that's why I don't see it being used as much of a point of attack as scum.

On April 04 2013 00:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Why the hell are you defending Hopeless so hard, Lazer?



It's funny you mention my and VE's vote for Hopeless. We are voting him for the exact same reasons. We pushed him at the same time. I have no idea why you like VE's reasons better, because they are the same.

You think Hopeless is a 'decent lynch' but hard-defend the guy. In order for him to be a decent lynch you must have some sort of scum read on him --- and then proceed to contradict yourself by calling him town via meta. Then you say it's not even concrete evidence...

What the heck is your stance on Hopeless? You seem nervous about him flipping.

On April 04 2013 05:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Where did i call syl scum, you're delusional.

On April 04 2013 05:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Syl isnt as scummy as Hopeless. The evidence against Syl boils down to his stance on me which can be explained by either alignment easily.

I just wish he would vote and take a stance. Other than that I don't think he's so scummy. I played a newbie with him and he was just the same as town; best mislynch eu. In fact, he seems like a really easy target to call scum.

Apologies, at work on phone illegally.

On April 04 2013 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pseudo-around.

I'm coming around to the idea of a Sylencia lynch tbh. You wanna try and nudge me over the edge?

On April 04 2013 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't understand this, why would scum do that normally?

On April 04 2013 05:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
*Sigh* argue all the syntax and diction you want, its not productive. My point remains.

On April 04 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
And you're not convincing me of lynching Sylencia by convincing me to NOT lynch Hopeless. Try again. Give me a reason to prefer Sylencia OVER Hopeless.

On April 04 2013 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote:

While he's gone Lazer, how about you tell me what you think of his case on Cheese? He seemed pretty sure that Cheese should be the lynch, and if he's gone for the lynch he'll undoubtedly be furious that we didn't jump onboard. If you're so interested in what RoL has to say, why not comment on what he's said?

On April 05 2013 04:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Lazer, can you give me some original thoughts on someone besides RoL?

On April 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:

Thats not even close to what I said.

On April 04 2013 22:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: risk.nuke

His play has been to spam down anything that suggests he's scum. He claims to be one of the more active players, but my filter is just about as long as his. Instead of trying to push my lynch at deadline, he sits on his hands and refers to VE as the decision maker. Attempts to voteswitch last minute with the only reason being consolidation. No scumread on sylencia, but he's willing to let me slide for a day? Me voting sylencia makes sense as it was self preservation. Risk voting sylencia right at the last minute makes sense to avoid a no-lynch, but he didn't even try to push for my lynch and refuses to substantiate how "this isn't town Hopeless".

On April 05 2013 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
No where do I suggest that a No-Lynch is a good idea. The apathy with which he was willing to vote Sylencia is my problem

On April 05 2013 04:48 Hopeless1der wrote:

No, because you werent advocating my lynch all day with arguments such as



risk doesn't give a shit who got lynched, as long as it wasnt him.

On April 05 2013 05:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Lazer

How the fudge can you have a town read on Ghor? He just tried to condemn 3 people for sheeping his own Syl case.

On April 05 2013 05:10 Hopeless1der wrote:

risk didn't push me. You pushed sylencia. Do you not see a difference in the way you and risk have played, because I see one.

On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.

Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.

And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.

Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?

On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.

My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.

Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.

My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.

Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.

The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.

On April 05 2013 05:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Are you that stupid? Where pre-lynch was Ghor my scumread hmmm? I guess tunneling a townie with your buddy Ghor over there is much much better, and then blame it on the guys who actually wanted to lynch Hopeless because you were too stubborn to switch over.

Nice soft town claim btw.

On April 05 2013 23:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hey Lazer, got a minute to talk? I need to shine my mind-control beams through your eyes some more.

What do you think about Risk in the past few pages?

On April 06 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


This is fucking weird because Risk is suspicious, but for almost none of the reasons Ghor points out. I think Ghor is scummy as all hell for the reasons Risk brings up, but I think Risk might be scum because he literally pawned me off on VE to pressure, and then frame VE when I flip.

I think that Ghor's pressure on Risk is unjustified because he's bringing up things that didn't strike me as scummy rather than the stuff that did. . .

On April 06 2013 00:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
To clarify:

VE expressed concern about me. Risk voted me, and then pissed off the entire time me and VE were having our shouting match. It's like he wanted to drive my mislynch and not be responsible. VE would have been the culprit in this case.

On April 06 2013 01:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm curious. This whole time I saw on D1 that everyone was demanding a lynch, but I never saw an analysis of the benefits of a no lynch.

On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.

This is all assuming no medic protections.

On April 06 2013 01:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lazer, you just sheeped me / risk on Ghor and then vote me.

Wut.

So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then?

On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.

On April 07 2013 05:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
both RoL and I have zero votes on us. Explain to me how I'm responsible for playing the game for you. The fact that people are A) willing to do nothing until we return and
B) wont vote us in the interim
suggests to me that RoL is town. Ghor has made perfect sense regarding what he finds suspicious about risk.nuke. Lazer, you made some reference to ghor is trying to cover up a lie.

Can you clarify what was going on here, because I thought ghor was going after risk, and you seemed concerned about CC for some reason.

On April 08 2013 05:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE isn't a good lynch today.

The only way i see VE being scum is with Ghor or perhaps lazer. Either way, i dont think VE is scum. I didnt get a scum feelkng from when he did he little tunnel on me

Ghor or Risk is the best lynch. Preferably Ghor <3 dat bias.

@lazer: you had a scumread on RoL and are now voting with him? trollololol?

On April 08 2013 15:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really just really really wanna kill Cheese. Is that so wrong? IS THAT SO WRONG?!

##Unvote
##Vote: Mr.Cheesecake

On April 09 2013 02:02 Ghor wrote:


I'm currently rereading the whole thread and half through. I see a lot of potentially scummy stuff, that's the problem.
Currently I'm at the part where Axle pressures hopeless: www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18187743
and I'm considering his scumread of hopeless together with the fact that Axle was NKd, which would usually be a weird choice, but he wanted to kill hopeless.

Lazer can you dig through that part as well and give me an opinion of hopeless? He actually did lots of scummy stuff early and most of his risk case, shortly after Axle's case is pretty laughable imo.

On April 09 2013 02:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
LM what is your preference between risk and CC?

On April 08 2013 09:12 Ghor wrote:
RoL, why do I just have no idea what your alignment is? I went through Bang Bang, Storm Mafia, LVIII. Were you town in BB and SM?

Can you give me an opinion on Lazermonkey and what you think of him being the only one calling you lynch bait when everyone else has no fucking clue or thinks you're scum?

On April 09 2013 02:42 Ghor wrote:
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I've seen scum play obviously anti-town or "too scummy to be scum" as well. That defense is a little wifomy. Check out Dandel Ion in British Mafia II, he was trolling and not giving a fuck about the game all day.

We need to find out who's actually disinterested in finding scum. Who looks too sure too quickly about his reads.Who wants to hammer fast. Who's only active when under pressure.

If scum plays well they can simulate these points but given that the thread was so dead I don't think they have felt the need to put much effort into the game unless you poke them with threats. And that's what we should be doing now.

On April 09 2013 03:00 Ghor wrote:
You have VE as scumread, shouldn't it make you skeptical that he only soft-pushed hopeless during D1 while seeking for reasons to switch to sylencia?



Opinions please?

On April 09 2013 03:06 Ghor wrote:
Lazer, you asked me my preference between risk and CC earlier, can you give me your own opinion on the two?

On April 09 2013 03:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I agree with the first part.

The second part not so much. Okay so VE hard-pushed Hopeless. Hopeless flips scum. How does that make VE look bad?

On April 09 2013 03:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


And he called out his buddy with me and got him to L-1 if I'm correct?

On April 09 2013 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
kill VE

On April 09 2013 05:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lazer you're the only guy that never thought, from what i can recall, that risk is scum. Have you even interacted with him this game?

On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds.

On April 10 2013 21:02 marvellosity wrote:


Town were so off with their reads because of all the lurking, you see.